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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 21, 2021 16:33:57 GMT -5
im bored so i wanna look at genetics. real life cat genetics is hard to understand, but even warrior cats brand of "genetics" is hard too because it's completely random most of the time.
i'll take random pairs and their kits and look down their line to see how the kits came out based on ancestor genes/traits.
this is just for fun and its not gonna make sense with real life cat genetics, so its gonna be a bunch of nonsense lol
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firestar (solid ginger; green eyes) & sandstorm (solid pale ginger; green eyes) squirrelflight (dark solid ginger; green eyes; one white forepaw) & leafpool (pale brown tabby; amber eyes; white chest & paws)
firestar's parents: jake (ginger tabby; green eyes) & nutmeg (brown tabby with white [unspecified parts]) firestar's grandma: crystal (ginger and white [unspecified pattern or parts])
leafpool takes after nutmeg and gets her white parts from both crystal (through jake) and nutmeg (directly through her father) squirrelflight takes after firestar, jake, and gets her white paw from nutmeg and crystal (who have white parts)
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leafpool (pale brown tabby; amber eyes; white chest & paws) & crowfeather (solid dark gray [almost black]; blue eyes) lionblaze (golden tabby [described as sun-colored; presumabley more yellow than brown]; amber eyes), hollyleaf (solid black; green eyes) & jayfeather (pale gray tabby; blue eyes)
lionblaze gets his golden color through sandstorm who is pale ginger (cream is closest to being "golden" in real life cat genetics). his tabby stripes come from leafpool (whose come from nutmeg). his great grandparents through ashfoot were both brown.
hollyleaf takes after crowfeather (black fur), and her grandpa deadfoot (black fur). her green eyes come from leafpool's side (through both firestar and sandstorm).
jayfeather takes after his grandma ashfoot (pale gray color), while getting his tabby stripes through leafpool. both ashfoot and crowfeather have blue eyes. he also takes after his grandpa deadfoot's mother, meadowslip (pale gray color).
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 21, 2021 19:25:34 GMT -5
Brackenfur(golden-brown tabby with amber eyes) & Sorreltail (tortoiseshell-and-white she-cat with amber eyes, a white chest and paws) But they have too many so I'll just do their first litter.
Cinderheart(smoky gray tabby she-cat with dark blue eyes) Well Cinderpelt is a smoky dark gray she-cat with pale blue eyes, so Cinderheart got her gray features and blue eyes from there, and her father's tabby genes.
Honeyfern(dappled light brown tabby she-cat with blue eyes) Honeyfern got her blue eyes from her aunt(s), since Brightheart probably counts. Okay, Harepounce, her great great grandmother is a light brown she-cat. Brackenfur gave her the tabby markings.
Poppyfrost(dappled pale tortoiseshell-and-white she-cat) Sorreltail. Whew
Molepaw(black and gray tom) Smallear, his great grandfather is a gray tom. Stagleap is, too. Ugh do tortoiseshells have black? I think they do
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 19:48:34 GMT -5
I'll do Tawnypelt x Rowanstar's family.
Tawnypelt - dilute (or carries dilute from Goldenflower) tortoiseshell, meaning she has both the black and red color genes.
Rowanstar - ginger tabby (judging from the fact that his brother is grey, he more than likely carries the dilute gene)
Tigerheart - got the black color gene from Tawnypelt, the tabby gene makes him a brown tabby, basically, if he didn't have the tabby gene, he'd be a solid black cat like Spireclaw or someone.
Dawnpelt - got a copy of the red color gene from both Tawnypelt and Rowanstar, unlike toms, who only get their main color (not tabby, dilute, etc, just the main color) from their mother, she-cats need a copy of the color gene from both parents. She is cream because of the dilute genes that both her parents carry. Flametail - Since Tawnypelt is a tortoiseshell, she was also able to have a red son.
I know you didn't exactly ask for real-life genetics, but I find it fun, and I couldn't think of anything else XD
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 21, 2021 19:53:49 GMT -5
Rainsplashit'd get real messy if we tried to do the arc 1 cats because like...solid gray cats gave birth to calicos or torties, or whatever else that doesnt make any sense! swiftbreeze and adderfang r both brown tabbies, and yet they gave birth to gray cats, a calico, tortie, and a black and white cat...theres no kind of fantasy genetics to explain any of those lmao
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 21, 2021 19:54:19 GMT -5
I'll do Tawnypelt x Rowanstar's family. Tawnypelt - dilute (or carries dilute from Goldenflower) tortoiseshell, meaning she has both the black and red color genes. Rowanstar - ginger tabby (judging from the fact that his brother is grey, he more than likely carries the dilute gene) Tigerheart - got the black color gene from Tawnypelt, the tabby gene makes him a brown tabby, basically, if he didn't have the tabby gene, he'd be a solid black cat like Spireclaw or someone. Dawnpelt - got a copy of the red color gene from both Tawnypelt and Rowanstar, unlike toms, who only get their main color (not tabby, dilute, etc, just the main color) from their mother, she-cats need a copy of the color gene from both parents. She is cream because of the dilute genes that both her parents carry. Flametail - Since Tawnypelt is a tortoiseshell, she was also able to have a red son. I know you didn't exactly ask for real-life genetics, but I find it fun, and I couldn't think of anything else XD tawny x rowan kits r the best! arent they the closest to genetically correct?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 20:11:20 GMT -5
I'll do Tawnypelt x Rowanstar's family. Tawnypelt - dilute (or carries dilute from Goldenflower) tortoiseshell, meaning she has both the black and red color genes. Rowanstar - ginger tabby (judging from the fact that his brother is grey, he more than likely carries the dilute gene) Tigerheart - got the black color gene from Tawnypelt, the tabby gene makes him a brown tabby, basically, if he didn't have the tabby gene, he'd be a solid black cat like Spireclaw or someone. Dawnpelt - got a copy of the red color gene from both Tawnypelt and Rowanstar, unlike toms, who only get their main color (not tabby, dilute, etc, just the main color) from their mother, she-cats need a copy of the color gene from both parents. She is cream because of the dilute genes that both her parents carry. Flametail - Since Tawnypelt is a tortoiseshell, she was also able to have a red son. I know you didn't exactly ask for real-life genetics, but I find it fun, and I couldn't think of anything else XD tawny x rowan kits r the best! arent they the closest to genetically correct? I'm 99% sure they're all genetically correct! There's also Mintfur and Sagenose who are genetically correct. Quiet Rain is grey right? If her mate is grey/carries the dilute gene and one of them is a tabby, then Clear Sky, Gray Wing, and Jagged Peak will be genetically correct. Berryheart x Sparrowtail's kits are genetically correct There are probably more
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 21, 2021 21:12:39 GMT -5
Rainsplash it'd get real messy if we tried to do the arc 1 cats because like...solid gray cats gave birth to calicos or torties, or whatever else that doesnt make any sense! swiftbreeze and adderfang r both brown tabbies, and yet they gave birth to gray cats, a calico, tortie, and a black and white cat...theres no kind of fantasy genetics to explain any of those lmao People will go crazy trying to find out the "logic" behind them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 21:18:11 GMT -5
Rainsplash it'd get real messy if we tried to do the arc 1 cats because like...solid gray cats gave birth to calicos or torties, or whatever else that doesnt make any sense! swiftbreeze and adderfang r both brown tabbies, and yet they gave birth to gray cats, a calico, tortie, and a black and white cat...theres no kind of fantasy genetics to explain any of those lmao People will go crazy trying to find out the "logic" behind them They could have grey cats assuming they both carry the dilute gene. Black and white if one of them has has white on them, and they both carry the solid gene. Oh, since tabby is dominant, two tabbies can have a solid, but two solids can't have a tabby. As for calico/tortie, that can't happen unless the mother is a hidden tortie? I forgot the exact term, but in this case, Swiftbreeze would have a small spot of ginger on her somewhere
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 21:25:16 GMT -5
tawny x rowan kits r the best! arent they the closest to genetically correct? I'm 99% sure they're all genetically correct! There's also Mintfur and Sagenose who are genetically correct. Quiet Rain is grey right? If her mate is grey/carries the dilute gene and one of them is a tabby, then Clear Sky, Gray Wing, and Jagged Peak will be genetically correct. Berryheart x Sparrowtail's kits are genetically correct There are probably more Yeah, all of TawnyRowan’s kits are accurate as long as Tawny and Rowan both carry dilute and possibly as long as Rowan carries non-tabby (since I don’t know whether Dawnpelt and Flametail are actually genetically tabbies or not). This is also assuming that Tigerheart is a black-based tabby rather than a brown-based one (so black stripes), because technically I don’t think his stripe color has been stated, but the dark brown tabbies are generally interpreted as having black stripes, so I assume he is (it could technically still work even if he is genetically brown as long as both of his parents carry it). So yeah, accurate, except for Flametail’s blue eyes. As for the PetalRain kits, I’m just going to ignore Petalnose and Mintfur’s blue eyes, but otherwise Mintfur and Sagenose are accurate as long as you assume that Rainfur’s “flecked” description means he’s a spotted tabby, because Mintfur’s a tabby. Quiet Rain’s kits (including Fluttering Bird too) can be correct as long as her mate is a black/brown tabby and carries non-tabby and dilute (as well as carrying brown if he’s black), and as long as she carries brown. (Again I’m ignoring the gray cats with blue eyes.) The BerrySparrow kits can only work if they both carry dilute (since Needletail is gray) and, as long as Berryheart carries brown, they’re good. So basically, you’re pretty much right! Edit: fixed a mistake with BerrySparrow’s kits
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 21:30:47 GMT -5
Ivyfalcon They have to be tabbies, red cats are ALWAYS tabbies. Some look like they're solids, but they're actually like hidden tabbies or whatever. It's genetically impossible for a red cat to not be a tabby. Sparrowpelt has a grey sister and I think mother, and Berryheart has a grey father and siblings, so they both carry grey, making Needletail. I forgot about Fluttering Bird XD
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 21:38:12 GMT -5
People will go crazy trying to find out the "logic" behind them They could have grey cats assuming they both carry the dilute gene. Black and white if one of them has has white on them, and they both carry the solid gene. Oh, since tabby is dominant, two tabbies can have a solid, but two solids can't have a tabby. As for calico/tortie, that can't happen unless the mother is a hidden tortie? I forgot the exact term, but in this case, Swiftbreeze would have a small spot of ginger on her somewhere SwiftAdder could have Leopardfoot as long as either Swiftbreeze is a genetically black/gray tabby (her color is technically never stated, just that she’s “tabby and white”) or Adderfang is a genetically black tabby, which is likely considering he’s a dark brown tabby. Patchpelt, again, is fine as long as one of the parents is genetically black/gray (assuming Swiftbreeze isn’t a ginger tabby). Willowpelt is fine as long as, again, one of the parents is black/gray and they both carry dilute (or if Swiftbreeze is dilute). Swiftbreeze and Adderfang also both need to carry non-tabby for several (if not all) of their kits to work. Redtail, realistically, would have to be a chimera or something similar, but for a chimera that would mean Swiftbreeze would have to be a tortoiseshell (as she’d need to be able to have both black and ginger toms) which she could be I guess since her base color isn’t mentioned (as far as I know). The term you were thinking of is cryptic tortoiseshell, by the way. Again, Spottedleaf works fine as long as Swiftbreeze is a tortie.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 21:40:51 GMT -5
Ivyfalcon They have to be tabbies, red cats are ALWAYS tabbies. Some look like they're solids, but they're actually like hidden tabbies or whatever. It's genetically impossible for a red cat to not be a tabby. Sparrowpelt has a grey sister and I think mother, and Berryheart has a grey father and siblings, so they both carry grey, making Needletail. I forgot about Fluttering Bird XD No, how it works is they always show tabby markings regardless of whether or not they actually have the gene. So they can be genetically non-tabbies but still look tabby, or they can actually be tabbies. I know their appearances are going to be tabby, but I don’t know if they actually have the gene or not. Oh wait, yeah, sorry, I said the wrong thing on BerrySparrow, Needletail’s fine as long as they both carry dilute.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 21:53:35 GMT -5
Ivyfalcon They have to be tabbies, red cats are ALWAYS tabbies. Some look like they're solids, but they're actually like hidden tabbies or whatever. It's genetically impossible for a red cat to not be a tabby. Sparrowpelt has a grey sister and I think mother, and Berryheart has a grey father and siblings, so they both carry grey, making Needletail. I forgot about Fluttering Bird XD No, how it works is they always show tabby markings regardless of whether or not they actually have the gene. So they can be genetically non-tabbies but still look tabby, or they can actually be tabbies. I know their appearances are going to be tabby, but I don’t know if they actually have the gene or not. Oh wait, yeah, sorry, I said the wrong thing on BerrySparrow, Needletail’s fine as long as they both carry dilute. Are you absolutely sure?
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 21:57:20 GMT -5
No, how it works is they always show tabby markings regardless of whether or not they actually have the gene. So they can be genetically non-tabbies but still look tabby, or they can actually be tabbies. I know their appearances are going to be tabby, but I don’t know if they actually have the gene or not. Oh wait, yeah, sorry, I said the wrong thing on BerrySparrow, Needletail’s fine as long as they both carry dilute. Are you absolutely sure? I’m not 100% sure, but that is how I learned it (from the internet). I can’t find the source though, I’ll keep looking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 22:02:08 GMT -5
I’m not 100% sure, but that is how I learned it (from the internet). I can’t find the source though, I’ll keep looking. Cool! Good luck finding a definite answer XD
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 22:07:10 GMT -5
@juniperclaw From messybeast.com/self-solid.htmWhat I’m fairly sure this is saying is that red cats can have the non-tabby gene but it just doesn’t affect red pigment so they still appear tabby even though they are genetically non-tabby. I remembered this must also be true because of tortoiseshell cats. Some are genetically non-tabby, as their black (or whatever other black series color) areas aren’t striped, but the red/cream areas are because red just always shows tabby patterning regardless. True tabby tortoiseshells will have striping on the black series color patches too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 22:22:33 GMT -5
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 22:29:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m pretty sure both of those are saying what I described above. Logically it shouldn’t be possible anyway, due to the law of independent assortment. However, theoretically, the genes could be linked, if they’re close enough to each other on the same chromosome. However, this wouldn’t even guarantee them to be inherited together 100% of the time, just most of the time (percentage varies depending on exactly how close they are). However, I know this is not true because the genes are not on the same chromosome; red/black is on the X chromosome and tabby is not X-linked. Therefore, all red cats show tabby markings but they will not always carry the tabby gene, as that is basically impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 22:33:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m pretty sure both of those are saying what I described above. Logically it shouldn’t be possible anyway, due to the law of independent assortment. However, theoretically, the genes could be linked, if they’re close enough to each other on the same chromosome. However, this wouldn’t even guarantee them to be inherited together 100% of the time, just most of the time (percentage varies depending on exactly how close they are). However, I know this is not true because the genes are not on the same chromosome; red/black is on the X chromosome and tabby is not X-linked. Therefore, all red cats show tabby markings but they will not always carry the tabby gene, as that is basically impossible. I think something is being misunderstood here. This pretty much says the opposite of what you said, or maybe it's the same, don't listen to me. It's not like I have any brains for much.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 22:40:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m pretty sure both of those are saying what I described above. Logically it shouldn’t be possible anyway, due to the law of independent assortment. However, theoretically, the genes could be linked, if they’re close enough to each other on the same chromosome. However, this wouldn’t even guarantee them to be inherited together 100% of the time, just most of the time (percentage varies depending on exactly how close they are). However, I know this is not true because the genes are not on the same chromosome; red/black is on the X chromosome and tabby is not X-linked. Therefore, all red cats show tabby markings but they will not always carry the tabby gene, as that is basically impossible. I think something is being misunderstood here. This pretty much says the opposite of what you said, or maybe it's the same, don't listen to me. It's not like I have any brains for much. The first quote is the same thing I posted initially. Basically, when it says “all red cats are tabby” it means appearance-wise (phenotype) but not genetically (genotype). How I know that is because it talks about the non-agouti (non-tabby) gene not working on red cats, which means that the non-tabby gene is present, however, its effect on red pigment is simply different than its effect on black pigment, so it doesn’t fully inhibit the tabby pattern from appearing. Think of tabby as the “original” pattern, and the non-tabby gene as “covering it up,” which works fine on eumelanin (black) pigment but just not as great on phaeomelanin (red) pigment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 22:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 22:43:37 GMT -5
Sorry if any of this comes off as rude or anything, I’m not trying to be. I was just legitimately trying to figure this out too, because I always thought it was this way, but if I’m wrong I’d like to know, and thoroughly prove it one way or another so I can apply the correct knowledge to cat genetics in the future. I can try to find more clear explanations also, if you’d like, cause I know neither of those sites are very clear honestly, and it took me a minute to figure out exactly what they meant there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 22:45:47 GMT -5
Sorry if any of this comes off as rude or anything, I’m not trying to be. I was just legitimately trying to figure this out too, because I always thought it was this way, but if I’m wrong I’d like to know, and thoroughly prove it one way or another so I can apply the correct knowledge to cat genetics in the future. I can try to find more clear explanations also, if you’d like, cause I know neither of those sites are very clear honestly, and it took me a minute to figure out exactly what they meant there. I always thought that all red cats were genetically tabbies :/ Is there anyone who actually knows this stuff here? XD Like..are super into this?
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 22:49:33 GMT -5
Sorry if any of this comes off as rude or anything, I’m not trying to be. I was just legitimately trying to figure this out too, because I always thought it was this way, but if I’m wrong I’d like to know, and thoroughly prove it one way or another so I can apply the correct knowledge to cat genetics in the future. I can try to find more clear explanations also, if you’d like, cause I know neither of those sites are very clear honestly, and it took me a minute to figure out exactly what they meant there. I always thought that all red cats were genetically tabbies :/ Is there anyone who actually knows this stuff here? XD Like..are super into this? I mean, I am. I’ve taken genetics classes before too. Which is why I thought I knew, but then I doubted myself for a second, but now after research and thinking it through I’m fairly confident again. I just checked a cat book I have and it says: A = tabby a = non-tabby
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 21, 2021 23:13:01 GMT -5
dang u guys r experts lmao. i wish i could understand more aspects of real life cat genetics.
warriors version of genetics is hilarious. my favorite is clear sky (pale gray) and storm (gray tabby) producing the ginger thunder lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 23:22:26 GMT -5
dang u guys r experts lmao. i wish i could understand more aspects of real life cat genetics. warriors version of genetics is hilarious. my favorite is clear sky (pale gray) and storm (gray tabby) producing the ginger thunder lol. Thunder broke like every genetic code in the book XD First of all, he's dense, both of his parents are dilute. He has white on him, both of his parents are solid. He's read, both of his parents are grey. Is there anything about him that is genetically correct? Well...he is a cat at least..I think...
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 21, 2021 23:48:44 GMT -5
dang u guys r experts lmao. i wish i could understand more aspects of real life cat genetics. warriors version of genetics is hilarious. my favorite is clear sky (pale gray) and storm (gray tabby) producing the ginger thunder lol. Thunder broke like every genetic code in the book XD First of all, he's dense, both of his parents are dilute. He has white on him, both of his parents are solid. He's read, both of his parents are grey. Is there anything about him that is genetically correct? Well...he is a cat at least..I think... I guess if Storm were a cryptic tortoiseshell, one thing about him would work, but that still doesn’t fix the dense/dilute OR white spotting problems XD
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 21, 2021 23:57:01 GMT -5
I decided to do whole generations, though I had to stretch some of them to make it work. Moonflower gets her yellow eyes from her mother Daisytoe and Goosefeather gets his blue ones from Rooktail. Both Moonflower and Goosefeather are also gray, which presumably comes from Daisytoe.
Bluestar, and by extension, Mistystar and Stonefur, all take after Stormtail in both fur and eye color. Mosskit takes after her grandmother Daisytoe in her of her fur while inheriting her blue eyes from Bluestar.
Reedwhisker and Perchkit both take after their father Blackclaw in terms of pelt color, but Reedwhisker gets his gray eyes from. Pikepaw meanwhile is gray, just like his great grandparents Shellheart and Rainflower, while Primrosepaw is pale brown like her aunt Skyheart, albeit more creamy.
Moving onto Snowfur, she has a white pelt, likely inherited from Daisytoe. The blue eyes are from Stormtail. Her son Whitestorm has her white coat, but gets his yellow eyes from Moonflower and ear tufts from his half-uncle Tawnyspots, who inherited his dark gray pelt from his father Windflight, who takes after his own father, Eaglestorm.
Whitestorm's first mate was Brindleface, who gets her graypelt from her father Fuzzypelt, though hers is lighter than his. Her kits all inherit her gray fur, though Elderkit's is much darker.
Willowpelt meanwhile is gray, which we can assume came from Daisytoe. Her sons Sootfur and Rainwhisker are also gray, though much darker.
With the exception of Foxleap, Ferncloud's sons as well as Hollykit and Larchkit all resemble Dustpelt, who is brown like Robinwing. Foxleap however is ginger, which presumably also came from Robinwing, what with that ginger patch and all. Icewing meanwhile is white like her great aunt Frostfur.
Dovewing and Ivypool take after Ferncloud's side of the family.
Bristlefrost and Thriftear both take after her mother while Flipclaw is brown like Dustpelt.
Shadowsight is dark gray like his great uncle Cedarheart, while Pouncestep has Dovewing's gray coat and Ivypool's tabby stripes, but her father's eyes. Lightleap also resembles her father Tigerstar the most.
Poppyfrost is a tortoiseshell like her mother Sorreltail while Honeyfern resembles Brackenfur, who takes after Lionheart, who takes after Speckletail, who in turn takes after Harepounce. Cinderheart resembles Cinderpelt, of course, with Cinderpelt herself taking after her grandfather Smallear. Molepaw takes after Fuzzypelt, Seedpaw resembles Brackenfur, and Lilyheart gets her gray coat from Cinderpelt.
Cherryfall is ginger like Flashnose while Molewhisker has cream on him, like Daisy and Berrynose.
Honeyfur gets her yellow splotches from Brackenfur, Leafshade is a tortoiseshell like Sorreltail, and Larksong is black is Fuzzypelt. His son Flamepaw takes after him, while Finchpaw also takes after Sorreltail. Flickerkit takes after both his parents.
Sparkpelt herself is ginger like Squirrelflight and is said to be the spitting image of her grandfather Firestar, who resembles Jake, who gets his ginger coat from Crystal.
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Post by Flanoir on Jul 22, 2021 5:50:59 GMT -5
I think something is being misunderstood here. This pretty much says the opposite of what you said, or maybe it's the same, don't listen to me. It's not like I have any brains for much. The first quote is the same thing I posted initially. Basically, when it says “all red cats are tabby” it means appearance-wise (phenotype) but not genetically (genotype). How I know that is because it talks about the non-agouti (non-tabby) gene not working on red cats, which means that the non-tabby gene is present, however, its effect on red pigment is simply different than its effect on black pigment, so it doesn’t fully inhibit the tabby pattern from appearing. Think of tabby as the “original” pattern, and the non-tabby gene as “covering it up,” which works fine on eumelanin (black) pigment but just not as great on phaeomelanin (red) pigment. Hey. Cat genetics freak here. I used to run a French website entirely dedicated to it, and provided specialised papers to breed clubs. Right now I'm working on a book about the genetics and genealogy of the Birman breed. Can tell what Ivyfalcon described here is 100% accurrate. By the way, there's actually a DNA test to distinguish genetically tabby gingers from those who have what we call ghost markings. Gingers who have ghost markings come up negative for tabby. And they can't produce tabby offspring if their partner is also non tabby, even if they have strong ghost markings. It's definitely only a visual thing, for the reasons described above. However, there are still ways to visually distinguish tabby from non tabby. See how most tabbies have a white chin, white under their nose, around their eyes and inside their ears? While an actual tabby can have a duller, more reddish version of that, a non tabby can't have them almost pure white. This Maine Coon is red self (non tabby) with classic (blotched) ghost markings This one is an actual red classic tabby Notice that the legit tabby is also generally a bit lighter
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 22, 2021 12:58:07 GMT -5
Moth Flight (white; green eyes) & Micah (yellow tabby; green eyes) Bubbling Stream (white with yellow splotches; blue eyes), Blue Whisker (white with yellow splotches; green eyes), Spider Paw (white; green eyes) & Honey Pelt (striped yellow; green eyes)
Spider Paw is white like Moth Flight, Honey Pelt is a yellow tabby like Micah, Bubbling Stream & Blue Whisker are a mixture of both parents. White like their mother and yellow like their father. Blue Whisker, Spider Paw & Honey Pelt have green eyes like both parents.
---- Hawkwing (dark gray tabby; yellow eyes) & Pebbleshine (white with brown speckles; green eyes) Violetshine (black-and-white; yellow eyes) & Twigbranch (gray; green eyes)
Twigbranch is gray like Hawkwing, but with Pebbleshine's green eyes. The white on Violetshine comes from Pebbleshine as well as her maternal grandmother Tinycloud. Tinycloud's brother Rockshade and half-sister Birdwing have black fur. Violet's yellow eyes come from her father.
---- Violetshine (black & white; yellow eyes) & Tree (yellow; amber eyes) Needleclaw (black & white) & Rootspring (yellow; blue eyes)
Needleclaw is black & white like Violetshine, while Rootspring is yellow like Tree. Rootspring's blue eyes come from Tinycloud. We don't have an eye colour for Needleclaw.
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