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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 12:13:02 GMT -5
I noticed a trend on the favorite and least favorite SEs thread created by The One and Only Moongaze (sorry if me tagging you is annoying, if it is, I won't do it in the future, if anyone else doesn't want to ever be tagged in this manner, then please, also let me know, thanks!) Anyway, I decided to make a thread for unpopular SE opinions. Here are some of mine, the list might be updated soon, or maybe not, depends on if I can think of any others. 1. SkyClan's Destiny is my favorite SE. 2. I didn't really like Hawkwing's Journey. 3. Other than having a lot of great background characters, I didn't enjoy Crookedstar's Promise that much. 4. I really only enjoyed the first half of Tallstar's Revenge. 5. As dumb as the reasoning was, and as much as I thought it was super out of place, the StarClan trial was probably the only interesting part of Squirrelflight's Hope, except for the Mousewhisker scene. 6. Tigerheart's Shadow is one of my favorite SEs. 7. Yellowfang's Secret is too, even though that book at A LOT of continuation errors. 8. I really enjoyed reading Stick's POV in SkyClan's Destiny, and I thought a dual POV was a cool idea, it'd be interesting if they did that for other SEs, like maybe Firestar and Sandstorm for Firestar's Quest, Tigerheart and Rowanstar? for Tigerheart's Shadow, or Spire! Squirrelflight and Bramblestar for Squirrelflight's Hope or get rid of that stupid SE and give her a POV in Bramblestar's Storm. However, that would defeat the purpose of an SE, but does a cat who had a POV in the main arc really need an SE?
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 20, 2021 12:25:21 GMT -5
Here's mine:
While Bramblestar's Storm was boring at times and lacked any overarching plot, except for the storm that became more of a background issue than a centered problem, I still adore all of the Slice of Life moments and different aspects this Super Edition presented to the fandom.
Opposite to this, Squirrelflight's Hope seemed rather off to me. Both character-wise and plot-related. The Sisters and their ideology made me feel very uncomfortable and Squirrelflight's constant praising and excusing of them was a bit upsetting to read about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 12:28:47 GMT -5
Here's mine: While Bramblestar's Storm was boring at times and lacked any overarching plot, except for the storm that became more of a background issue than a centered problem, I still adore all of the Slice of Life moments and different aspects this Super Edition presented to the fandom. Opposite to this, Squirrelflight's Hope seemed rather off to me. Both character-wise and plot-related. The Sisters and their ideology made me feel very uncomfortable and Squirrelflight's constant praising and excusing of them was a bit upsetting to read about. I completely agree about Squirrelflight's Hope! I really don't see a reason why the stupid Sisters need to exist, an already established group called The Guardian Cats would have made WAY more sense to have The Sisters' role in TBC. I mean, they're fine in Squirrelflight's Hope I guess, but still, there were better options. I also agree about the character moments in Bramblestar's Storm, like where it shows a different side of Millie where she's kind and sympathetic towards Minty (I never read Graystripe's manga, so she might be that way there, idk) However, I almost always forget that SE exists, it's pretty forgettable to me.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 20, 2021 12:43:41 GMT -5
Here's mine: While Bramblestar's Storm was boring at times and lacked any overarching plot, except for the storm that became more of a background issue than a centered problem, I still adore all of the Slice of Life moments and different aspects this Super Edition presented to the fandom. Opposite to this, Squirrelflight's Hope seemed rather off to me. Both character-wise and plot-related. The Sisters and their ideology made me feel very uncomfortable and Squirrelflight's constant praising and excusing of them was a bit upsetting to read about. I completely agree about Squirrelflight's Hope! I really don't see a reason why the stupid Sisters need to exist, an already established group called The Guardian Cats would have made WAY more sense to have The Sisters role in TBC. I mean, they're fine in Squirrelflight's Hope I guess, but still, there were better options. I also agree about the character moments in Bramblestar's Storm, like where it shows a different side of Millie where she's kind and sympathetic towards Minty (I never read Graystripe's manga, so she might be that way there, idk) However, I almost always forget that SE exists, it's pretty forgettable to me. Big agree on another group of cats taking The Sisters place (Sleekwhisker as an SE villain was right there). Millie is a bit different in the mangas than in the books but not much (her ability to talk with dogs is only found there though). Understandable in regards to Bramblestar's Storm. That and SkyClan's Destiny are often times cited as very boring by a lot of fans but I just really like both of them for their many character moments.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 12:48:18 GMT -5
I completely agree about Squirrelflight's Hope! I really don't see a reason why the stupid Sisters need to exist, an already established group called The Guardian Cats would have made WAY more sense to have The Sisters role in TBC. I mean, they're fine in Squirrelflight's Hope I guess, but still, there were better options. I also agree about the character moments in Bramblestar's Storm, like where it shows a different side of Millie where she's kind and sympathetic towards Minty (I never read Graystripe's manga, so she might be that way there, idk) However, I almost always forget that SE exists, it's pretty forgettable to me. Big agree on another group of cats taking The Sisters place (Sleekwhisker as an SE villain was right there). Millie is a bit different in the mangas than in the books but not much (her ability to talk with dogs is only found there though). Understandable in regards to Bramblestar's Storm. That and SkyClan's Destiny are often times cited as very boring by a lot of fans but I just really like both of them for their many character moments. You're right! Sadly, they probably forgot about Sleekwhisker's existence just like they forgot to mention her brother Strikestone's death in the book after. Like, his cousin remembered Conefoot and Frondwhisker, but not him. I had hoped that the writers forgot, and he'd come back to life like Beetlewhisker, but no, he was still dead in the next book unfortunately. Dawnpelt and Crowfrost's family was treated a bit unfairly, I might make a post about that tomorrow or something.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 20, 2021 12:53:27 GMT -5
Big agree on another group of cats taking The Sisters place (Sleekwhisker as an SE villain was right there). Millie is a bit different in the mangas than in the books but not much (her ability to talk with dogs is only found there though). Understandable in regards to Bramblestar's Storm. That and SkyClan's Destiny are often times cited as very boring by a lot of fans but I just really like both of them for their many character moments. You're right! Sadly, they probably forgot about Sleekwhisker's existence just like they forgot to mention her brother Strikestone's death in the book after. Like, his cousin remembered Conefoot and Frondwhisker, but not him. I had hoped that the writers forgot, and he'd come back to life like Beetlewhisker, but no, he was still dead in the next book unfortunately. Dawnpelt and Crowfrost's family was treated a bit unfairly, I might make a post about that tomorrow or something. One again, I agree. Strikestone should have at least had kits before he died so that the CrowDawn family branch continues on. Perhaps one of the ShadowClan she cats is expecting his kits regardless and it will be revealed either in ALitM or during the upcoming ASC arc. Or maybe, Sleekwhisker comes back next arc with a few kits in tow.
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Post by cygna on Jul 20, 2021 12:56:43 GMT -5
I loved Yellowfang's Secret. Yeah Raggedtool was horrible but I loved Yellowfang and everyone else in ShadowClan. Apart from Brokenstar. I also adored Raggedstar's first two deputies Foxheart and Cloudpelt. Foxheart because she was funny and Cloudpelt because he was cute.
I don't really have many unpopular opinions on these books.
Idk if this is unpopular or not but I liked Bluestar's Prophecy for the most part, especially before she got with Oakheart.
Crowfeather's Trial is also the most heartwarming WC book I ever read. Idk if this is unpopular either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 13:01:53 GMT -5
𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑Yeah! I wouldn't really like the fact if Sleekwhisker comes back with kits, though it could make for a very interesting plotline.. I like to HC Stonewing and Wasptail as Dawn and Crow's first litter, but I know that will never be cannon. I know it's pretty much impossible for a cat to be expecting Strikestone's kits, but stranger things have happened in this series, and ShadowClan hasn't had an apprentice since Shadowsight so I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of more kits being born into ShadowClan, as long as they're not Snowbird's, because she has enough, and she's like 90 years old, her littermate retired last arc, and she's been a warrior since Tigerclaw's Fury. Who would you choose as his mate? I would really like Cinnamontail or Cloverfoot. cygnaI agree about Crowfeather's trial! I also think you're the first person I've seen who doesn't hate Foxheart.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 20, 2021 13:32:41 GMT -5
@juniperclaw
Yarrowleaf could be another possible choice as they were both apprentices together and knew each other to an extent. The fact that she already had kits with a tom who died (although Nettle deserved it) and would have the same experience with Strikestone's death should make for a rather tragic storyline for her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 16:03:02 GMT -5
@juniperclaw Yarrowleaf could be another possible choice as they were both apprentices together and knew each other to an extent. The fact that she already had kits with a tom who died (although Nettle deserved it) and would have the same experience with Strikestone's death should make for a rather tragic storyline for her. That's true! I thought about Yarrowleaf, but then I thought about how she already had kits, I know they're warriors now, and cats can have more than one litter, but she's also related to Scorch x Snow, who is the family that's related to almost everyone in ShadowClan XD. Then again, I did mention Cloverfoot as a choice and she's Yarrowleaf's sister, but unlike Yarrowleaf, she hasn't had any kits yet.
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Jul 20, 2021 16:25:24 GMT -5
I noticed a trend on the favorite and least favorite SEs thread created by The One and Only Moongaze (sorry if me tagging you is annoying, if it is, I won't do it in the future, if anyone else doesn't want to ever be tagged in this manner, then please, also let me know, thanks!) Nah your good, don't worry.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 16:37:50 GMT -5
I noticed a trend on the favorite and least favorite SEs thread created by The One and Only Moongaze (sorry if me tagging you is annoying, if it is, I won't do it in the future, if anyone else doesn't want to ever be tagged in this manner, then please, also let me know, thanks!) Nah your good, don't worry. Great, thanks!
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Post by Fireleap on Jul 20, 2021 17:40:08 GMT -5
Hawkwing's Journey is boring and SkyClan deserved a better SE. Adding on to that, SkyClan's Destiny is the superior SkyClan SE and is one of the best SEs overall. The first third or so of Tigerheart's Shadow is actually pretty good. The only good thing about Bluestar's Prophecy is the background characters. Yellowfang's Secret is good and deserves more love.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jul 20, 2021 17:44:17 GMT -5
Yellowfang's Secret really deserves a lot more love. I really like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 18:04:34 GMT -5
Hawkwing's Journey is boring and SkyClan deserved a better SE. Adding on to that, SkyClan's Destiny is the superior SkyClan SE and is one of the best SEs overall. The first third or so of Tigerheart's Shadow is actually pretty good. The only good thing about Bluestar's Prophecy is the background characters. Yellowfang's Secret is good and deserves more love. I agree with everything in this post!
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 20, 2021 19:11:41 GMT -5
I dunno if people like BP but I actually really liked it. Tigerheart's Shadow wasn't that bad, I liked it. I liked the StarClan trial and SqH because I liked Leafpool standing up for herself, Squirrelflight, and admitting her mistakes etc. Except for Raggedstar and Brokenstar Yellowfang's Secret was good. Oh and her powers
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Post by Firestorme on Jul 20, 2021 20:17:55 GMT -5
These are just the ones I've read:
Firestar's Quest was fantastic. I'm a huge Firestar fanboy and love every book with his POV. I really loved the idea of him and Sandstorm going out and teaching a bunch of cats how to be a family and become a clan.
Tallstar's Revenge is super underrated. I really enjoyed learning about the tunnelers and Windclan's history. Jake is great as well.
Yellowfang's Secret was very good. I stopped liking her after TPB, but reading her SE made me like her again. It also got me to like Shadowclan a bit lol.
Hawkwing's Journey should have been called Skyclan's Destiny. The amount of shit to happen to this guy is RIDICULOUS. Give this man a break. Honestly the most depressing Warriors book I've read so far, but overall, it was alright.
SO FAR, Skyclan's Destiny is my least favorite SE. It should have been called Leafstar's Hope/faith or Leafstar's Confidence. Stick's POV was wack and the whole book was mostly uninteresting.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jul 20, 2021 21:46:21 GMT -5
Back when I liked SkyClan, I enjoyed reading SkyClan's Destiny. And by extension, Firestar's Quest.
As much as I dislike Tigerheart, I liked Tigerheart's Shadow.
Hawkwing's Journey was great, but I disliked Leafstar's poor choices.
Rainflower treating Crookedstar horribly kept me from reading Crookedstar's Promise again.
I second the idea of a duel POV for Squirrelflight's Hope. Squirrelflight's insecurity was unsettling. She could have put herself at ease by talking to Bramblestar.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jul 21, 2021 2:22:23 GMT -5
I liked Bluestar's character in her SE. Her being the way she was made sense given what she went through. It annoys me a lot when people compare her grief to her sisters in regards to their mother. Grief affects everyone differently, and Snowpaw didn't actually see Moonflower die. Bluepaw did. There's a big difference there imho. I also liked her romance with Oakheart.
Yellowfang's SE wasn't that bad. There were a lot of errors, sure. But otherwise I liked it.
Squirrelflight was not a victim in her SE. And Bramblestar was not abusive. Don't debate me on this.
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Post by crowspirit on Jul 21, 2021 3:47:40 GMT -5
I like Moth Flightʼs Vision, Tigerheartʼs Shadow and Yellowfangʼs Secret.
Squirrelflight's Hope was a pretty interesting book, even though it ruined a lot of characters.
Graystripe's Vow was really, really good. (Don't know about this one since I haven't seen much GV discussion yet.)
Crowfeatherʼs Trial was also really good, would be one of my favourite books if it wasn't for the Breezepelt inconsistencies.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jul 21, 2021 5:02:36 GMT -5
Squirrelflight's Hope was interesting, even if it was annoying.
Moth Flight's Vision was really enjoyable.
Yellowfang's Secret, while not my favorite, is underrated.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 21, 2021 10:08:48 GMT -5
@juniperclaw Yarrowleaf could be another possible choice as they were both apprentices together and knew each other to an extent. The fact that she already had kits with a tom who died (although Nettle deserved it) and would have the same experience with Strikestone's death should make for a rather tragic storyline for her. That's true! I thought about Yarrowleaf, but then I thought about how she already had kits, I know they're warriors now, and cats can have more than one litter, but she's also related to Scorch x Snow, who is the family that's related to almost everyone in ShadowClan XD. Then again, I did mention Cloverfoot as a choice and she's Yarrowleaf's sister, but unlike Yarrowleaf, she hasn't had any kits yet. The problem with Cloverfoot as a mother would be that she likely has to give up her deputy position or is at least changelled for it while expecting kits. A similar thing happened with Leafstar as some cats seemed to assume she wouldn't be able to perform her leader duties correctly, which I found very unfair. The only she cat so far who was able to have kits and still be deputy was Squirrelflight which might have either had something to to with her mate being the leader or her former status as a protagonist for the writing team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 10:10:10 GMT -5
That's true! I thought about Yarrowleaf, but then I thought about how she already had kits, I know they're warriors now, and cats can have more than one litter, but she's also related to Scorch x Snow, who is the family that's related to almost everyone in ShadowClan XD. Then again, I did mention Cloverfoot as a choice and she's Yarrowleaf's sister, but unlike Yarrowleaf, she hasn't had any kits yet. The problem with Cloverfoot as a mother would be that she likely has to give up her deputy position or is at least changelled for it while expecting kits. A similar thing happened with Leafstar as some cats seemed to assume she wouldn't be able to perform her leader duties correctly, which I found very unfair. The only she cat so far who was able to have kits and still be deputy was Squirrelflight which might have either had something to to with her mate being the leader or her former status as a protagonist for the writing team. Yeah, I thought about that too :/ That sucks. And knowing Warriors, they'll probably make Strikestone out to be a jerk, because that's how they always write toms in relationships, even ones they don't need to freakin ruin like Finleap.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 21, 2021 10:25:00 GMT -5
The problem with Cloverfoot as a mother would be that she likely has to give up her deputy position or is at least changelled for it while expecting kits. A similar thing happened with Leafstar as some cats seemed to assume she wouldn't be able to perform her leader duties correctly, which I found very unfair. The only she cat so far who was able to have kits and still be deputy was Squirrelflight which might have either had something to to with her mate being the leader or her former status as a protagonist for the writing team. Yeah, I thought about that too :/ That sucks. And knowing Warriors, they'll probably make Strikestone out to be a jerk, because that's how they always write toms in relationships, even ones they don't need to freakin ruin like Finleap. They can hardly make him a jerk now that he's dead. And Strikestone was also the one sibling out of his other littermates who got the most positive characterization in the past, even in TBC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 10:27:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought about that too :/ That sucks. And knowing Warriors, they'll probably make Strikestone out to be a jerk, because that's how they always write toms in relationships, even ones they don't need to freakin ruin like Finleap. They can hardly make him a jerk now that he's dead. And Strikestone was also the one sibling out of his other littermates who got the most positive characterization in the past, even in TBC. True. I still have hopes he's secretly alive and that's why he didn't get a thought about him in Darkness Within like his clanmates did XD
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 21, 2021 10:42:11 GMT -5
They can hardly make him a jerk now that he's dead. And Strikestone was also the one sibling out of his other littermates who got the most positive characterization in the past, even in TBC. True. I still have hopes he's secretly alive and that's why he didn't get a thought about him in Darkness Within like his clanmates did XD I hope so as well or that he at least had kits with someone before getting killed off by the writers/editors.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 10:44:05 GMT -5
True. I still have hopes he's secretly alive and that's why he didn't get a thought about him in Darkness Within like his clanmates did XD I hope so as well or that he at least had kits with someone before getting killed off by the writers/editors. Same! Crowfrost is a great cat, and his legacy is just...gone...just like that. At least with Dawnpelt she still has her brother Tigerheart and his kits to sort of be part of her legacy. I wonder if Crowfrost had any siblings? I know legacies and stuff aren't a big deal IRL, but they seem to be in this series, look how important Fire and Tiger's families are. Well..except Dawnpelt's that is.. RIP.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jul 21, 2021 10:54:49 GMT -5
I hope so as well or that he at least had kits with someone before getting killed off by the writers/editors. Same! Crowfrost is a great cat, and his legacy is just...gone...just like that. At least with Dawnpelt she still has her brother Tigerheart and his kits to sort of be part of her legacy. I wonder if Crowfrost had any siblings? I know legacies and stuff aren't a big deal IRL, but they seem to be in this series, look how important Fire and Tiger's families are. Well..except Dawnpelt's that is.. RIP. We can only wait and hope for some more family tree information either in the series or on the website.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 10:58:56 GMT -5
Same! Crowfrost is a great cat, and his legacy is just...gone...just like that. At least with Dawnpelt she still has her brother Tigerheart and his kits to sort of be part of her legacy. I wonder if Crowfrost had any siblings? I know legacies and stuff aren't a big deal IRL, but they seem to be in this series, look how important Fire and Tiger's families are. Well..except Dawnpelt's that is.. RIP. We can only wait and hope for some more family tree information either in the series or on the website. I hope so! I hope they change their mind about Dewnose and make Stormcloud the father of Sorrelstripe's kits instead, it'd make more sense seeing as he was in the nursery during Squirrelflight's Hope, unless they're setting him up to be Sparkpelt's next mate, which is cool I guess, I mean it could help out the family bush a little XD Mostly, I just want these other characters to actually be rememebred. Speaking of SEs, Stormcloud is one of those only important in SE characters.
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