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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 17, 2021 13:34:26 GMT -5
This is a recap post of my other post, so here's the major points: quick notes before we start: Fireheart will still join the clans, since TPOT and OOTS require his involvement per anctient prophecy and yadayada. Also any apprentice who makes it to warriorhood will just have their prefix automatically assigned as "foot". Into the Wild: Redtail Lives. Ravenpaw stays and is promoted to Ravenfoot. Fire and Ice: Cinderpaw doesn't have her accident and remains in warrior training. Forest of Secrets: Fireheart never learns the truth about Mistyfoot and Stonefur. Cinderpaw doesn't start training under Yellowfang. Cinderpaw is promoted to a warrior along with Brackenpaw. Fireheart isn't named deputy at the end of the book. Bramblekit and Tawnykit are never born. Rising Storm: Runningwind lives. Whitethroat and Littlecloud perish. Without Tigerstar Runningnose chooses a new leader, we shall say Rowanberry since she is the oldest warrior who has had an apprentice in Tigerclaw's Fury. Yellowfang dies without Cinderpelt to succeed her. Since Fernkit is required for the prophecy in OOTS, Ashkit is chosen to be Puddleshined into medicine cat hood in wake of the fire. A Dangerous Path While the dogs are still out on the loose, Bluestar is doing better and Swiftpaw and Brightpaw are never motivated to do what they did. Swiftpaw is promoted to Swiftfoot along with Brightheart, Cloudtail, and Thornclaw. The war with WindClan never happens. Mistyfoot and Stonefur do not learn the truth about their parents. The Darkest Hour Yeah...Bluestar is still leader, (though she still has only one life left) Redtail is still deputy, and...uh...pretty much nothing happens? Gorsepaw lives and presumably is promoted to Gorsefoot. New Prophecy should be interesting!
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Post by Chicken on Sept 17, 2021 17:45:22 GMT -5
If Ashfur becomes a medicine cat, I wonder if his downfall will still happen? This will be interesting to explore.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 17, 2021 17:48:33 GMT -5
Since Ashfur is now medicine cat, that means he’ll be training Leafpool.
I also wonder who the Shadow, Thunder, and River representatives are…
Since I don’t think Feathertail exists either alongside Tawny and Bramble. The only representative who will be fine is Crowpaw.
The ending parts of TNP will also be very different since Hawkfrost and Mothwing don’t exist. (Since if Sasha did get with a random cat, she wouldn’t really know about the Clans to my knowledge. So they don’t exist either.)
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 17, 2021 17:50:00 GMT -5
Oh! What about SkyClan? Would Bluestar even allow him to leave TC?
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 18, 2021 11:58:08 GMT -5
Since Ashfur is now medicine cat, that means he’ll be training Leafpool. I also wonder who the Shadow, Thunder, and River representatives are… Since I don’t think Feathertail exists either alongside Tawny and Bramble. The only representative who will be fine is Crowpaw. The ending parts of TNP will also be very different since Hawkfrost and Mothwing don’t exist. (Since if Sasha did get with a random cat, she wouldn’t really know about the Clans to my knowledge. So they don’t exist either.) I decided that Feathertail and Stormfur would just barely pull through, so River is safe. But Thunder and Shadow are in question...
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 18, 2021 11:59:56 GMT -5
Oh! What about SkyClan? Would Bluestar even allow him to leave TC? hmm...Firestar's quest is next on the docket, so let's see.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 19, 2021 23:45:05 GMT -5
Oh! What about SkyClan? Would Bluestar even allow him to leave TC? Cloudstar specifically says that he's waiting for a "strong cat, a leader" who bears no taint of the betrayal. So...he might not even get the dreams?
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 19, 2021 23:50:34 GMT -5
Oh! What about SkyClan? Would Bluestar even allow him to leave TC? Cloudstar specifically says that he's waiting for a "strong cat, a leader" who bears no taint of the betrayal. So...he might not even get the dreams? But Firestar was needed because he was a kittypet, Cloudstar would only have appeared to a kittypet. So I guess SkyClan is never re-formed in this timeline?
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 19, 2021 23:51:21 GMT -5
Leader who was Kittypet/someone not of Clan blood
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 20, 2021 0:02:13 GMT -5
Leader who was Kittypet/someone not of Clan blood Well, not unless Firestar becomes leader in this timeline. He *might*...? Or might not. Haven't gotten that far yet. But let's see.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 20, 2021 18:25:27 GMT -5
I think that with a distinct Brambleclaw Shortage (TM) that Fireheart would become the new Representative for Thunder, being The Chosen One (TM) by the time TNP roles around. Katanaheart
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 20, 2021 18:30:14 GMT -5
As for ShadowClan, I think Rowanclaw would be a good choice. I toyed with Cedarheart but he's overly aggressive, attacking a medicine cat apprentice and such and such. Although the Twilight thing...I wonder if going on a journey with the other five would be enough to help him grow out of that.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 20, 2021 19:34:28 GMT -5
I think that with a distinct Brambleclaw Shortage (TM) that Fireheart would become the new Representative for Thunder, being The Chosen One (TM) by the time TNP roles around. KatanaheartInteresting! Leads little room to go deal with SkyClan though and I imagine he’d still have Squirrel and Leaf by this time. Is Bluestar still alive by the start of TNP or do we get Redstar?
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 20, 2021 20:44:06 GMT -5
I think that with a distinct Brambleclaw Shortage (TM) that Fireheart would become the new Representative for Thunder, being The Chosen One (TM) by the time TNP roles around. Katanaheart Interesting! Leads little room to go deal with SkyClan though and I imagine he’d still have Squirrel and Leaf by this time. Is Bluestar still alive by the start of TNP or do we get Redstar? If BloodClan had been a thing, then I would say yes, Bluestar would probably lose a life in that vicious battle and I might have been using the fact that Firestar lost a life as a gauge for Bluestar's lost life. I don't know if Bluestar would have come up with the relay race, but whatever plan she devised she would've put herself on the frontlines. So...Redstar yes? She never really told anybody about the Fire prophecy, so let's say that Redstar becomes a thing and Whitestorm becomes the new deputy. (Oldest cat with an apprentice) I could be recalling this wrong but Squirrelpaw really ended up tagging along to A ) Follow Brambleclaw around B ) Get away from her dad, but...her dad is now coming. So.
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Post by briarfrost on Sept 20, 2021 20:49:28 GMT -5
Oh! What about SkyClan? Would Bluestar even allow him to leave TC? Cloudstar specifically says that he's waiting for a "strong cat, a leader" who bears no taint of the betrayal. So...he might not even get the dreams?
You could interpret "leader" in different ways. After all, Fire isn't a leader yet in this AU, but you said he was going on the sun-drown place journey, and he'd be a natural leader of that group. So, he's a "future leader" in a sense...or a leader in the sense he has the natural charisma of one.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 20, 2021 21:49:01 GMT -5
Cloudstar specifically says that he's waiting for a "strong cat, a leader" who bears no taint of the betrayal. So...he might not even get the dreams?
You could interpret "leader" in different ways. After all, Fire isn't a leader yet in this AU, but you said he was going on the sun-drown place journey, and he'd be a natural leader of that group. So, he's a "future leader" in a sense...or a leader in the sense he has the natural charisma of one.
This is true. But who would die in Firestar’s place to the rats? More potential SkyClan cats dying could harm morale so would it be Sandstorm instead, which leads into other problems.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 20, 2021 21:50:27 GMT -5
Also what would Squirrelpaw be doing since Brambleclaw doesn’t exist?
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 20, 2021 22:02:29 GMT -5
Also what would Squirrelpaw be doing since Brambleclaw doesn’t exist? Giving Dustpelt a migraine, naturally.
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Post by briarfrost on Sept 21, 2021 9:55:32 GMT -5
You could interpret "leader" in different ways. After all, Fire isn't a leader yet in this AU, but you said he was going on the sun-drown place journey, and he'd be a natural leader of that group. So, he's a "future leader" in a sense...or a leader in the sense he has the natural charisma of one.
This is true. But who would die in Firestar’s place to the rats? More potential SkyClan cats dying could harm morale so would it be Sandstorm instead, which leads into other problems. I assume Fireheart would want to speak with Bluestar for permission to go, especially since Sandstorm is tagging along. In that case, maybe Bluestar would permit another warrior or two—I could see Graystipe especially going and dying to the rats, which…is sad but not as disastrous prophecy-wise. Or maybe Bluestar herself would go and die. Actually, I think that would be the most interesting in terms of plot and characters. The Clan would probably not be happy that Fireheart’s quest indirectly killed their leader, which might then make Redstar less inclined to listen to him the next time around, so he has to sneak off for the sun-drown place!
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 22, 2021 18:53:49 GMT -5
This is true. But who would die in Firestar’s place to the rats? More potential SkyClan cats dying could harm morale so would it be Sandstorm instead, which leads into other problems. I assume Fireheart would want to speak with Bluestar for permission to go, especially since Sandstorm is tagging along. In that case, maybe Bluestar would permit another warrior or two—I could see Graystipe especially going and dying to the rats, which…is sad but not as disastrous prophecy-wise. Or maybe Bluestar herself would go and die. Actually, I think that would be the most interesting in terms of plot and characters. The Clan would probably not be happy that Fireheart’s quest indirectly killed their leader, which might then make Redstar less inclined to listen to him the next time around, so he has to sneak off for the sun-drown place! Very true! Maybe I'll come back, but for now I'm afraid poor old SkyClan gets put on the backburner. Here are the altered allegiances for Midnight: Yes I copy-pasted the descriptions but formatting was a pain in the neck and I had to cross check the descriptions...uh, just tell me if I made any mistakes. Thunderclan:Leader: Redstar—small tortoiseshell tom with a distinctive ginger tail.
Deputy: Whitestorm-big white tom.
Medicine Cat: Ashfur-pale gray (with darker flecks) tom, dark blue eyes
Apprentice, Leafpaw
Warriors: Runningwind-swift tabby tom.
Ravenfoot-sleek black cat with a white-tipped tail.
Cinderpelt-dark gray she-cat.
Fireheart-handsome ginger tom.
Swiftfoot-black-and-white tom.
(NOTE: The allegiances are almost identical from here on save for Brindleface in the elder's den, so read at your own discretion)
Mousefur-small dusky brown she-cat Apprentice, Spiderpaw
Dustpelt-dark brown tabby tom
Apprentice, Squirrelpaw
Sandstorm-pale ginger she-cat
Apprentice, Sorrelpaw
Cloudtail-long-haired white tom
Brackenfur-golden brown tabby tom
Apprentice, Whitepaw
Thornclaw-golden brown tabby tom
Apprentice, Shrewpaw
Brightheart-white she-cat with ginger patches
Rainwhisker-dark gray tom with blue eyes
Sootfur-lighter gray tom with amber eyes
Apprentices:
Sorrelpaw-tortoiseshell and white she-cat with amber eyes
Squirrelpaw-dark ginger she-cat with green eyes
Leafpaw-light brown tabby she-cat with amber eyes and white paws
Spiderpaw-long-limbed black tom with brown underbelly and amber eyes
Shrewpaw-small dark brown tom with amber eyes
Whitepaw-white she-cat with green eyes
Queens: Goldenflower-pale ginger coat, the oldest nursery queen
Ferncloud-pale gray (with darker flecks) she-cat, green eyes
Elders:
Frostfur-beautiful white she-cat with blue eyes
Brindleface-pretty tabby.
Dappletail-once-pretty tortoiseshell she-cat, the oldest cat in ThunderClan
Speckletail-pale tabby she-cat
Longtail-pale tabby tom with dark black stripes, retired early due to failing sight ShadowClan Leader: Rowanstar-brown-and-cream she-cat
Deputy: Russet-dark ginger she-cat (Flintfang would've gone to the elder's den soon, and Russetfur is still the best candidate in this alternate timeline)
Medicine cat(s): Runningnose-small gray-and-white tom
Warriors:
Oakfur-small brown tom
Apprentice, Smokepaw
Cedarheart-dark gray tom
Rownclaw-ginger tom. Apprentice, Talonpaw
Tallpoppy-long-legged light brown tabby she-cat Leader: Leopardstar-unusually spotted golden tabby she-cat
Deputy: Stonefur-gray tom, battle-scarred ears
Medicine cat(s): Mudfur-long-haired light brown tom
Warriors:
Mistyfoot-gray she-cat with blue eyes
Blackclaw-smoky black tom
Heavystep-thickset tabby tom
Stormfur-dark gray tom with amber eyes
Feathertail-light gray she-cat with blue eyes
Mosspelt-tortoiseshell-and-white she-cat
Apprentice, Swallowpaw (dark brown tabby she-cat with green eyes)
Queens: Dawnflower-pale gray she-cat
Skyheart-pale brown tabby she-cat
Elders: Shadepelt-very dark gray she-cat
Loudbelly-dark brown tom So, now we have to deal with Mothwing and Hawkfrost's nonexistence as well. Leader: Tallstar-elderly black-and-white tom with a very long tail
Deputy: Mudclaw-mottled dark brown tom
Apprentice, Crowpaw-dark smoky gray, almost black, tom with blue eyes
Medicine cat(s)Barkface-short-tailed brown tom
Warriors:
Onewhisker-brown tabby tom
Gorsefoot- (Congratulations Gorsefoot, have a happy life in backgrounddom. Sorry for the snark, I really am happy for him, but I can't find any reason why he would have relevance-maybe a bit in Starlight-at least he'll have some peace and quiet)
Webfoot-dark gray tabby tom
Tornear-tabby tom
Whitetail-small white she-cat
Elders: Morningflower-tortoiseshell she-cat
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 22, 2021 20:30:54 GMT -5
Ah, Rowanberry! (You may need to make a note that is who she is because I had blanked. ) Mothwing not being there is an issue. Unless Mudfur just dies and another medicine cat will have to move in or be trained briefly in RC. (Although given his time of death before the Clans leave… That is also concerning…)
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 22, 2021 20:50:58 GMT -5
Ah, Rowanberry! (You may need to make a note that is who she is because I had blanked. ) Mothwing not being there is an issue. Unless Mudfur just dies and another medicine cat will have to move in or be trained briefly in RC. (Although given his time of death before the Clans leave… That is also concerning…) I could've sworn he died in Sunset. Lemme check.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 22, 2021 20:55:37 GMT -5
He dies in Dawn. Although he does appear to Leafpool in Sunset wondering if he made the right choice since Mothwing doesn’t believe in StarClan and can’t find the herbs she needs.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 22, 2021 22:57:28 GMT -5
He dies in Dawn. Although he does appear to Leafpool in Sunset wondering if he made the right choice since Mothwing doesn’t believe in StarClan and can’t find the herbs she needs. Aah. May have another Puddleshine-Scenario.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 22, 2021 23:10:17 GMT -5
True! I can see him gaining a random RC apprentice in Midnight or Moonrise, since even Mothwing isn’t an option here.
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 22, 2021 23:10:40 GMT -5
Since RC having to grab an apprentice and choose on the road would be very bad for morale…
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 22, 2021 23:33:29 GMT -5
Since RC having to grab an apprentice and choose on the road would be very bad for morale… Of course, by then all the clans are unified, so Willowkit is alive by then, so I’m sure that StarClan could point out a Kit with an affinity for healing and a strong spiritual connection and the other medicine cats could guide her from there.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 28, 2021 20:44:52 GMT -5
This is true. But who would die in Firestar’s place to the rats? More potential SkyClan cats dying could harm morale so would it be Sandstorm instead, which leads into other problems. I assume Fireheart would want to speak with Bluestar for permission to go, especially since Sandstorm is tagging along. In that case, maybe Bluestar would permit another warrior or two—I could see Graystipe especially going and dying to the rats, which…is sad but not as disastrous prophecy-wise. Or maybe Bluestar herself would go and die. Actually, I think that would be the most interesting in terms of plot and characters. The Clan would probably not be happy that Fireheart’s quest indirectly killed their leader, which might then make Redstar less inclined to listen to him the next time around, so he has to sneak off for the sun-drown place! OK I need a bit of help here....supposing the Cloudstar dreams never happened, and Fireheart and Rowanclaw went in Tawnypelt and Brambleclaw's place, what would you say would be different? I can't figure anything besides maybe Squirrelpaw finding it less interesting to follow her father around then Brambleclaw, and some more specific elements. What do you think?
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Post by Katanaheart on Sept 28, 2021 22:00:19 GMT -5
I assume Fireheart would want to speak with Bluestar for permission to go, especially since Sandstorm is tagging along. In that case, maybe Bluestar would permit another warrior or two—I could see Graystipe especially going and dying to the rats, which…is sad but not as disastrous prophecy-wise. Or maybe Bluestar herself would go and die. Actually, I think that would be the most interesting in terms of plot and characters. The Clan would probably not be happy that Fireheart’s quest indirectly killed their leader, which might then make Redstar less inclined to listen to him the next time around, so he has to sneak off for the sun-drown place! OK I need a bit of help here....supposing the Cloudstar dreams never happened, and Fireheart and Rowanclaw went in Tawnypelt and Brambleclaw's place, what would you say would be different? I can't figure anything besides maybe Squirrelpaw finding it less interesting to follow her father around then Brambleclaw, and some more specific elements. What do you think? Fireheart acts very differently from Brambleclaw, so that would need to be taken into account. Rowanclaw might be very against this line of thinking due to Fireheart being more willing to go through Twoleg Places, stay with Purdy. Frankly there’s a good chance they could miss the Tribe entirely since the option was either the mountains or Twoleg Place.
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Post by Rainstorm1026 on Sept 28, 2021 22:36:25 GMT -5
OK I need a bit of help here....supposing the Cloudstar dreams never happened, and Fireheart and Rowanclaw went in Tawnypelt and Brambleclaw's place, what would you say would be different? I can't figure anything besides maybe Squirrelpaw finding it less interesting to follow her father around then Brambleclaw, and some more specific elements. What do you think? Fireheart acts very differently from Brambleclaw, so that would need to be taken into account. Rowanclaw might be very against this line of thinking due to Fireheart being more willing to go through Twoleg Places, stay with Purdy. Frankly there’s a good chance they could miss the Tribe entirely since the option was either the mountains or Twoleg Place. I thought Midnight was the one who encouraged them to return through the mountains.
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