Aroace
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Villain Enjoyer
Taking a break from the forums because my cat died. Will probably be back mid to late October.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Nov 10, 2021 10:58:42 GMT -5
Okay, now I'm mad. Why the heck is Frecklewish in the Dark Forest when the two characters who are actually responsible for Mapleshade's kits having to leave camp (getting exiled) and subsequently drowning, get to chill out in StarClan? Oakstar deserves to go down as well if his daughter is in the place for evil cats and Ravenwing can join him there too!
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 10, 2021 21:01:50 GMT -5
i'm no fan of frecklewish, but the fact that she's in the dark forest and oakstar isn't just proves how corrupt this judging system is. at least ravenwing's not being in the dark forest could be attributed towards starlan being biased towards medicine cats, but there's really no explanation for oakstar. this probably means frecklewish and mapleshade have met in the dark forest at least a few times. i wonder how that turned out? Starclan placement seems to be determined by how long you live after your bad deed. Since Oakstar lived for many, many more moons - he got time to show his remorse. Frecklewish died right away after the bad stuff she did. Another similar case is Juniperclaw, who died shortly after his actions despite actually feeling regret. Though, that doesn't explain Mudclaw. Unless they just gave him a pass because the Tallstar thing was iffy. I'm pretty sure Mapleshade would have killed Frecklewish on sight though if they ran into each other
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 10, 2021 21:16:06 GMT -5
i'm no fan of frecklewish, but the fact that she's in the dark forest and oakstar isn't just proves how corrupt this judging system is. at least ravenwing's not being in the dark forest could be attributed towards starlan being biased towards medicine cats, but there's really no explanation for oakstar. this probably means frecklewish and mapleshade have met in the dark forest at least a few times. i wonder how that turned out? Starclan placement seems to be determined by how long you live after your bad deed. Since Oakstar lived for many, many more moons - he got time to show his remorse. Frecklewish died right away after the bad stuff she did. Another similar case is Juniperclaw, who died shortly after his actions despite actually feeling regret. Though, that doesn't explain Mudclaw. Unless they just gave him a pass because the Tallstar thing was iffy. I'm pretty sure Mapleshade would have killed Frecklewish on sight though if they ran into each other i was gonna bring up Mudclaw. don't understand how a cat who tried to mutiny and murder his leader based on misguided good intentions is somehow more okay than a cat whose misguided good intentions indirectly lead to innocent death that she didn't intend. honestly part of the reason i dont like TBC is because they kept watering down the atrocities of DF cats. originally every DF we met was in there for a truly terrible crime, like mapleshade (who murdered three innocent cats and relished it), brokenstar (war crimes and patricide), tigerstar (bloody tyrant), darkstripe (attempted kit murder and general slimeyness) and so on. the general theme was very bad crimes coupled with lack of regret. now we suddenly have cats in there for pretty weak reasons that we'd never witnessed before. it's such a weird route to take the lore.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 10, 2021 21:22:41 GMT -5
Starclan placement seems to be determined by how long you live after your bad deed. Since Oakstar lived for many, many more moons - he got time to show his remorse. Frecklewish died right away after the bad stuff she did. Another similar case is Juniperclaw, who died shortly after his actions despite actually feeling regret. Though, that doesn't explain Mudclaw. Unless they just gave him a pass because the Tallstar thing was iffy. I'm pretty sure Mapleshade would have killed Frecklewish on sight though if they ran into each other i was gonna bring up Mudclaw. don't understand how a cat who tried to mutiny and murder his leader based on misguided good intentions is somehow more okay than a cat whose misguided good intentions indirectly lead to innocent death that she didn't intend. honestly part of the reason i dont like TBC is because they kept watering down the atrocities of DF cats. originally every DF we met was in there for a truly terrible crime, like mapleshade (who murdered three innocent cats and relished it), brokenstar (war crimes and patricide), tigerstar (bloody tyrant), darkstripe (attempted kit murder and general slimeyness) and so on. the general theme was very bad crimes coupled with lack of regret. now we suddenly have cats in there for pretty weak reasons that we'd never witnessed before. it's such a weird route to take the lore. I don't think they're necessarily weak reasons?
Maggottail tried to overthrow his leader, Silverhawk tried to get his son as leader through violent means, Redwillow fought on the side of the DF during the great battle
And I get Juniperclaw. He did try to poison an entire clan. The issue with his is that if Ashfur and Mudclaw went to Starclan, he should have too given he's shown to be sorry at the time of his death. Then again...Starclan also seriously contemplated sending LEAFPOOL to the DF. So they seem to choose arbitrarily. Ashfur helps take a leader's life AND attempts to murder 3 kids? We'll give him a chance Leafpool, who had a forbidden relationship but was also a competent medicine cat who constantly helped the clans? We're going to interrogate her like she murdered someone. I just want consistency. If Frecklewish goes to the DF, Ashfur and Mudclaw should be there too
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 10, 2021 21:44:27 GMT -5
If there is in fact a Starclan court judging each case, then it's entirely possible it might just come down to your jury really, really sucking for some of these edge cases or else being very biased towards you. Mudclaw in particular had Tallstar himself, one of the ones most slighted by him, vouching for him, which is pretty powerful testimony to help his case. I think this system is kind of effed up, but that's the sin of Squirrelflight's Hope, not TBC. Frankly, Rootspring's rant about how unfair it is with Starclan picking and choosing seemingly at random and with arrogant cruelty makes it seem like the series is at least partially aware of how ridiculous this system is
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 10, 2021 21:52:52 GMT -5
So, I think I've figured it out. Look at Frecklewish's last scene before she's attacked. It's possible the rules simply hadn't been established yet, but I do think it's worth noting that Quick Water confessed to her crime and saw the error of her ways right before she died and we can assume the same was true for Willow Tail as well, even if she didn't apologize like Quick Water did. Even Mudclaw showed remorse just before he died. Frecklewish however presumably died with hatred in her heart. So if we go with this logic, it's possible that at the time of death, Juniperclaw regretted how things turned out, but he didn't regret trying to drive out SkyClan or the crime was too great for StarClan to forgive if that makes sense. His last words are probably telling: "Tell Tigerstar I'm sorry."
Not "Tell Leafstar/SkyClan I'm sorry."
Even in his final moments, he's more concerned with ShadowClan. Then again, there's also Ashfur, so never mind, this doesn't work, either, unless he actually did have regrets at the time of his death and Hollyleaf killing him allowed for that bitterness to return. There's also the fact that they contemplated sending Squirrelflight and Leafpool to the Dark Forest, something we can all agree was stupid, but then again, neither of these cats had any regrets either, despite their actions having caused so much trouble down the line, so I think that also has something to do with it too.
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Post by Fireleap on Nov 11, 2021 10:10:40 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority, because I think it's justified.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 11, 2021 13:16:25 GMT -5
well I guess this means its confirmed Frecklewish was happy they died?
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Post by seantheskyhunter on Nov 11, 2021 14:34:19 GMT -5
I can't believe that my old headcanon about Frecklewish going to DF is now true. Also they brought back Stumpytail and Clawface.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 15:46:38 GMT -5
Okay but why Stumpytail
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 11, 2021 16:07:18 GMT -5
Stumpytail is such a minor background character that it's hard to know for certain. Maybe he fought for BloodClan? TDH did state that there were ShC who decided to fight for BC, though Jaggedtooth was the only cat named.
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flipwish
when do we get more hairless warrior cats
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Post by flipwish on Nov 11, 2021 17:26:09 GMT -5
my hot new headcanon is that Frecklewish isn't faded btw. She didn't get double killed by Mapleshade because she put on a fake mustache and introduced herself as Wrecklefish instead to avoid extra Mapleshade Vengeance
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 11, 2021 18:59:06 GMT -5
If there is in fact a Starclan court judging each case, then it's entirely possible it might just come down to your jury really, really sucking for some of these edge cases or else being very biased towards you. Mudclaw in particular had Tallstar himself, one of the ones most slighted by him, vouching for him, which is pretty powerful testimony to help his case. I think this system is kind of effed up, but that's the sin of Squirrelflight's Hope, not TBC. Frankly, Rootspring's rant about how unfair it is with Starclan picking and choosing seemingly at random and with arrogant cruelty makes it seem like the series is at least partially aware of how ridiculous this system is That's the only thing that would make sense. Leafpool and Squirrelflight were vouched for pretty heavily by Yellowfang, who seems to have some major sway. Though, now I want to see more of these judgment scenes. I wonder who Frecklewish came up against. Maybe the kits who had previously died and got their full names in Starclan? The queens who spoke up against kits under a certain age fighting? I also wouldn't be surprised if Juniperclaw was up against Skystar...who would be inherently biased against him.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 11, 2021 19:19:44 GMT -5
If there is in fact a Starclan court judging each case, then it's entirely possible it might just come down to your jury really, really sucking for some of these edge cases or else being very biased towards you. Mudclaw in particular had Tallstar himself, one of the ones most slighted by him, vouching for him, which is pretty powerful testimony to help his case. I think this system is kind of effed up, but that's the sin of Squirrelflight's Hope, not TBC. Frankly, Rootspring's rant about how unfair it is with Starclan picking and choosing seemingly at random and with arrogant cruelty makes it seem like the series is at least partially aware of how ridiculous this system is That's the only thing that would make sense. Leafpool and Squirrelflight were vouched for pretty heavily by Yellowfang, who seems to have some major sway. Though, now I want to see more of these judgment scenes. I wonder who Frecklewish came up against. Maybe the kits who had previously died and got their full names in Starclan? The queens who spoke up against kits under a certain age fighting? I also wouldn't be surprised if Juniperclaw was up against Skystar...who would be inherently biased against him. I think it's unlikely they'd put your own "victim" up on the stage to possibly judge you, although Frecklewish might actually be out of luck there since she is JUST removed enough that it could probably be done in such a way that they wouldn't count as her victims but obviously still resent her. The queens who spoke up against underage kits fighting is another good idea as one where she might get a bit of a raw deal. It seems like the nightmare scenario in these Starclan councils is ending up being judged by someone who founded the codes you broke, as they will be the harshest critics it seems.
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Post by cable on Nov 11, 2021 19:28:06 GMT -5
That's the only thing that would make sense. Leafpool and Squirrelflight were vouched for pretty heavily by Yellowfang, who seems to have some major sway. Though, now I want to see more of these judgment scenes. I wonder who Frecklewish came up against. Maybe the kits who had previously died and got their full names in Starclan? The queens who spoke up against kits under a certain age fighting? I also wouldn't be surprised if Juniperclaw was up against Skystar...who would be inherently biased against him. I think it's unlikely they'd put your own "victim" up on the stage to possibly judge you, although Frecklewish might actually be out of luck there since she is JUST removed enough that it could probably be done in such a way that they wouldn't count as her victims but obviously still resent her. The queens who spoke up against underage kits fighting is another good idea as one where she might get a bit of a raw deal. It seems like the nightmare scenario in these Starclan councils is ending up being judged by someone who founded the codes you broke, as they will be the harshest critics it seems. maybe riverclans graywing was on her trial (graywing of riverclan created the code that requires the protection of kits after she was visited by the spirits of kits she allowed to drown because she decided itd be too dangerous to rescue them). feel like freckle would really be screwed there.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 11, 2021 19:35:08 GMT -5
I think it's unlikely they'd put your own "victim" up on the stage to possibly judge you, although Frecklewish might actually be out of luck there since she is JUST removed enough that it could probably be done in such a way that they wouldn't count as her victims but obviously still resent her. The queens who spoke up against underage kits fighting is another good idea as one where she might get a bit of a raw deal. It seems like the nightmare scenario in these Starclan councils is ending up being judged by someone who founded the codes you broke, as they will be the harshest critics it seems. maybe riverclans graywing was on her trial (graywing of riverclan created the code that requires the protection of kits after she was visited by the spirits of kits she allowed to drown because she decided itd be too dangerous to rescue them). feel like freckle would really be screwed there. Oh wow, yeah that sounds like the exact situation you don't want to be in if you're Frecklewish
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 11, 2021 19:39:46 GMT -5
That's the only thing that would make sense. Leafpool and Squirrelflight were vouched for pretty heavily by Yellowfang, who seems to have some major sway. Though, now I want to see more of these judgment scenes. I wonder who Frecklewish came up against. Maybe the kits who had previously died and got their full names in Starclan? The queens who spoke up against kits under a certain age fighting? I also wouldn't be surprised if Juniperclaw was up against Skystar...who would be inherently biased against him. I think it's unlikely they'd put your own "victim" up on the stage to possibly judge you, although Frecklewish might actually be out of luck there since she is JUST removed enough that it could probably be done in such a way that they wouldn't count as her victims but obviously still resent her. The queens who spoke up against underage kits fighting is another good idea as one where she might get a bit of a raw deal. It seems like the nightmare scenario in these Starclan councils is ending up being judged by someone who founded the codes you broke, as they will be the harshest critics it seems. I mean, Leafpool got put up against Moth Flight - so it's entirely possible.
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Post by Chicken on Nov 18, 2021 13:12:46 GMT -5
Some of these are a bit strange. However, I'm glad cats like Lilywhisker, Yellowfang's mom, and Deerfoot are no longer listed as being in the DF.
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StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 18, 2021 21:02:32 GMT -5
With all of good and minorly bad cats in the series, This is what I headcanon. This is my judgement system:
StarClan:
Juniperclaw Mudclaw Frecklewish
Dark Forest:
Maggottail Darkstripe Brokenstar Tigerstar Shredtail Sparrowfeather Houndleap Rushtooth Ashfur Hawkfrost Jaggedtooth Stumpytail
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 18, 2021 22:43:46 GMT -5
Honestly the revelations of TBC and SqH have revealed that whatever system Starclan has in place to determine/weight out ones crimes and good deeds/feeling of remorse for crimes etc to decide whether or not their allowed entry into Starclan or forever condemned to kitty hell is so effed up and biased, and doesn’t evidently follow any set guidelines or rules is just mind-boggling . I mean are the clans definitions of good and evil that ambiguous that the scales can just be freely realigned and swayed by jury prejudice/favoritism to befit whatever they deem appropriate/beneficial? Has their afterlife judicial system truly been this flawed and screwy since day 1? or rather just more modifications being made by the new team for plot convenience. There’s no way it could of alway/ been that amorphous and fluid otherwise why hasn’t it been questioned on justifiable grounds and been changed a long time ago?. It probably started with the writers realizing the mistake of letting Ashfur into Starclan. Then they made SqH trial to show that the system is screwy so they could lead into the conflict in TBC. So Vicky essentially started the screwy judgmental system by letting Ashfur into Starclan. Though, we've also had cats like Mudclaw getting in even before that. So who knows
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 18, 2021 23:10:19 GMT -5
Honestly the revelations of TBC and SqH have revealed that whatever system Starclan has in place to determine/weight out ones crimes and good deeds/feeling of remorse for crimes etc to decide whether or not their allowed entry into Starclan or forever condemned to kitty hell is so effed up and biased, and doesn’t evidently follow any set guidelines or rules is just mind-boggling . I mean are the clans definitions of good and evil that ambiguous that the scales can just be freely realigned and swayed by jury prejudice/favoritism to befit whatever they deem appropriate/beneficial? Has their afterlife judicial system truly been this flawed and screwy since day 1? or rather just more modifications being made by the new team for plot convenience. There’s no way it could of alway/ been that amorphous and fluid otherwise why hasn’t it been questioned on justifiable grounds and been changed a long time ago?. It probably started with the writers realizing the mistake of letting Ashfur into Starclan. Then they made SqH trial to show that the system is screwy so they could lead into the conflict in TBC. So Vicky essentially started the screwy judgmental system by letting Ashfur into Starclan. Though, we've also had cats like Mudclaw getting in even before that. So who knows Wasn't expecting any kind of response or explanation, more me just venting my absolute disgust and frustration with how fickle of a job they've done handling the system that essentially determines whether or not your allowed eternal paradise, or eternal suffering and seemingly lack of an concrete ordinance that decides. which has progressively become more apparent. kind of defaces the value and importance of the Warrior code if heads of the council are just going to use prejudice and biased favoritism to allow those undeserving to roam in. if that type of corruption is allowed to run rampant, then it's take a lot more then a few revisions to the code to make it work better in the future and prevent incidents like Ashfur's case from recurring. Edit: hope that didn't come off as rude . it just really irks me .
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Post by Spooky Alice on Nov 19, 2021 1:22:56 GMT -5
I know this is a matter of personal taste but I feel like if it was better handled (and also established/hinted at earlier, which is impossible at this point) there could've been something interesting with the "who gets into starclan?" being screwy. but it is kind of hard to tell what the intent is
all that said oh boy do i wish they'd be consistent and stop putting starclan so front and center. this makes no sense.
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Nov 19, 2021 10:29:58 GMT -5
I know this is a matter of personal taste but I feel like if it was better handled (and also established/hinted at earlier, which is impossible at this point) there could've been something interesting with the "who gets into starclan?" being screwy. but it is kind of hard to tell what the intent is all that said oh boy do i wish they'd be consistent and stop putting starclan so front and center. this makes no sense. yeah, i really wish we got to see more of the LIVING CLANS for once... we didn't even know who sorrelstripe's mate was?! like the erins are so focused on starclan and the df that they're ignoring the clans. we haven't seen most of the clans for like all of tbc!
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 19, 2021 10:35:52 GMT -5
It probably started with the writers realizing the mistake of letting Ashfur into Starclan. Then they made SqH trial to show that the system is screwy so they could lead into the conflict in TBC. So Vicky essentially started the screwy judgmental system by letting Ashfur into Starclan. Though, we've also had cats like Mudclaw getting in even before that. So who knows Wasn't expecting any kind of response or explanation, more me just venting my absolute disgust and frustration with how fickle of a job they've done handling the system that essentially determines whether or not your allowed eternal paradise, or eternal suffering and seemingly lack of an concrete ordinance that decides. which has progressively become more apparent. kind of defaces the value and importance of the Warrior code if heads of the council are just going to use prejudice and biased favoritism to allow those undeserving to roam in. if that type of corruption is allowed to run rampant, then it's take a lot more then a few revisions to the code to make it work better in the future and prevent incidents like Ashfur's case from recurring. Edit: hope that didn't come off as rude . it just really irks me . Maybe I’m imagining it, but I’m pretty sure Bluestar or someone in an earlier book said that souls that deserve to be in StarClan sorta find their way there (she may have been talking about Ashfur). In which case, that implies that the afterlife prior to TBC/SqH is not determined by any StarClan resident but by some natural progression or otherworldly force. It should have stayed that way. Made more sense and fit better into the mystique surrounding the clans’ afterlife. They’ve also destroyed the whole reason Firestar won against Scourge in TDH, by retroactively suggesting that bad rogues do have an afterlife (thanks, Darktail).
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Message me your headcanons pls
Pronouns: He/him/his (but they's good too)
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Nov 19, 2021 10:37:15 GMT -5
Wasn't expecting any kind of response or explanation, more me just venting my absolute disgust and frustration with how fickle of a job they've done handling the system that essentially determines whether or not your allowed eternal paradise, or eternal suffering and seemingly lack of an concrete ordinance that decides. which has progressively become more apparent. kind of defaces the value and importance of the Warrior code if heads of the council are just going to use prejudice and biased favoritism to allow those undeserving to roam in. if that type of corruption is allowed to run rampant, then it's take a lot more then a few revisions to the code to make it work better in the future and prevent incidents like Ashfur's case from recurring. Edit: hope that didn't come off as rude . it just really irks me . Maybe I’m imagining it, but I’m pretty sure Bluestar or someone in an earlier book said that souls that deserve to be in StarClan sorta find their way there (she may have been talking about Ashfur). In which case, that implies that the afterlife prior to TBC/SqH is not determined by any StarClan resident but by some natural progression or otherworldly force. It should have stayed that way. Made more sense and fit better into the mystique surrounding the clans’ afterlife. yeah.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 19, 2021 11:30:22 GMT -5
Wasn't expecting any kind of response or explanation, more me just venting my absolute disgust and frustration with how fickle of a job they've done handling the system that essentially determines whether or not your allowed eternal paradise, or eternal suffering and seemingly lack of an concrete ordinance that decides. which has progressively become more apparent. kind of defaces the value and importance of the Warrior code if heads of the council are just going to use prejudice and biased favoritism to allow those undeserving to roam in. if that type of corruption is allowed to run rampant, then it's take a lot more then a few revisions to the code to make it work better in the future and prevent incidents like Ashfur's case from recurring. Edit: hope that didn't come off as rude . it just really irks me . Maybe I’m imagining it, but I’m pretty sure Bluestar or someone in an earlier book said that souls that deserve to be in StarClan sorta find their way there (she may have been talking about Ashfur). In which case, that implies that the afterlife prior to TBC/SqH is not determined by any StarClan resident but by some natural progression or otherworldly force. It should have stayed that way. Made more sense and fit better into the mystique surrounding the clans’ afterlife. They’ve also destroyed the whole reason Firestar won against Scourge in TDH, by retroactively suggesting that bad rogues do have an afterlife (thanks, Darktail). That's literally the opposite of what is suggested though. What was confirmed in TBC is that bad rogues DON'T have an afterlife, hence why Darktail was just lurking around as an aimless ghost until Ashfur used his power to summon him forth.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 19, 2021 11:41:59 GMT -5
Wasn't expecting any kind of response or explanation, more me just venting my absolute disgust and frustration with how fickle of a job they've done handling the system that essentially determines whether or not your allowed eternal paradise, or eternal suffering and seemingly lack of an concrete ordinance that decides. which has progressively become more apparent. kind of defaces the value and importance of the Warrior code if heads of the council are just going to use prejudice and biased favoritism to allow those undeserving to roam in. if that type of corruption is allowed to run rampant, then it's take a lot more then a few revisions to the code to make it work better in the future and prevent incidents like Ashfur's case from recurring. Edit: hope that didn't come off as rude . it just really irks me . Maybe I’m imagining it, but I’m pretty sure Bluestar or someone in an earlier book said that souls that deserve to be in StarClan sorta find their way there (she may have been talking about Ashfur). In which case, that implies that the afterlife prior to TBC/SqH is not determined by any StarClan resident but by some natural progression or otherworldly force. It should have stayed that way. Made more sense and fit better into the mystique surrounding the clans’ afterlife. They’ve also destroyed the whole reason Firestar won against Scourge in TDH, by retroactively suggesting that bad rogues do have an afterlife (thanks, Darktail). yeah it was Bluestar telling Jayfeather when he questioned why he was in Starclan, and she told him if his spirit somehow managed to find its way then he belonged or other . Think it was Sign of the Moon or Night whispers , i forget which cause honestly it’s been a decade since I’ve read Omen of the stars . And I still have DoTC to catch up on and some SE’s before I think about rereading it. Edit: and no Offense to anyone that’s enjoyed AVoS or TBC. But personally the new Editing team can Shove it.
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
Name Colour
Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 19, 2021 12:57:16 GMT -5
The only arc the editor\creative team did very well was Dawn of The Clans.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 19, 2021 13:05:53 GMT -5
The only arc the editor\creative team did very well was Dawn of The Clans. and Victoria Holmes was still technically there, so that may have helped who knows. I did enjoy the first 4 books of AVoS though.
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