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Post by Chicken on Jul 31, 2021 11:30:44 GMT -5
Is there anything you missed while reading the series that might be a little bit embarrassing? Here are a few of mine.
1. I completely missed the existence of Darkstripe, when Firestar was saying that he was giving apprentices to the two cats who seemed to dislike him the most, he said Darkstripe and Dustpelt, and I was at a total loss at who Darkstripe even was. I did not remember him at all.
2. I missed both Cinderpelt and Spottedleaf's crushes on Firestar.
3. I don't remember any of Tigerheart and Dovewing's relationship minus Tigerheart's Shadow. I really don't, a lot of people say how dramatic and drawn out it is, but for me it's just not there.
4. On the same note, everything to do with the ancients, 90% of it is just..blank.
5. Pretty much the same as number one, but I also forgot Mudclaw existed until Tallstar replaced him with Onestar.
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Post by Aqua on Jul 31, 2021 12:35:25 GMT -5
I'm not going to call these embarrassing because I don't really care what people think about them, but I'll list some of mine.
1. I used to make a bunch of Ivypool topics to piss people off back in 2018. I felt genuinely attacked from many people because I never felt respected on the forums or fourtrees because I didn't like her then, and I know many people on that server talked shit about me because of it. So out of spite, I made multiple Ivypool topics about how much I hated her and how I felt she didn't deserve the credit her fans give her. But, after having time away from the forums and leaving the server, I began to read the books again and grew more fond of Ivypool. I still don't like how many of her fans give her so much praise and complain about how little Dovewing does for everything, but I can like Ivypool again without letting other things get to me these days. I really don't care what people think or how they feel about my opinion on Dovewing, I know some people talked crap about that behind my back too, but I've grown and matured and now I'm enjoying talking about these two again like it should have been. People take these books too seriously. They're just fictional cats. I don't get mad because of the cat characters; I couldn't care less if you even want Dovewing dead. What I care about is how people treat me or my friends because of the characters, not your opinion on them.
2. This one, however, I do find to be a little bit embarrasing. I used to make a character based on Mapleshade. She was called Whiteheart, who was supposed to be well respected in the Dark Forest because everyone feared her. I loved Mapleshade before I realized how terrible of a character she really was, so I was heavily inspired by her to create my own OC Whiteheart.
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Post by Chicken on Jul 31, 2021 12:57:53 GMT -5
AquaI don't blame you for the first one, you're not the only one who did something out of spite due to crap talking people did. They constantly complained about how I made posts about characters and stuff no one talked about, so I decided to start making posts about something that was even more irrelevant and less cared about than the background characters in this fandom and that's tunneling. I agree that these books are taken way too seriously, like sometimes people base their whole thoughts on you based on your thoughts of just a single character. That's what I care about too, like I have friends who disagree on a lot of characters, I have a friend who loves Leafpool, I can't stand her, I have another friend who hates Hawkheart, he's my favorite medicine cat, I have another friend who loves POT, it's probably my least favorite arc. On the other hand, I have some people who I can't stand, but I agree with a lot of their points. I really like Whiteheart's name, it's cool that it's not a generic edgy name like a lot of villains have.
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Post by Chicken on Jul 31, 2021 13:14:54 GMT -5
I thought of another one, I didn't read Bramblestar's Storm (or any of the other SEs/novellas) before starting AVOS, and I thought that Stormcloud was Stormfur who joined ThunderClan, because I honestly forgot Stormfur's name, which is pretty dumb of me since he was named after Stonefur.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 31, 2021 16:00:47 GMT -5
My recent reread of the New Prophecy revealed the frighteningly embarrassing fact that I totally missed Feathertail and Crowpaw's relationship in Moonrise. Like, completely. I caught that Crowpaw had an obsessive crush, but Feathertail returning the feeling went completely over my head. For years I was baffled why there were so many FeatherCrow shippers and people who said that relationship was better and more "true love" than LeafCrow. Then I read Moonrise again a few weeks ago and... it's spelled out. Directly, not even implied, and it's pretty integral to the plot. I have no idea how I missed it.
I also missed Cinderpelt's crush on Firestar until Cinderheart mentions it in OotS. Quite honestly, I don't know if it's even there. I haven't read TPB in a long time, and there's no signs of it in TNP so far. This might be a retconned thing. (Then again, I missed FeatherCrow, so maybe I'm just dumb).
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Post by Chicken on Jul 31, 2021 16:02:37 GMT -5
My recent reread of the New Prophecy revealed the frighteningly embarrassing fact that I totally missed Feathertail and Crowpaw's relationship in Moonrise. Like, completely. I caught that Crowpaw had an obsessive crush, but Feathertail returning the feeling went completely over my head. For years I was baffled why there were so many FeatherCrow shippers and people who said that relationship was better and more "true love" than LeafCrow. Then I read Moonrise again a few weeks ago and... it's spelled out. Directly, not even implied, and it's pretty integral to the plot. I have no idea how I missed it. I also missed Cinderpelt's crush on Firestar until Cinderheart mentions it in OotS. Quite honestly, I don't know if it's even there. I haven't read TPB in a long time, and there's no signs of it in TNP so far. This might be a retconned thing. (Then again, I missed FeatherCrow, so maybe I'm just dumb). If I cared enough about Crowfeather's character to actually pay much attention to the scenes he was in, I'd probably have missed it too.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 31, 2021 17:11:08 GMT -5
I don't like Nightcloud but I missed a lot of her good moments in CT and AVOS, embarrassingly enough lol.
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Post by rabbit on Jul 31, 2021 17:11:53 GMT -5
I don't remember most of the series because I have the memory of a goldfish. Particularly dawn of the clans
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Post by fangbranch on Jul 31, 2021 20:08:06 GMT -5
Is there anything you missed while reading the series that might be a little bit embarrassing? Here are a few of mine. 1. I completely missed the existence of Darkstripe, when Firestar was saying that he was giving apprentices to the two cats who seemed to dislike him the most, he said Darkstripe and Dustpelt, and I was at a total loss at who Darkstripe even was. I did not remember him at all. 2. I missed both Cinderpelt and Spottedleaf's crushes on Firestar. 3. I don't remember any of Tigerheart and Dovewing's relationship minus Tigerheart's Shadow. I really don't, a lot of people say how dramatic and drawn out it is, but for me it's just not there. 4. On the same note, everything to do with the ancients, 90% of it is just..blank. 5. Pretty much the same as number one, but I also forgot Mudclaw existed until Tallstar replaced him with Onestar. DUDE!! i totally did that, when i first read into the wild i got darkstripe and dustpelt confused i missed cinders crush, it was a shock to me when it hit me
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Post by kells on Jul 31, 2021 20:22:48 GMT -5
Is there anything you missed while reading the series that might be a little bit embarrassing? Here are a few of mine. 1. I completely missed the existence of Darkstripe, when Firestar was saying that he was giving apprentices to the two cats who seemed to dislike him the most, he said Darkstripe and Dustpelt, and I was at a total loss at who Darkstripe even was. I did not remember him at all. 2. I missed both Cinderpelt and Spottedleaf's crushes on Firestar. 3. I don't remember any of Tigerheart and Dovewing's relationship minus Tigerheart's Shadow. I really don't, a lot of people say how dramatic and drawn out it is, but for me it's just not there. 4. On the same note, everything to do with the ancients, 90% of it is just..blank. 5. Pretty much the same as number one, but I also forgot Mudclaw existed until Tallstar replaced him with Onestar. DUDE!! i totally did that, when i first read into the wild i got darkstripe and dustpelt confused i missed cinders crush, it was a shock to me when it hit me I particularly remember looking for her hints in Rising Storm and I never found them
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 31, 2021 20:32:54 GMT -5
Alot of people miss Cinderpelt's crush, but that's because it's pretty easy to overlook. We do get a few hints, though. For example, in ADP, Fireheart notes that there's tension between her and Sandstorm.
Cinderpelt gets furious after Leafpool tells her that she doesn't know what it's like to be in love in Twilight, and Cinderheart later notes that Cinderpelt had been in love while she and Lionblaze are talking in TFW. It just wasn't confirmed in-universe to be Firestar until pretty recently (at the end of River of Fire. Before that, we just had things like author statements and the guides to go off of.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 31, 2021 21:25:35 GMT -5
I had absolutely no idea until Cinderpelt straight-out told that to Alderheart. And I wanted to rip that page out I thought Eaglewing and Leafshade were both male and Sedgewhisker male. What, FeatherCrow existed?? Why's Feathertail talking like that-? What the heck is happening here? was probably what I thought when I read Feathertail's death scene. I forgot the Ancients thing, the journey in Sunrise, a lot of weird stuff in PoT, other weird stuff in OotS and the beavers... I honestly can't understand when people ask: What's your favorite book in AVoS? because... what... they're just a series to me and they just don't feel... um, they just have to be read together. I don't remember what happened in Darkest Night or Night Whispers. Or anything.
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Post by roseberry on Jul 31, 2021 22:19:55 GMT -5
I cried when Rusty left Smudge This was years ago
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I meannn he left his old best friend
god dang it
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Post by Chicken on Jul 31, 2021 22:22:12 GMT -5
Is there anything you missed while reading the series that might be a little bit embarrassing? Here are a few of mine. 1. I completely missed the existence of Darkstripe, when Firestar was saying that he was giving apprentices to the two cats who seemed to dislike him the most, he said Darkstripe and Dustpelt, and I was at a total loss at who Darkstripe even was. I did not remember him at all. 2. I missed both Cinderpelt and Spottedleaf's crushes on Firestar. 3. I don't remember any of Tigerheart and Dovewing's relationship minus Tigerheart's Shadow. I really don't, a lot of people say how dramatic and drawn out it is, but for me it's just not there. 4. On the same note, everything to do with the ancients, 90% of it is just..blank. 5. Pretty much the same as number one, but I also forgot Mudclaw existed until Tallstar replaced him with Onestar. DUDE!! i totally did that, when i first read into the wild i got darkstripe and dustpelt confused i missed cinders crush, it was a shock to me when it hit me I'm glad I'm not the only one! Though I think I got him confused with Longtail XD I don't remember.
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Post by cygna on Jul 31, 2021 22:45:02 GMT -5
I originally completely missed the fact that Appledusk was a cheater.
I like Juniperclaw.
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Post by Chicken on Jul 31, 2021 23:03:21 GMT -5
I originally completely missed the fact that Appledusk was a cheater. I like Juniperclaw. I really like Juniperclaw too, I think he's a pretty interesting character
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 1, 2021 7:22:34 GMT -5
1. I hated Squirrelflight when she was introduced as an apprentice because she was so very annoying. Until I realized that I'm exactly the same as people in my life tended to roll their eyes or even sighed once I started talking as an overexcited child.
2. I also hated Daisy as a child when she was introduced via that stupid (but thankfully short) love triangle with Cloudtail and Brightheart because those two are still my canon comfort couple in this series. The writers did her dirty with that.
3. I loved Mapleshade and thought that she was completely in the right for murdering those that had wronged her when I was younger. Growing up made me realize that she was destroying herself and should have definitely handled things differently.
4. I really loved Scourge as a teenager because he was so edgy and I'm apparently still not done with that phase just yet. I even painted a clay cat figurine at my last elementary school festival when I was ten years old to look exactly like him.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 1, 2021 7:50:38 GMT -5
My recent reread of the New Prophecy revealed the frighteningly embarrassing fact that I totally missed Feathertail and Crowpaw's relationship in Moonrise. Like, completely. I caught that Crowpaw had an obsessive crush, but Feathertail returning the feeling went completely over my head. For years I was baffled why there were so many FeatherCrow shippers and people who said that relationship was better and more "true love" than LeafCrow. Then I read Moonrise again a few weeks ago and... it's spelled out. Directly, not even implied, and it's pretty integral to the plot. I have no idea how I missed it. I also missed Cinderpelt's crush on Firestar until Cinderheart mentions it in OotS. Quite honestly, I don't know if it's even there. I haven't read TPB in a long time, and there's no signs of it in TNP so far. This might be a retconned thing. (Then again, I missed FeatherCrow, so maybe I'm just dumb).First of all, you are not dumb. The hints about Cinderpelt having a crush on Firestar are there but only implied during both TPB and TNP. However, Firestar is never outright confirmed/named to be the subject of her affection until AVoS where she actually tells it to Alderheart: Cinderpelt: "I loved Firestar, but I chose my duty over the hope that he would love me, and it was the right choice. ThunderClan needs you, Alderheart, just as it needed me. For the future to remain unclouded, medicine cats must choose their duty to their Clan over anything else." Alderheart: "I understand, but it's hard." Cinderpelt: "True, but the rewards are great. And now... now that the five Clans are finally united once more, there will be new challenges. The sky has cleared at last, but the Clans must come together to make the forest grow." —Cinderpelt and Alderheart in River of Fire, page 281 Before that there is only one scene in the first arc where Fireheart (who is usually so dense) picks up on some tension between Cinderpelt and Sandstorm. Other than that Cinderpelt just constantly tells him about how much Sandstorm likes him and how he should forget about Spottedleaf already. Once in Forest of Secrets and then in Rising Storm. In the second arc, it is again just alluded to that Cinderpelt might have had someone she liked in Twilight and this is all there is as indications for the one-sided but nonetheless canon FireCinder crush. I saw a few posts online from years ago where people thought that Littlecloud was her secret love (probably due to shipping and not actual canon evidence) but that was obviously not the case: Cinderpelt: "Of course you have. But a medicine cat has to control those feelings for the good of the Clan. The path we follow has its own rewards. I've never felt cheated by the destiny StarClan sent me." Leafpool: "You can't possibly understand! You've never been in love! It's easy for you. You never wanted anything else." Cinderpelt: "How do you know what I want? How do you know what hopes I gave up to follow the path StarClan laid out for me?" —Cinderpelt's fury towards Leafpool in Twilight, pages 246-247
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 1, 2021 9:01:33 GMT -5
I remember missing Spottedleaf and Firestar thing.
I'm sure there were others, but I'll have to come back on that one.
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Aug 1, 2021 18:48:37 GMT -5
Looking back on the days that I genuinely rooted for Lionblaze/Icecloud. Really. Just inventing ships that didn't exist off of a single comment. My shipper days were embarrassing. MI also missed Cinderpelt's crush on Firestar until Cinderheart mentions it in OotS. Quite honestly, I don't know if it's even there. I haven't read TPB in a long time, and there's no signs of it in TNP so far. This might be a retconned thing. It's pretty there, it's just not explicitly spelled out because Fireheart is anime protagonist levels of dense when it comes to romance and the closest thing you get to a hint in The New Prophecy was when she goes from stern but mostly self-controlled to borderline flipping out on Leafpool when the latter says that she's not being fair and she'd never know what being in love is like. If you want a TPB hint from Cinderpelt, there's a scene in Rising Storm where Fireheart notices that she and Sandstorm are being "quite polite" to each other but he can tell that for some reason that they're actually one or two comments away from leaping at each other. There's also another scene where Sandstorm gets snippy and asks Fireheart if he can "spare the time" from Cinderpelt. The latter scene makes it pretty clear that Sandstorm is jealous of Cinderpelt and indicates that the veiled hostility she exhibits towards Cinderpelt in the former scene is also due to that jealousy. It becomes pretty simple. Sandstorm likes Fireheart. Sandstorm doesn't want other she-cats moving in on her Fireheart. Sandstorm makes that intention clear in her behavior. Cinderpelt exhibits the same behavior right back. Hence the two-sided tension, rather than Sandstorm radiating hostility and Cinderpelt rolling over and taking it or being confused. Why? Because she feels the same way and doesn't want to just roll over. Sandstorm likes Fireheart. Cinderpelt knows that Sandstorm likes Fireheart. Cinderpelt also likes Fireheart. Sandstorm knows that Cinderpelt likes Fireheart. Bam. Tension. Cinderpelt also is the one who spells out for Fireheart that Sandstorm likes him, but it's clearly because she feels that he needs a nudge and she knows well enough that she can't act on whatever attraction she has towards him, even if she would like to. To be fair to Sandstorm, there is some context that makes it fair for her to feel threatened by Cinderpelt. 1) She and Fireheart had a pretty poor relationship to start with, while he and Cinderpelt always got along for as long as they knew each other. 2) Graystripe once commented that Cinderpelt "could always wrap (Fireheart) around her paw", which seems to indicate that he's got a soft spot for her - or, at the very least, indicate that others can legitimately view him as having one for her. Fireheart is pretty blind to any romance that isn't his obsession with one even more obsessed dead tortoiseshell medicine cat until halfway through Rising Storm, but that doesn't stop him from having strong relationships with other she-cats, and Cinderpelt shares the strongest one of all with him.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 1, 2021 21:35:04 GMT -5
I don't remember most of the series because I have the memory of a goldfish. Particularly dawn of the clans You're not the only one. I have the memory of a goldfish that has amnesia, and the attention span of a moth with ADHD. After I'm done reading a book I often have to look up reviews for it just so that I can discover all that I missed in the book. It doesn't help that I'm a lightning fast reader who doesn't take the time to immerse myself into a scene. I also haven't read the series in 4 months (I really need to get back to that) so I've forgotten a lot that happened in TPB. Like, I can remember key plot points and character development and all that, but if you ask me to remember x background relationship or x hint that is given that is more relevant 3 books down the line, forget about it.
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Post by Seven on Aug 2, 2021 1:29:42 GMT -5
Rootspring looks like cat spongebob to me.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 2, 2021 1:30:19 GMT -5
Rootspring looks like cat spongebob to me. XD, I dare you to draw it
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Post by Cuppa Tea on Aug 2, 2021 20:35:56 GMT -5
Looking back on the days that I genuinely rooted for Lionblaze/Icecloud. Really. Just inventing ships that didn't exist off of a single comment. My shipper days were embarrassing. MI also missed Cinderpelt's crush on Firestar until Cinderheart mentions it in OotS. Quite honestly, I don't know if it's even there. I haven't read TPB in a long time, and there's no signs of it in TNP so far. This might be a retconned thing. It's pretty there, it's just not explicitly spelled out because Fireheart is anime protagonist levels of dense when it comes to romance and the closest thing you get to a hint in The New Prophecy was when she goes from stern but mostly self-controlled to borderline flipping out on Leafpool when the latter says that she's not being fair and she'd never know what being in love is like. If you want a TPB hint from Cinderpelt, there's a scene in Rising Storm where Fireheart notices that she and Sandstorm are being "quite polite" to each other but he can tell that for some reason that they're actually one or two comments away from leaping at each other. There's also another scene where Sandstorm gets snippy and asks Fireheart if he can "spare the time" from Cinderpelt. The latter scene makes it pretty clear that Sandstorm is jealous of Cinderpelt and indicates that the veiled hostility she exhibits towards Cinderpelt in the former scene is also due to that jealousy. It becomes pretty simple. Sandstorm likes Fireheart. Sandstorm doesn't want other she-cats moving in on her Fireheart. Sandstorm makes that intention clear in her behavior. Cinderpelt exhibits the same behavior right back. Hence the two-sided tension, rather than Sandstorm radiating hostility and Cinderpelt rolling over and taking it or being confused. Why? Because she feels the same way and doesn't want to just roll over. Sandstorm likes Fireheart. Cinderpelt knows that Sandstorm likes Fireheart. Cinderpelt also likes Fireheart. Sandstorm knows that Cinderpelt likes Fireheart. Bam. Tension. Cinderpelt also is the one who spells out for Fireheart that Sandstorm likes him, but it's clearly because she feels that he needs a nudge and she knows well enough that she can't act on whatever attraction she has towards him, even if she would like to. To be fair to Sandstorm, there is some context that makes it fair for her to feel threatened by Cinderpelt. 1) She and Fireheart had a pretty poor relationship to start with, while he and Cinderpelt always got along for as long as they knew each other. 2) Graystripe once commented that Cinderpelt "could always wrap (Fireheart) around her paw", which seems to indicate that he's got a soft spot for her - or, at the very least, indicate that others can legitimately view him as having one for her. Fireheart is pretty blind to any romance that isn't his obsession with one even more obsessed dead tortoiseshell medicine cat until halfway through Rising Storm, but that doesn't stop him from having strong relationships with other she-cats, and Cinderpelt shares the strongest one of all with him. do you happen to remember what chapters of Rising Storm these scenes were in? I got done reading it a couple of weeks ago and I don’t remember that at all lol. In fact the only interaction between them I can remember is Sandstorm comforting Cinderpelt after Yellowfang was announced dead
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 2, 2021 20:56:59 GMT -5
do you happen to remember what chapters of Rising Storm these scenes were in? I got done reading it a couple of weeks ago and I don’t remember that at all lol. In fact the only interaction between them I can remember is Sandstorm comforting Cinderpelt after Yellowfang was announced dead That's because it wasn't in Rising Storm, it was in A Dangerous Path, at the very end of chapter nine.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 2, 2021 21:08:43 GMT -5
Actually, while I'm at it, here are the rest of the exact quotes. In TDH, we get this scene, which might've been implying that Sandstorm knew of Cinderpelt's feelings for her mate.
This continues even after the first arc, too, like when Cinderpelt attacks Leafpool after the latter says that Cinderpelt will never understand her.
Much later on when Cinderheart says that Cinderpelt had once been in love with a cat she couldn't have.
And then of course, it gets outright confirmed in-universe in RoF.
Honestly, Cinderpelt's love for Firestar always felt incredibly unnecessary.
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Aug 2, 2021 21:49:36 GMT -5
Ah, shit. There are the randomest things that I misattribute to Rising Storm and vice-versa. Thanks for covering me.
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Post by Cuppa Tea on Aug 2, 2021 22:22:16 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 thx for this! I honestly have to agree with you, looking back. having the Fire/Sand/Spotted love triangle was already more than enough. that scene from ADP in particular seems so incredibly ooc for cinderpelt. she learned to stop being resentful of her circumstances early on and i always admired that level of optimism and maturity from her. also the reason why i think cinderheart is an absolutely awful character lol
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 2, 2021 22:40:53 GMT -5
Ah, shit. There are the randomest things that I misattribute to Rising Storm and vice-versa. Thanks for covering me. Sure thing!
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