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Post by Chicken on Sept 17, 2021 17:48:58 GMT -5
If you could change just one thing in this series, what would it be?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 17, 2021 17:51:06 GMT -5
make forbidden relationships more open and transparent. if u want a relationship with someone from another clan, u and ur mate must decide who will move where. once that's decided, u have to confess to ur clan leaders and make the move. if u move to ur mates clan, u have to make a new vow and oath to be loyal to that clan now and never show ur former clanmates or kin any sort of affection or bias. the cats should committ strongly to their decisions and face the consequences (moving clans or having ur mate move in with u, etc.)
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Post by Chicken on Sept 17, 2021 17:52:26 GMT -5
make forbidden relationships more open and transparent. if u want a relationship with someone from another clan, u and ur mate must decide who will move where. once that's decided, u have to confess to ur clan leaders and make the move. if u move to ur mates clan, u have to make a new vow and oath to be loyal to that clan now and never show ur former clanmates or kin any sort of affection or bias. the cats should committ strongly to their decisions and face the consequences (moving clans or having ur mate move in with u, etc.) Agreed! I feel like that could help a lot with the fall out that often arises with forbidden relationships.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 17, 2021 17:55:15 GMT -5
Likely have had one of Tigerheart’s kits due on the way back. Probably Lightkit since I remember her having the most near-death experiences. Maybe have her be taken by the owl so we don’t have a random Tigerheart life gone.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 17, 2021 17:57:47 GMT -5
Likely have had one of Tigerheart’s kits due on the way back. Probably Lightkit since I remember her having the most near-death experiences. Maybe have her be taken by the owl so we don’t have a random Tigerheart life gone. What other near-death experience did Lightkit have besides the trap thing? Or was that Pouncestep too? I know that Pouncestep was the one who Spiresight died to save, but they said it was Shadowsight in TBC. But I agree.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 17, 2021 17:59:19 GMT -5
Likely have had one of Tigerheart’s kits due on the way back. Probably Lightkit since I remember her having the most near-death experiences. Maybe have her be taken by the owl so we don’t have a random Tigerheart life gone. What other near-death experience did Lightkit have besides the trap thing? Or was that Pouncestep too? I know that Pouncestep was the one who Spiresight died to save, but they said it was Shadowsight in TBC. But I agree. I thought Lightkit was the one Spiresight had died to save? (Also was debating on editing and using Shadowkit instead but he is a little too important with Ashfur needing a manipulative target.)
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Post by Chicken on Sept 17, 2021 18:03:04 GMT -5
What other near-death experience did Lightkit have besides the trap thing? Or was that Pouncestep too? I know that Pouncestep was the one who Spiresight died to save, but they said it was Shadowsight in TBC. But I agree. I thought Lightkit was the one Spiresight had died to save? (Also was debating on editing and using Shadowkit instead but he is a little too important with Ashfur needing a manipulative target.) I just checked the wiki, both the trap and getting saved by Spiresight is Pouncestep, who funnily enough has had less characterization that Lightleap, so axing her wouldn't even really matter that much, as she's basically done nothing in TBC. That makes sense about Shadowkit.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 17, 2021 20:47:32 GMT -5
Tigerheart drowning instead of his siblings.
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Post by whiteflight on Sept 17, 2021 21:12:15 GMT -5
Make the new villain not be Ashfur
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 17, 2021 21:49:27 GMT -5
Make the new villain not be Ashfur i'll add onto this change: have ashfur come back in the last hope battle with the dark forest and have him confront squirrelflight in the living world. she'll be confused and think he's on starclan's side, but he tries to attack her. they then talk a bit then fight, and squirrelflight ends up killing his spirit righ then and there. now there wouldnt be any "bringing him back" to steal the spotlight from othe villains. perfect change.
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Post by kells on Sept 18, 2021 0:21:19 GMT -5
Remove Firestar as a character.
I like chaos.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 18, 2021 7:26:03 GMT -5
Make Bramblestar and Squirrelflight have a sibling dynamic instead of becoming mates.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 18, 2021 9:26:35 GMT -5
Make Bramblestar stay as a warrior instead of becoming deputy.
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Post by epicstyle on Sept 18, 2021 11:02:24 GMT -5
TBC spoilers Make Rock the impostor/pulling the strings of the impostor. I think it would be cool because we know so little about Rock and his motives could be to teach the clans a lesson about how flawed their way of life is. Ashfur could still be the impostor, he was just recruited by Rock. I think this would make more sense than Ashfur acting alone because there is no way he is that powerful on his own lol, but Rock might be.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 18, 2021 11:23:11 GMT -5
Make Bramblestar and Squirrelflight have a sibling dynamic instead of becoming mates. Yes!! I would love this. I remember not too long ago, I saw a picture or a comic of them with a sibling dynamic and it was incredible. Honestly, I think this series is bad at utilizing things that could be interesting, as well as characters who could fit the plot better, in favor of drama and how popular the characters are, which I guess sells and in the end, that's all that really matters.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 18, 2021 12:04:33 GMT -5
Make Bramblestar and Squirrelflight have a sibling dynamic instead of becoming mates. Yes!! I would love this. I remember not too long ago, I saw a picture or a comic of them with a sibling dynamic and it was incredible. Honestly, I think this series is bad at utilizing things that could be interesting, as well as characters who could fit the plot better, in favor of drama and how popular the characters are, which I guess sells and in the end, that's all that really matters. Do you mean this? I completely agree with you on the matter of character roles not being properly utilized in this series. The Warriors books are sadly not a passion project but just another cash grab instead.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 18, 2021 12:24:43 GMT -5
𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 I'm pretty sure that's the one, but I can't say 100% for sure, but I love this one! I really wish the books would have gone like that, instead of Bramble x Squirrel fighting all the time and then being held up as the best one true love ship in this series. Give me a break lol, I've seen better relationships on 90 Day Fiancé. That's a shame, I wonder why it's even popular now? Like, aren't people tired of the same old stuff? The same old characters?
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 18, 2021 13:00:24 GMT -5
𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 I'm pretty sure that's the one, but I can't say 100% for sure, but I love this one! I really wish the books would have gone like that, instead of Bramble x Squirrel fighting all the time and then being held up as the best one true love ship in this series. Give me a break lol, I've seen better relationships on 90 Day Fiancé. That's a shame, I wonder why it's even popular now? Like, aren't people tired of the same old stuff? The same old characters? It's actually bizarre to see the disconnect between fandom and series when thousands of people in various comments sections are saying how Squirrelflight is scared of him, hates him and should break up with him while she did everything in her power to save Bramblestar during TBC and declared her love repeatedly. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle. Most older fans are definitely tired of the same repeated bullshit but there are also a lot of younger or new fans reading the books who haven't yet realized that this is not written by one author with lots of adoration for the characters but rather a team of writers and who knows how many additional ghostwriters that all just want to get paid. Don't get me wrong, I think that some of them do care but the majority is simply in it for the sweet money which a popular fantasy book series like Warriors is guaranteed to make.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 18, 2021 13:05:15 GMT -5
𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 I'm pretty sure that's the one, but I can't say 100% for sure, but I love this one! I really wish the books would have gone like that, instead of Bramble x Squirrel fighting all the time and then being held up as the best one true love ship in this series. Give me a break lol, I've seen better relationships on 90 Day Fiancé. That's a shame, I wonder why it's even popular now? Like, aren't people tired of the same old stuff? The same old characters? It's actually bizarre to see the disconnect between fandom and series when thousands of people in various comments sections are saying how Squirrelflight is scared of him, hates him and should break up with him while she did everything in her power to save Bramblestar during TBC and declared her love repeatedly. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle. Most older fans are definitely tired of the same repeated bullshit but there are also a lot of younger or new fans reading the books who haven't yet realized that this is not written by one author with lots of adoration for the characters but rather a team of writers and who knows how many additional ghostwriters that all just want to get paid. Don't get me wrong, I think that some of them do care but the majority is simply in it for the sweet money which a popular fantasy book series like Warriors is guaranteed to make. That makes a lot of sense. Though, I'm a newer fan, sort of, I only started reading the books back in late 2018, however, I think the difference here, is that most people start reading this series when they're little kids, I started reading when I was 17, which is probably why a lot of my thoughts/feelings about things are different than some of the others. I also had no idea it wasn't written by one author until I joined the fandom after reading the first arc. This makes me wish I had written a series like Warriors before Warriors existed, I would have put care and effort into the books and remembering stuff, and making family trees from the get-go, I know they only intended there to be one arc, so that makes sense why there was no established relationships, but yeah.
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Post by Aqua on Sept 18, 2021 13:11:01 GMT -5
I want Ivypool and Dovewing to become background characters with no PoV in OotS. I like them, but Ivypool was really annoying with Dovewing, and we really didn't need to see Dovewing's stupid romance. They're honestly a lot more interesting without a PoV.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Sept 18, 2021 13:15:45 GMT -5
It's actually bizarre to see the disconnect between fandom and series when thousands of people in various comments sections are saying how Squirrelflight is scared of him, hates him and should break up with him while she did everything in her power to save Bramblestar during TBC and declared her love repeatedly. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle. Most older fans are definitely tired of the same repeated bullshit but there are also a lot of younger or new fans reading the books who haven't yet realized that this is not written by one author with lots of adoration for the characters but rather a team of writers and who knows how many additional ghostwriters that all just want to get paid. Don't get me wrong, I think that some of them do care but the majority is simply in it for the sweet money which a popular fantasy book series like Warriors is guaranteed to make. That makes a lot of sense. Though, I'm a newer fan, sort of, I only started reading the books back in late 2018, however, I think the difference here, is that most people start reading this series when they're little kids, I started reading when I was 17, which is probably why a lot of my thoughts/feelings about things are different than some of the others. I also had no idea it wasn't written by one author until I joined the fandom after reading the first arc. This makes me wish I had written a series like Warriors before Warriors existed, I would have put care and effort into the books and remembering stuff, and making family trees from the get-go, I know they only intended there to be one arc, so that makes sense why there was no established relationships, but yeah. Here's a video that goes a bit more in depth to what I already said as I can't fully explain the specifics of how this series is written. As a child I always asked my parents to find out if Erin Hunter was coming to Germany anytime soon so I could meet her and talk about the books I'm still loving to this day (but no longer in the same way). So when I found out that there was more than one author (and even they aren't the ones in charge) my plans were ruined and not even Vicky Holmes actually visiting a local bookstore of mine could change that. I sound so childish but that's how I felt at the age of eleven.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 18, 2021 13:23:45 GMT -5
𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑Aw, I'm sorry. I don't blame you at all for being disappointed, that is something pretty major to be disappointed about, especially for a kid with such high hopes. I will watch the video now. AquaI STRONGLY agree with this! Especially since Ivypool was named after a real life person, and because of that, her suffix doesn't really fit her. I think a cat named after a real life person shouldn't be a main character, because what if they connect themselves to that character, and read hate comments about that character or something?
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Post by Aqua on Sept 18, 2021 13:32:15 GMT -5
𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑Aw, I'm sorry. I don't blame you at all for being disappointed, that is something pretty major to be disappointed about, especially for a kid with such high hopes. I will watch the video now. AquaI STRONGLY agree with this! Especially since Ivypool was named after a real life person, and because of that, her suffix doesn't really fit her. I think a cat named after a real life person shouldn't be a main character, because what if they connect themselves to that character, and read hate comments about that character or something? I don't mind Ivypool's name at all. I think it's pretty actually. I just have a problem with her and Dovewing having PoVs because they honestly feel more like actual characters when they're not having one? Other characters focus on their struggles when they're watching Dove & Ivy, like for example, Lionblaze or Squirrelflight notices Dove struggling without her hearing powers and having low self-esteem, while Ivy is mentioned to have PTSD in Jay's PoV, but none of this is mentioned in their OWN PoVs very often when it should be. It's mentioned once, but that's it, when they actually have characters and realistic struggles to them. Kind of sad honestly.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 18, 2021 14:01:50 GMT -5
AquaThat makes a lot of sense, and I agree.
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Post by ravenmoon on Sept 18, 2021 15:38:51 GMT -5
Add LGBTQA cats into the story and not have almost every single she-cat have a mate and kits.
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Post by Chicken on Sept 18, 2021 15:52:57 GMT -5
Add LGBTQA cats into the story and not have almost every single she-cat have a mate and kits. I agree with the first part, but I don't really understand the second part. It seems like, when it comes to the main characters, just as many toms had a mate and kits as the she-cats did, the only ones who haven't (not including Root and Shadow, since their arc isn't finished yet) are Jayfeather and Alderheart, who are medicine cats, but they still had crushes on cats.
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