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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 15, 2021 12:05:09 GMT -5
A little inspired by the Squirrelstar and Leafstar thread, let's take a set of cats and imagine if their roles were swapped. Get creative! The topic will change every few days.
Past swaps: What if Squirrelflight was a medicine cat and Leafpool a warrior?
What if Princess or Smudge joined the Clans while Rusty remained a kittypet?
What if either Hollyleaf or Lionblaze became a medicine cat (or stayed a medicine cat in Hollyleaf's case) while Jayfeather became a warrior?
What if Sharpclaw became leader of SkyClan instead of Leafstar?
What if Thistleclaw had become leader of ThunderClan instead of Bluefur?
Current swap: what if Brambleclaw had been captured by Twolegs instead of Graystripe?
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 15, 2021 13:03:58 GMT -5
Squirrelflight would still go on the journey, rebellious as she is, and probably helps do more healing on the journey. However, Thunderclan suffers more while lacking a medicine cat during the forest destruction. Squirrelflight has a brief fling with Brambleclaw on the journey, but once back in camp and under Cinderpelt's supervision, the fling will end and she won't have an opportunity to flirt with Ashfur due to her medicine cat status. I think she might actually just continue her relationship with Brambleclaw behind the scenes though because she wouldn't have seen the Hawkfrost and Mudclaw incident. In any case, I think she'll ultimately break up with Brambleclaw permanently after getting the dreams of him being in the Dark Forest; Squirrelflight won't tolerate that in a relationship.
Leafpool on the other hand, probably still ends up with Crowfeather. And with nothing to hold her back, like Cinderpelt's death, her plan to just flee the clans with Crowfeather probably actually does succeed, and thus we get the Three born as rogues.
So at the end of TNP, the most majorly affected things would be...
More cats hurt due to Squirrelflight bailing early in TNP and due to Leafpool and Crowfeather not returning to add extra aid in the badger attack. Maybe one or two extra cats die here due to this. Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight have broken up on VERY unamicable terms, Dark Forest training being what it is. Ashfur has never had the lovebug, and so he continues to simply be an aggressive and rather arrogant warrior. And of course, the Three being born out of the clans with their self-exiled parents.
Because of this, Power of Three would require major rewrites that go beyond the scope of this post right now. Hollyleaf definitely probably ends up more stable here, Ashfur might never go quite as mad as he did in canon, many more cats die due to the lack of Jayfeather's medical insight in the plague arc, Windclan's Thunderclan invasion is far less successful due to the tunnels not being revealed to them, and Shadowclan probably rots due to Sol's influence. A pretty dark future right there for the clans, with only Dovewing being left to help defend against the Dark Forest invasion.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 15, 2021 21:08:31 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 16, 2021 18:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 17, 2021 11:05:20 GMT -5
Next one up! What if Princess or Smudge joined the Clans while Rusty remained a kittypet?
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jul 17, 2021 13:04:39 GMT -5
If Princess joined ThunderClan, i can see her choosing another role that isin't being a warrior. I think she would rather be either a medicine cat or a permanent queen.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 17, 2021 22:58:59 GMT -5
The fact that Firestar remains a kittypet is such a huge turn in events that I don't think it'd be possible to exactly list down everything that would change, but this is an interesting thought! Smudge I think would end up becoming a medicine cat after trying out as a warrior apprentice, and he definitely wouldn't be as involved in exposing Tigerclaw as Fireheart was. That is, if he just doesn't decide that the warrior life isn't for him and goes back to his twolegs.
Princess is absolutely a permaqueen though. I can see her being good friends with Goldenflower, Brindleface, and Frostfur.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 18, 2021 2:46:35 GMT -5
Ooh, I agree with everyone that Princess would be a permaqueen. Hmm Smudge he would be a warrior, but maybe a medicine cat would fit him as well. Oh but nobody has Rusty's adventurous spirit, the "unique personality" so I think it's safe to say that a lot of things would be different from how it actually turned out.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 18, 2021 21:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 20, 2021 21:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 21, 2021 11:15:55 GMT -5
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 22, 2021 5:26:07 GMT -5
I couldn't really picture Lionblaze as a medicine cat lol
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 23, 2021 20:04:43 GMT -5
I admit it's been a while since I've read a lot of the PoT and OotS books, so I'm going off mostly what I remember here. I honestly can't see Lionblaze being a good medicine cat, let alone himself in the role. Hollyleaf though I think would be interesting. I think she'd be a decent medicine cat, though not as competent as Jayfeather is. The greencough epidemic in Long Shadows would have gone much worse if Hollyleaf was a medicine cat, as they wouldn't have Jayfeather's insight and intuition. Now that I think about it, if Lionblaze was the medicine cat, I don't think they would have gotten the catmint they so desperately needed from WindClan territory since Lionblaze's relationship with Heathertail would be nonexistent, assuming Heathertail would have outright attacked Jayfeather/Hollyleaf if they were the ones trying to get it.
Jayfeather as a warrior is an interesting idea. I can see a lot of cats hesitant to bring him along on patrols and the like at first, but he'd have a keen sense of hearing and smell which might make some warriors a bit more less resentful to bring him along because he'd assumingly be able to scent prey before the others. Like I said above, the greencough plague in Long Shadows almost certainly would have gone a lot worse. Not not Hollyleaf wouldn't not prevent it (whether Lionblaze would be able to is another story), but some cats may have died aside from Firestar. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Firestar actually made Jayfeather (I doubt Jayfeather would do it willingly) help out in the medicine den with Leafpool and Hollyleaf/Lionblaze, sort of like an unofficial assistant like Briarlight was to Jayfeather in canon.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 27, 2021 5:30:37 GMT -5
Next one up!
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 28, 2021 21:51:51 GMT -5
I really need to re-read these specific books, but if Sharpclaw were leader, I think Leafdapple would do her best to keep him leveled, and although she might butt heads with him, I think he'd take the time to listen to her. Their relationship would effectively be the same as it is in the books; both having a mutual respect for each other even if they don't agree. That said though, Sharpclaw definitely would be a hotheaded leader and probably lead the Clan into unnecessary fights. Leafstar's shown herself time and time again that she's wise, thinks before she acts, and uses caution. Sharpclaw, while having good intentions, doesn't really have any of those qualities.
That said, he'd absolutely take a more aggressive stance to things in comparison to Leafstar, which might actually be beneficial in some situations. I think he probably would have outright rejected Darktail and Rain back in Hawkwing's Journey, and taken a position like Tigerstar II did in TBC to the imposter; outright defying Ashfur's commands and decrees about codebreaking and harboring exiles from other Clans.
Leafstar on the other hand as Sharpclaw's deputy, as I said above, would definitely be his voice of reason and try her absolute hardest to talk him out of needless bloodshed. While she would certainly try and talk him out of things first, I think, should the situation call for it, she would go behind his back to try and prevent a fight (eg. Firestar in Rising Storm, Squirrelflight in Squirrelflight's Hope). She'd be a very competent and well respected deputy. Her story with her kits and Billystorm I suspect would largely play out the same as it did in the SkyClan trilogy as well, with some minor differences in that Billystorm wouldn't be exiled by her (assuming Sharpclaw doesn't do that himself either), and Sol probably would have gotten the boot from SkyClan earlier by Sharpclaw as well.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jul 28, 2021 22:20:49 GMT -5
Sharpclaw would be more of an aggressive leader than Leafstar and Leafdapple would try to keep him level like Rockfoot said.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 3, 2021 5:57:56 GMT -5
Next one up!
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 3, 2021 8:14:37 GMT -5
This depends on where exactly in the timeline the divergence happens, as I'm sure we don't want Bluefur x Snowfur. I'm assuming this just means practically speaking Thistleclaw as deputy?
I think it might twist the knife a lot if in spite of giving up her kits, Bluefur still doesn't become deputy. Bluefur would be in depressed agony over that, maybe even to the point that she dies prematurely in a battle of a broken heart. Thistleclaw as deputy will be very aggressive and lead Thunderclan in unnecessary battles naturally and probably make Tigerclaw deputy. We get a much more aggressive Thunderclan as such in clan character too. Will Graypaw be different in a more violent Thunderclan? Almost certainly, but I don't think he'd be so by enough to dissuade Rusty, and when Thistleclaw gets the prophecy, I think that like it or not he'd want to get Rusty into the clan. He'd probably even kidnap him if he had to, though given Rusty's enthusiasm, it wouldn't be much of a kidnapping.
With Tigerclaw as deputy, he doesn't kill Redtail and Ravenpaw stays his loyal lackey, being slowly molded into a rather mean spirited cat I think. I think Whitestorm might be more bold here though, trying to advise his father and control his worst urges while scolding Tigerclaw for encouraging them. That's because he feels like he has more of a stake in it all. Thistleclaw almost certainly will try to use Yellowfang as a hostage to try to squeeze more juice out of Shadowclan, but when Brokenstar makes threats at the Gathering, Thistleclaw will be enraged and go on the warpath against him before the Shadowclan attack even happens. Brokenstar's tinpot regime crumbles in the face of such a brutal attack and I'm guessing Firepaw helps Yellowfang get away in the confusion since I doubt this new, bloodier Thunderclan would be quite as kind to her as prisoner.
With Brokenstar deposed, Thistleclaw is definitely not going to want to send Windclan help. However, he also would never want the other clans to expand their land either, and this will probably drive him to be even more aggressive and attack Riverclan or Shadowclan. I can see Tigerclaw backstabbing him at some point during the attack of Brokentail's rogues, realizing that Thistleclaw needs to go and has too few lives to resist a murder attempt. Where it goes from there is hard to say, a lot depends on how he does it and if there are any witnesses to it.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 6, 2021 21:45:21 GMT -5
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Aug 7, 2021 3:59:13 GMT -5
The first thing that comes to mind is that Firestar would've kept Graystripe as his deputy. Squirrelflight would have spent more time with Ashfur, and maybe she could have developed feelings for him along the way, since Brambleclaw wouldn't be there for her feelings to be divided.
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Post by Rainsplash on Aug 7, 2021 7:46:42 GMT -5
Well, Graystripe would be kept as deputy and we'd see the evil Twolegs up close.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 7, 2021 11:51:56 GMT -5
If Brambleclaw had been captured by the twolegs instead of Graystripe?
Considering that he was a protagonist and PoV in TNP, I'm just going to assume Brambleclaw stays one even after getting seperated from his Clan. Reading his perspective while being forced to be a kittypet would definitely make for some hilarious moments in which he has no idea of what is going on or what to do next. His escape could still be possible though, especially if Millie (or any other cat he meets) helps him along the way. Him also getting a mate that was formerly a kittypet should make his father become extremly enraged at such a development later on in the plot (it doesn't have to be Millie). I do think that Squirrelflight will miss him all this time but only in a sibling sort of way because BrambleSquirrel did/does not work at all romantically, in my opinion (especially in canon). But other than that, Graystripe stays as deputy, of course and perhaps Hawkfrost won't take such a sudden interest in his half brother if the deputy position isn't left empty (as it was during canon). Brambleclaw either returns by the next arc (like Graystripe in canon) or arrives at the lake territories in the final book (maybe even as the cliffhanger of this arc).
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 7, 2021 21:12:44 GMT -5
We would have probably gotten Graystar and gotten to see a similarly awesome POV from GV earlier
And maybe an insight into twolegs.
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