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Post by madhatter on Nov 14, 2021 1:35:20 GMT -5
Soo for the new arc we all know mistystars finally gonna flop down and die andd i really hope we get a redscar situation when the deputy and leader die around the same time because its such a interesting and pretty underused idea and it would put the arc to a sharp bang, plus due to the protag being a med cat the cat who must make the choice
plus due to the new series seemingly being based on politics this seems like a very fitting situation
I wonder who would be deputy? im hoping for minnowtail shes old enough and has a good number of apprentices and is a somewhat active role, plus out of all of riverclan shes like one of the few i know in general, plus shes proven to be a very capable warrior
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Nov 14, 2021 2:22:30 GMT -5
i'm not caught up with the series at all but yes minnowtail pls
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Post by cable on Nov 14, 2021 2:25:34 GMT -5
i want either minnowtail or icewing
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 14, 2021 2:45:40 GMT -5
minnowtail and icewing are so overrated (overrated within the FANDOM. these 2 the only ones majority of fans bring up and im annoyed by this. there's other background cats if people just paid attention and read on the wiki about others...).
plus, by post TBC time, they are considered very old. icewing showed up as a queen in the sight, and minnowtail was born in TNP...idk why people keep wanting these old cats as deputies and leaders.
lizardtail, brackenpelt (and her brothers jayclaw and owlnose), and havenpelt, shimmerpelt, are way better options. they are in the inbetween age: not too old but also not too young. i want any of them and no one else. i'd hate for stupid overrated minnowtail or icewing to be deputy or leader and continue to overstay their welcome. cats from the first 3 arcs need to go already. OotS era cats should be senior warriors by now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 2:52:53 GMT -5
fogpaw simply because the name fogstar is super cool
she could probably mentor one of frostpaw’s siblings, plus I think going from a super SUPER old leader to a young and potentially inexperienced leader would be fun
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Post by crowspirit on Nov 14, 2021 3:00:44 GMT -5
I really like the idea that Mistystar, Reedwhisker and Mothwing all die and a not fully trained Frostpaw has to choose a new leader. I think it would be really interesting if she befriends a warrior who has no leadership qualities and then chooses them because of their connection and because she's under so much stress. Frostpaw trying to support this leader – her friend – through all of this, when no cat believes in them, would be quite nice to read.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Nov 14, 2021 4:05:49 GMT -5
Shimmerpelt, Brackenpelt or Jayclaw.
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Post by Fernsong on Nov 14, 2021 5:29:03 GMT -5
As much as it's random, I would like Sneezecloud as deputy/leader for no other reason than the name Sneezestar is funny to me, even though I know Sneezecloud hasn't had an apprentice
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Nov 14, 2021 7:59:52 GMT -5
I'm rooting for Shimmerpelt or Jayclaw, but i also wouldn't mind Minnowtail.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Nov 14, 2021 8:00:08 GMT -5
minnowtail and icewing are so overrated (overrated within the FANDOM. these 2 the only ones majority of fans bring up and im annoyed by this. there's other background cats if people just paid attention and read on the wiki about others...). plus, by post TBC time, they are considered very old. icewing showed up as a queen in the sight, and minnowtail was born in TNP...idk why people keep wanting these old cats as deputies and leaders. lizardtail, brackenpelt (and her brothers jayclaw and owlnose), and havenpelt, shimmerpelt, are way better options. they are in the inbetween age: not too old but also not too young. i want any of them and no one else. i'd hate for stupid overrated minnowtail or icewing to be deputy or leader and continue to overstay their welcome. cats from the first 3 arcs need to go already. OotS era cats should be senior warriors by now. Some of us don't base it on age but qualifications. Just because some cats are younger doesn't mean they're the perfect option. If anything, that's exactly how you get a cat to overstay their welcome. We'll be tired of them by next arc.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 14, 2021 9:05:33 GMT -5
When I was younger, in the fairs set up at school there were always these lottery games. There were a bunch of identical candies or marbles, and whoever picked the right one would win a prize. I always hated that game, found it pointless. The marbles and candies all looked the same anyway, so it all just felt like a game of dumb luck.
My point in this story is that Riverclan has so little in the way of characters with any level of characterization that I find it impossible to get remotely invested in who the next leader will be. What I WILL be incredibly invested in though is seeing the people who are convinced that these background characters have such well-defined personalities realizing that they can be characterized pretty much any way and it wouldn't matter due to how much of their supposed personality is really just headcanon.
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Post by cygna on Nov 14, 2021 9:35:34 GMT -5
Lizardtail & Minnowtail would be a yes for me.
Literally any RC cat except Reedwhisker would be okay as leader for me.
God I just hope my bby Harelight gets to be important. I don't know why but I love him.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 14, 2021 9:40:19 GMT -5
Sneezestar! No reason other than his name sounds so funny.
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Post by flipwish on Nov 14, 2021 10:56:16 GMT -5
I want Sneezestar too he's a funny name guy and that's the most important thing is names.
If I had to pick from the popular choices though I'd pick icewing because I really hate the names minnowstar and lizardstar. pls die or retire instead of being deputy you two <3
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 14, 2021 12:48:03 GMT -5
Icewing, Minnowtail, Lizardtail or Jayclaw.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 14, 2021 13:39:57 GMT -5
minnowtail and icewing are so overrated (overrated within the FANDOM. these 2 the only ones majority of fans bring up and im annoyed by this. there's other background cats if people just paid attention and read on the wiki about others...). plus, by post TBC time, they are considered very old. icewing showed up as a queen in the sight, and minnowtail was born in TNP...idk why people keep wanting these old cats as deputies and leaders. lizardtail, brackenpelt (and her brothers jayclaw and owlnose), and havenpelt, shimmerpelt, are way better options. they are in the inbetween age: not too old but also not too young. i want any of them and no one else. i'd hate for stupid overrated minnowtail or icewing to be deputy or leader and continue to overstay their welcome. cats from the first 3 arcs need to go already. OotS era cats should be senior warriors by now. Some of us don't base it on age but qualifications. Just because some cats are younger doesn't mean they're the perfect option. If anything, that's exactly how you get a cat to overstay their welcome. We'll be tired of them by next arc. just because a cat is older doesnt mean they're the perfect option either? like it goes both ways. im just sick of seeing the same two names over and over. idk why this fandom wants to put minnowtail and icewing on a pedestal all the time. i want all cats from the first 3 arcs gone. they should have started doing it already but since they havent, more and more old cats r gonna pile up and overshadow the newer gens. i complain about this all the time lol
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 14, 2021 14:02:24 GMT -5
Some of us don't base it on age but qualifications. Just because some cats are younger doesn't mean they're the perfect option. If anything, that's exactly how you get a cat to overstay their welcome. We'll be tired of them by next arc. just because a cat is older doesnt mean they're the perfect option either? like it goes both ways. im just sick of seeing the same two names over and over. idk why this fandom wants to put minnowtail and icewing on a pedestal all the time. i want all cats from the first 3 arcs gone. they should have started doing it already but since they havent, more and more old cats r gonna pile up and overshadow the newer gens. i complain about this all the time lol What difference does it make in Riverclan when the newer generations are just as non-existent as the older generations? I can at least understand this argument for Thunderclan (even if I don't agree with it), but it makes no sense in Riverclan. You're acting like Minnowtail and Icewing are stealing away screentime from younger Riverclan cats, but I know I couldn't tell you a single thing about them, not even their genders, because of how irrelevant they are. Riverclan is not suffering from an age-related problem of importance, their problem is entirely one of being unimportant relative to other clans
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 14, 2021 16:35:25 GMT -5
just because a cat is older doesnt mean they're the perfect option either? like it goes both ways. im just sick of seeing the same two names over and over. idk why this fandom wants to put minnowtail and icewing on a pedestal all the time. i want all cats from the first 3 arcs gone. they should have started doing it already but since they havent, more and more old cats r gonna pile up and overshadow the newer gens. i complain about this all the time lol What difference does it make in Riverclan when the newer generations are just as non-existent as the older generations? I can at least understand this argument for Thunderclan (even if I don't agree with it), but it makes no sense in Riverclan. You're acting like Minnowtail and Icewing are stealing away screentime from younger Riverclan cats, but I know I couldn't tell you a single thing about them, not even their genders, because of how irrelevant they are. Riverclan is not suffering from an age-related problem of importance, their problem is entirely one of being unimportant relative to other clans because older cats keep overstaying their welcome, no matter what clan they are in. minnowtail and icewing have had how many arcs now to do anything of importance, meanwhile the younger cats are more fresh and can be written to do more things to establish themselves. minnowtail is only relevant because she talked to mousewhisker as an apprentice. icewing has done nothing but train in the dark forest with her child. both of them have had too much time to do more but havent (in my eyes). younger cats are better than older cats who have stayed around and havent been shown doing anything with all the time they were given. idk why people keep focusing on older cats when younger cats SHOULD be getting more and doing more...the writers arent helping and keep prolonging this problem by not killing off old cats when they should be. edit: idk how better to explain what i mean. i'll try again. the fans only focus on old cats like minnow and ice. showing the writers they dont care about new cats. thus the new cats dont get screentime or mentions in the books. prolonging the problem of older cats staying around longer and longer. this makes the cycle of new cats not getting personalities or things to do, thus people continue to not care or pay them attention, etc. etc. do u see the problem with this yet?
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 14, 2021 16:47:54 GMT -5
What difference does it make in Riverclan when the newer generations are just as non-existent as the older generations? I can at least understand this argument for Thunderclan (even if I don't agree with it), but it makes no sense in Riverclan. You're acting like Minnowtail and Icewing are stealing away screentime from younger Riverclan cats, but I know I couldn't tell you a single thing about them, not even their genders, because of how irrelevant they are. Riverclan is not suffering from an age-related problem of importance, their problem is entirely one of being unimportant relative to other clans because older cats keep overstaying their welcome, no matter what clan they are in. minnowtail and icewing have had how many arcs now to do anything of importance, meanwhile the younger cats are more fresh and can be written to do more things to establish themselves. minnowtail is only relevant because she talked to mousewhisker as an apprentice. icewing has done nothing but train in the dark forest with her child. both of them have had too much time to do more but havent (in my eyes). younger cats are better than older cats who have stayed around and havent been shown doing anything with all the time they were given. idk why people keep focusing on older cats when younger cats SHOULD be getting more and doing more...the writers arent helping and keep prolonging this problem by not killing off old cats when they should be. edit: idk how better to explain what i mean. i'll try again. the fans only focus on old cats like minnow and ice. showing the writers they dont care about new cats. thus the new cats dont get screentime or mentions in the books. prolonging the problem of older cats staying around longer and longer. this makes the cycle of new cats not getting personalities or things to do, thus people continue to not care or pay them attention, etc. etc. do u see the problem with this yet? "More fresh" But they haven't done anything yet. You keep acting like it's some simple truth that younger cats are fresher, but how can a character be fresh if it's done nothing? I get the impression that you just want to have young cats be more important, but why? I can get wanting someone like Mistystar who has been alive an obscenely long time to die, but Minnowtail and Icewing are only middle aged really, so there's no real reason they should be an issue. You're making the argument that it somehow prevents young cats from getting personalities, but none of Riverclan has any personality anyway so getting personalities for their middle aged cats is just as fresh as for younger ones.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 14, 2021 17:04:05 GMT -5
because older cats keep overstaying their welcome, no matter what clan they are in. minnowtail and icewing have had how many arcs now to do anything of importance, meanwhile the younger cats are more fresh and can be written to do more things to establish themselves. minnowtail is only relevant because she talked to mousewhisker as an apprentice. icewing has done nothing but train in the dark forest with her child. both of them have had too much time to do more but havent (in my eyes). younger cats are better than older cats who have stayed around and havent been shown doing anything with all the time they were given. idk why people keep focusing on older cats when younger cats SHOULD be getting more and doing more...the writers arent helping and keep prolonging this problem by not killing off old cats when they should be. edit: idk how better to explain what i mean. i'll try again. the fans only focus on old cats like minnow and ice. showing the writers they dont care about new cats. thus the new cats dont get screentime or mentions in the books. prolonging the problem of older cats staying around longer and longer. this makes the cycle of new cats not getting personalities or things to do, thus people continue to not care or pay them attention, etc. etc. do u see the problem with this yet? "More fresh" But they haven't done anything yet. You keep acting like it's some simple truth that younger cats are fresher, but how can a character be fresh if it's done nothing? I get the impression that you just want to have young cats be more important, but why? I can get wanting someone like Mistystar who has been alive an obscenely long time to die, but Minnowtail and Icewing are only middle aged really, so there's no real reason they should be an issue. You're making the argument that it somehow prevents young cats from getting personalities, but none of Riverclan has any personality anyway so getting personalities for their middle aged cats is just as fresh as for younger ones. agree to disagree. u're not understanding what im saying. there is a cycle that prevents the younger cats to GET personality and screentime. thats the whole point. if u dont get what im trying to say, then i dont wanna go in a circle with u.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 14, 2021 17:44:29 GMT -5
I just still would prefer and want Reedstar, even if it’s only a short leadership, simply because of Riverclan’s 0 spotlight, at least Reedwhisker got some content in AvOS that showed his bravery, refusal to back down from Darktail without a good fight first, and his characterizations in youth from Leopardstar’s SE. Honestly, I could not care less about a cat’s age when it comes to leadership, seeing as I loved Graystripe leading Thunderclan temporarily, and I know nothing or care very little about cats like Minnowtail, Icewing, Brackenpelt and Jayclaw. The only other cat I’d be rooting for is Shimmerpelt, but that’s literally because I just like the name.
I’m in a very small minority but I don’t care. I actually would like Reedstar.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 14, 2021 18:07:34 GMT -5
I still want Reedstar just because actually had some character moments in AVOS. I like him a lot and I'd love to see him as leader. He's really interesting to me.
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Post by madhatter on Nov 15, 2021 10:22:04 GMT -5
minnowtail and icewing are so overrated (overrated within the FANDOM. these 2 the only ones majority of fans bring up and im annoyed by this. there's other background cats if people just paid attention and read on the wiki about others...). plus, by post TBC time, they are considered very old. icewing showed up as a queen in the sight, and minnowtail was born in TNP...idk why people keep wanting these old cats as deputies and leaders. lizardtail, brackenpelt (and her brothers jayclaw and owlnose), and havenpelt, shimmerpelt, are way better options. they are in the inbetween age: not too old but also not too young. i want any of them and no one else. i'd hate for stupid overrated minnowtail or icewing to be deputy or leader and continue to overstay their welcome. cats from the first 3 arcs need to go already. OotS era cats should be senior warriors by now. Ohh thats fair i guess minnowtail seemed a bit younger due to me just reading the new prophecy for the first time and liking this dumb little baby who accidently poisons their whole clan, i would like shimmerpelt out of your list as shes a mean she-cat although a really young warrior would make a good plot choice i like to imagine this cat getting way to overwhelmed by their responsibility's
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Post by madhatter on Nov 15, 2021 10:28:52 GMT -5
As much as it's random, I would like Sneezecloud as deputy/leader for no other reason than the name Sneezestar is funny to me, even though I know Sneezecloud hasn't had an apprentice Honestly with frostpaws litter they can use it for handing them a app or just pull a bramblestar
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Post by madhatter on Nov 15, 2021 10:32:59 GMT -5
i keep reading the title as mistystars death ray. if she cant live forever then no one can "a Frostkit?" *frostkit upgrades to frostpaw* "FROSTPAW THE MEDICINE APPRENTICE"
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Post by Flamefrost on Nov 15, 2021 12:01:47 GMT -5
Shimmerpelt suprisingly has tons of consistent character building. Shes fiercely loyal, territorial, and traditional. Shes outspoken, but also doesn't resort to petty insult like most cats do. Also, Shimmerstar is a super pretty name. I don't think she'd make for a "good" leader, but a very interesting one.
Also I usually wouldn't care but I hope the next leader is a she cat, for the simple fact that we're currently looking at almost entirely male leader group. The two female deputies are under 2 cats who just wont die (Bramble and Tiger2), and the two female leaders are getting VERY old.
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Post by madhatter on Nov 15, 2021 21:01:44 GMT -5
Shimmerpelt suprisingly has tons of consistent character building. Shes fiercely loyal, territorial, and traditional. Shes outspoken, but also doesn't resort to petty insult like most cats do. Also, Shimmerstar is a super pretty name. I don't think she'd make for a "good" leader, but a very interesting one. Also I usually wouldn't care but I hope the next leader is a she cat, for the simple fact that we're currently looking at almost entirely male leader group. The two female deputies are under 2 cats who just wont die (Bramble and Tiger2), and the two female leaders are getting VERY old. Yeah i will totally be up with that
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 16, 2021 11:15:48 GMT -5
Younger me would’ve loved Reedstar. I remember really liking him for some reason.
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