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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 26, 2021 18:51:36 GMT -5
Since I don’t know a whole lot about polls and ways to circumvent what has occurred. For future consequences, how likely would it be that they just don’t use polls anymore, allowing fans to have little say? Take down this poll, decide the SE for themselves, and then we figure out whatever we get when it’s announced, is another option I had in mind. So, once this all gets notified by higher ups, what do you think is most likely to occur? Third option being they ignore or try and work through it and hope the votes even out more. (Which we still have a lot of time left for that to happen.)
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Post by Cloudstorm on Sept 26, 2021 19:31:04 GMT -5
Bow this is just my Opinion , so take it with a Large grain of Salt . I do agree this Poll has Blown pretty far out of proportion, and caused a lot of people to get Salty about influencers swaying the Votes, and even bringing in there followers/friends that may or may not Read/care for the Series . And people have every right to feel upset about shifty maneuvers being used . My opinion though on the poll , especially considering that you don’t even have to login to vote , is that they put it up strictly for the purpose to stir up Drama/conflict for free press/marketing for Upcoming arcs/SE etc , and they probably have already have the Next SE Story outline planned , and have chosen which Character they intend to write about . Wouldn’t surprise me if they made it on either Ivypool or Mistystar , even if Riverstar Wins . Of course this is only my opinion , based off the previous experience knowing that most companies don’t actually Take the Fanbases opinion seriously ( weather it’s video games/Books/movies etc ) best not too take these polls to seriously .
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Post by lazybramble on Sept 26, 2021 20:55:47 GMT -5
first there are two way: do or don't smth with these mess. I prefer to think they will do smth, cause community sees wrong numbers of poll. I don't think they ll refuse from idea of polls, but they must do thing against rigging. Just simple things like IP logging for every vote or only registered ppl may give votes
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 27, 2021 6:09:20 GMT -5
Seeing as they didn't use polls all the time in the first place. I would say that this poll should be reset and people are then only allowed to vote once on it with the site monitoring this carefully and only allowing those who are logged in to vote at all. Afterwards they should just go back to deciding things for themselves as this situation has proven once again how some people really like to ruin it for others and take things too far. Cloudstorm There was a poll last year about who should get SE 14 with most fans voting for Leopardstar. Leopardstar's Honor came out earlier this month so they either already knew she would win or listened to fans (kind of the same thing). My prediction for now is that they planned on writing an Ivypool SE and expected her to win this year's poll due to her being way more popular in the fandom than either Riverstar or Mistystar. So them resetting this poll soon seems likely to fit their own purpose. Edit: I contacted them yesterday (you can read the whole exchange on the Riverstar SE thread) and they just got back to me. Turns out that this poll will be left up as it is for the time being but all automated bot votes will be removed from the actual result. Here's what they said:
Hi,
Thanks for contacting us.
We are aware of the issue with inauthentic votes and are investigating the matter. Any votes cast by an automated bot will be removed before the result is announced.
Thanks, Website Editorial Team
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 27, 2021 17:45:52 GMT -5
Polls are fine for me. It allows fans to have a say in what's going to happen in their beloved book series. I personally love the idea of being able to vote for my favorite character to get their own book. I don't think that polls should be abolished completely for one messy situation.
That being said, the voting system really should be reformed so that you can only vote once logged in, and bots can't be used. That's what I hope the Warriors team will do.
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Sept 27, 2021 17:49:07 GMT -5
Maybe they should only make polls that don't involve main characters (like Ivypool) in the future
I don't remember any other polls causing this problem and I'm guessing it's because they mostly focused on side characters, but tbh I don't remember
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 27, 2021 18:36:37 GMT -5
Polls are fine for me. It allows fans to have a say in what's going to happen in their beloved book series. I personally love the idea of being able to vote for my favorite character to get their own book. I don't think that polls should be abolished completely for one messy situation. That being said, the voting system really should be reformed so that you can only vote once logged in, and bots can't be used. That's what I hope the Warriors team will do. I do enjoy polls as well. But if they’re going to be misused horribly it may be best to not have them at all. (Especially if this occurs again without proper locks in place, so to speak.)
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Post by mean and green on Sept 27, 2021 19:32:23 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, I don’t really like the ideas for polls. It’s great that fans get to have some say in who gets SEs but (now this is a me thing yall… just my personal opinion) I don’t end up caring for the choices or who actually wins. Again, this is more of a personal thing and I understand why others like the polls but I liked when they chose the character on their own. I like being surprised lmao
I don’t know when the whole concept of the polls started for choosing SEs so I’m not sure what SEs have been made with this process but if it’s been the latest ones, then yea don’t really like how the popular characters are getting SEs or characters I don’t really care to know even more about.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 27, 2021 20:21:10 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, I don’t really like the ideas for polls. It’s great that fans get to have some say in who gets SEs but (now this is a me thing yall… just my personal opinion) I don’t end up caring for the choices or who actually wins. Again, this is more of a personal thing and I understand why others like the polls but I liked when they chose the character on their own. I like being surprised lmao I don’t know when the whole concept of the polls started for choosing SEs so I’m not sure what SEs have been made with this process but if it’s been the latest ones, then yea don’t really like how the popular characters are getting SEs or characters I don’t really care to know even more about. Only two books have been made with the voting process. Leopardstar’s Honor was the SE. Blackfoot’s Reckoning was the novella. The only other poll I remember voting in, was choosing the warrior name of one of the TBC protagonists. (Not saying who as I do not want to needlessly spoil things for someone, accidentally.)
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Post by mean and green on Sept 27, 2021 20:55:56 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, I don’t really like the ideas for polls. It’s great that fans get to have some say in who gets SEs but (now this is a me thing yall… just my personal opinion) I don’t end up caring for the choices or who actually wins. Again, this is more of a personal thing and I understand why others like the polls but I liked when they chose the character on their own. I like being surprised lmao I don’t know when the whole concept of the polls started for choosing SEs so I’m not sure what SEs have been made with this process but if it’s been the latest ones, then yea don’t really like how the popular characters are getting SEs or characters I don’t really care to know even more about. Only two books have been made with the voting process. Leopardstar’s Honor was the SE. Blackfoot’s Reckoning was the novella. The only other poll I remember voting in, was choosing the warrior name of one of the TBC protagonists. (Not saying who as I do not want to needlessly spoil things for someone, accidentally.) Ah thank you for clarifying that! So it's a relatively new process. I still will never not be disappointed that Blackstar was the novella, not the SE but that's a story for another day lmfao. Okay but legit thanks for explaining that bc I don't have an account on the website so I don't vote for things. I still keep my statement though, I like being surprised more..... Then again... The other SE picks... lmfao
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 28, 2021 9:17:14 GMT -5
Only two books have been made with the voting process. Leopardstar’s Honor was the SE. Blackfoot’s Reckoning was the novella. The only other poll I remember voting in, was choosing the warrior name of one of the TBC protagonists. (Not saying who as I do not want to needlessly spoil things for someone, accidentally.) Ah thank you for clarifying that! So it's a relatively new process. I still will never not be disappointed that Blackstar was the novella, not the SE but that's a story for another day lmfao. Okay but legit thanks for explaining that bc I don't have an account on the website so I don't vote for things. I still keep my statement though, I like being surprised more..... Then again... The other SE picks... lmfao You’re welcome! Until recently, you did not need an account to vote. I voted previously without an account.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 28, 2021 10:02:35 GMT -5
Polls are fine for me. It allows fans to have a say in what's going to happen in their beloved book series. I personally love the idea of being able to vote for my favorite character to get their own book. I don't think that polls should be abolished completely for one messy situation. That being said, the voting system really should be reformed so that you can only vote once logged in, and bots can't be used. That's what I hope the Warriors team will do. I do enjoy polls as well. But if they’re going to be misused horribly it may be best to not have them at all. (Especially if this occurs again without proper locks in place, so to speak.) Yes, but this mis-usage of the poll was without the proper locks in place, and even then, a widespread mis-usage has yet to occur with the proper locks in place. People mass misusing the poll doesn't warrant it to completely abolished and I still believe that we can do better than this. They're still good.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 28, 2021 12:36:11 GMT -5
I do enjoy polls as well. But if they’re going to be misused horribly it may be best to not have them at all. (Especially if this occurs again without proper locks in place, so to speak.) Yes, but this mis-usage of the poll was without the proper locks in place, and even then, a widespread mis-usage has yet to occur with the proper locks in place. People mass misusing the poll doesn't warrant it to completely abolished and I still believe that we can do better than this. They're still good. The votes are still heavily skewed and have not been fixed, last I looked at it. Riverstar still held 80 something percent of the vote. While the log-ins have certainly blocked further abuse potential, it does not fix what has already been broken. The very fact that people even decided to do this anyway, just shows a complete lack of maturity over a book series for children. (Although not surprising as similar things have occurred with other polls, with anyone voting. It’s weird that it has only occurred now and not with the former SE options.)
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Sept 28, 2021 12:41:14 GMT -5
Polls are great when used fairly.
They're better off choosing the SE themselves.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 28, 2021 12:43:07 GMT -5
Polls are great when used fairly. They're better off choosing the SE themselves. I feel like it would be better if we chose novellas over SE’s. (While I would miss the opportunity.) It’s far easier to decide on who should get something shorter then something in the 300/400+ page range.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Sept 28, 2021 12:54:18 GMT -5
Polls are great when used fairly. They're better off choosing the SE themselves. I feel like it would be better if we chose novellas over SE’s. (While I would miss the opportunity.) It’s far easier to decide on who should get something shorter then something in the 300/400+ page range. It may be the same as choosing an SE, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 28, 2021 13:03:37 GMT -5
Yes, but this mis-usage of the poll was without the proper locks in place, and even then, a widespread mis-usage has yet to occur with the proper locks in place. People mass misusing the poll doesn't warrant it to completely abolished and I still believe that we can do better than this. They're still good. The votes are still heavily skewed and have not been fixed, last I looked at it. Riverstar still held 80 something percent of the vote. While the log-ins have certainly blocked further abuse potential, it does not fix what has already been broken. The very fact that people even decided to do this anyway, just shows a complete lack of maturity over a book series for children. (Although not surprising as similar things have occurred with other polls, with anyone voting. It’s weird that it has only occurred now and not with the former SE options.) Now that the voting system has been fixed, it can prevent further mishaps. People won't be able to do this again for future polls and abolishing them for one situation just isn't necessary. This happened with this one specifically because Riverstar was on the poll. His rabid, immature fans came out and started to cheat. The previous polls didn't have any of this happening simply because Riverstar is so popular.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 28, 2021 14:13:39 GMT -5
The votes are still heavily skewed and have not been fixed, last I looked at it. Riverstar still held 80 something percent of the vote. While the log-ins have certainly blocked further abuse potential, it does not fix what has already been broken. The very fact that people even decided to do this anyway, just shows a complete lack of maturity over a book series for children. (Although not surprising as similar things have occurred with other polls, with anyone voting. It’s weird that it has only occurred now and not with the former SE options.) Now that the voting system has been fixed, it can prevent further mishaps. People won't be able to do this again for future polls and abolishing them for one situation just isn't necessary. This happened with this one specifically because Riverstar was on the poll. His rabid, immature fans came out and started to cheat. The previous polls didn't have any of this happening simply because Riverstar is so popular. Someone could still make multiple accounts as long as they have multiple e-mails. I’ve yet to see some countermeasure against that in place, nor has it been mentioned. (This could slow the process of cheating but it would still be entirely possible.)
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 28, 2021 14:59:40 GMT -5
Now that the voting system has been fixed, it can prevent further mishaps. People won't be able to do this again for future polls and abolishing them for one situation just isn't necessary. This happened with this one specifically because Riverstar was on the poll. His rabid, immature fans came out and started to cheat. The previous polls didn't have any of this happening simply because Riverstar is so popular. Someone could still make multiple accounts as long as they have multiple e-mails. I’ve yet to see some countermeasure against that in place, nor has it been mentioned. (This could slow the process of cheating but it would still be entirely possible.) Someone will probably do that, but their IP address will still be recognized, and their votes will probably not be counted.
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Post by Katanaheart on Oct 1, 2021 3:24:22 GMT -5
Someone could still make multiple accounts as long as they have multiple e-mails. I’ve yet to see some countermeasure against that in place, nor has it been mentioned. (This could slow the process of cheating but it would still be entirely possible.) Someone will probably do that, but their IP address will still be recognized, and their votes will probably not be counted. Given the current results at the moment. (And if Ivypool’s votes suddenly have a dramatic rise come Monday.) The fact that someone or several people are just creating accounts to vote to drastically increase the chances says exactly what I feared. Someone is creating multiple accounts and the votes are being counted. Riverstar-47% Mistystar-45% Ivypool-8%
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Post by lazybramble on Oct 1, 2021 4:26:48 GMT -5
Someone will probably do that, but their IP address will still be recognized, and their votes will probably not be counted. Given the current results at the moment. (And if Ivypool’s votes suddenly have a dramatic rise come Monday.) The fact that someone or several people are just creating accounts to vote to drastically increase the chances says exactly what I feared. Someone is creating multiple accounts and the votes are being counted. Riverstar-47% Mistystar-45% Ivypool-8% You are wrong, it still able voting w/out account. Only question is do they track votes with and without registration
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Post by Katanaheart on Oct 1, 2021 4:28:22 GMT -5
Given the current results at the moment. (And if Ivypool’s votes suddenly have a dramatic rise come Monday.) The fact that someone or several people are just creating accounts to vote to drastically increase the chances says exactly what I feared. Someone is creating multiple accounts and the votes are being counted. Riverstar-47% Mistystar-45% Ivypool-8% You are wrong, it still able voting w/out account. Only question is do they track votes with and without registration “Please be aware you must be a registered user to place a vote, and you are only able to vote once. Sign up for your account here. Any votes placed inauthentically with the use of a votebot will be removed. We are aware of this issue and currently investigating.“ It wouldn’t let me vote without creating an account a few days ago… So, idk.
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Post by Katanaheart on Oct 1, 2021 4:28:58 GMT -5
I also can’t vote again, so that’s in place.
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Post by lazybramble on Oct 1, 2021 4:35:28 GMT -5
You are wrong, it still able voting w/out account. Only question is do they track votes with and without registration “Please be aware you must be a registered user to place a vote, and you are only able to vote once. Sign up for your account here. Any votes placed inauthentically with the use of a votebot will be removed. We are aware of this issue and currently investigating.“ It wouldn’t let me vote without creating an account a few days ago… So, idk. Not like usual user, but there is the way bot still can vote.
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Post by Katanaheart on Oct 1, 2021 5:00:41 GMT -5
“Please be aware you must be a registered user to place a vote, and you are only able to vote once. Sign up for your account here. Any votes placed inauthentically with the use of a votebot will be removed. We are aware of this issue and currently investigating.“ It wouldn’t let me vote without creating an account a few days ago… So, idk. Not like usual user, but there is the way bot still can vote. How so? I know little about bots or that type of coding.
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Post by lazybramble on Oct 1, 2021 5:10:29 GMT -5
poll count votes by users through PUT request. on this vote now enabled header Authorization, which contain users token. If Authorization equals zero (user no login) or not correct, there is unable to vote. But if just delete header from request it s perfectly counting. So bot just send those request and count and count and count
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 1, 2021 9:48:24 GMT -5
Someone will probably do that, but their IP address will still be recognized, and their votes will probably not be counted. Given the current results at the moment. (And if Ivypool’s votes suddenly have a dramatic rise come Monday.) The fact that someone or several people are just creating accounts to vote to drastically increase the chances says exactly what I feared. Someone is creating multiple accounts and the votes are being counted. Riverstar-47% Mistystar-45% Ivypool-8% The website team is still working on removing all the bot votes. The vote margins will obviously switch dramatically while it is happening. You just have to wait.
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Post by rabbit on Oct 1, 2021 10:34:54 GMT -5
I wonder how they are going to remove votes. I find it hard to believe they have a sure fire way to identify bot votes vs human ones. They could look at patterns I think, but that’s still guesswork.
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Post by rabbit on Oct 1, 2021 10:42:29 GMT -5
Not like usual user, but there is the way bot still can vote. How so? I know little about bots or that type of coding. I bet you could make a bot create accounts and vote over and over again. I don’t know much about bots either, so just a guess. But I have seen polls that require an account to vote get botted.
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