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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 16, 2021 15:30:31 GMT -5
i wanna get this out of the way first: the second litters we have in thunderclan right now r useless and only serve to polute the clan with the same central bloodlines.
lion x cinder's second litter is pointless. bright x cloud's second litter is even more pointless (ambermoon died, snowbush and dewnose just existed to spread more firekin genes which sucks. it makes it worse that snow x lily r first cousins, as well as dewnose x sorrelstripe being firekin x firekin...i hate firekin x firekin so much you guys...). and sorrel x bracken's is the most pointless, since only lilyheart survived, and like i just said, lilyheart only exists to do firekin x firekin and make more useless background cats who wont get a personality.
so, who do i think deserved second litters?
whitewing x birchfall & spiderleg x daisy
yes, whitewing is firekin, but the biggest thing here is dust x fern kin. dustpelt and ferncloud's lines deserved more litters than the ones we actually got.
dovewing moved to shadowclan, so she's out. and ivypool was useless in carrying the line becaus she got with a fellow firekin. and as i said, firekin x firekin makes me angry. i hate how its become unavoidable now in present day. it never used to be this bad before.
white x birch should have had a second litter after dove and ivy became full warriors. they should have had sons to balance things out. thunderclan as it is right now hardly has any viable toms.
spiderleg x daisy getting back together and having one last litter would have been the perfect excuse to have a pairing have a second litter. think about it. both toad and rose died, leaving spiderleg's (and thereby dustxfern's) line dead in the water.
i would have preferred rosepetal live and have bumblestripe's kits (dustxfern kin getting with graystripe kin would have been perfect for diversity), but since thats not an option, i wish spiderleg and daisy got back together.
there was a tiny arc about spiderleg and daisy. spiderleg getting close to his kits rose and toad could have led him getting back together with daisy after accepting his love for her despite her outsiderness.
and again, spider x daisy's second litter could have been all toms to balance things out. non-firekin toms are literally rare now in thunderclan and it sucks.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 16, 2021 15:37:18 GMT -5
Honestly also, Berrynose and Poppyfrost would have produced the rare non-firekin kits as well!
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 16, 2021 15:38:21 GMT -5
Honestly also, Berrynose and Poppyfrost would have produced the rare non-firekin kits as well! i should have included them too! poppy x berry could have also had a second litter. and since they pulled the "my mate died, but im having their kits" thing with spotfur, they could do the same for poppyfrost...but its unlikely now.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 16, 2021 15:41:32 GMT -5
Honestly also, Berrynose and Poppyfrost would have produced the rare non-firekin kits as well! i should have included them too! poppy x berry could have also had a second litter. and since they pulled the "my mate died, but im having their kits" thing with spotfur, they could do the same for poppyfrost...but its unlikely now. It makes me so sad too. Them killing Berrynose was so dumb honestly, because we were cheated out of another litter and also out of an actually non-generic deputy. Funny enough, Bristlefrost made it pretty clear that Berrynose actually did pretty well as deputy, which is a shame, I would have loved to see where they could have taken him.
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Post by Snowfire on Jun 16, 2021 15:43:55 GMT -5
Leafstar and Billystorm should’ve had a second litter, Harrybrook and Leafstar wouldn’t be as lonely
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 16, 2021 15:44:46 GMT -5
Leafstar and Billystorm should’ve had a second litter, Harrybrook and Leafstar wouldn’t be as lonely another good choice. im really sad that leafstar only has harrybrook.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 16, 2021 15:45:11 GMT -5
i should have included them too! poppy x berry could have also had a second litter. and since they pulled the "my mate died, but im having their kits" thing with spotfur, they could do the same for poppyfrost...but its unlikely now. It makes me so sad too. Them killing Berrynose was so dumb honestly, because we were cheated out of another litter and also out of an actually non-generic deputy. Funny enough, Bristlefrost made it pretty clear that Berrynose actually did pretty well as deputy, which is a shame, I would have loved to see where they could have taken him. daisykin got done dirty in TBC. it's just so frustrating and sad to me.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 16, 2021 15:55:20 GMT -5
It makes me so sad too. Them killing Berrynose was so dumb honestly, because we were cheated out of another litter and also out of an actually non-generic deputy. Funny enough, Bristlefrost made it pretty clear that Berrynose actually did pretty well as deputy, which is a shame, I would have loved to see where they could have taken him. daisykin got done dirty in TBC. it's just so frustrating and sad to me. This is why I’m really hoping for future deputy/leader Molewhisker or Storm x Cherry kits.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 16, 2021 17:24:56 GMT -5
I agree with you that Daisy should have had a second litter with Spiderleg before he died. Why did CloudBright get another litter but not her?? So unfair smh.
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Post by cygna on Jun 16, 2021 18:28:39 GMT -5
Anyone who isn’t Firekin is valid in having a second littler or even a first or a third or whatever.
I agree SpiderDaisy should have had a second littler though. It would have made Spiderleg’s character come full circle and I for reals wanted soft Spiderleg moments to melt me.
I also wouldn’t have even minded DustFern having a fourth litter because the Erins are gosh darn mean to them and keep killing their family. Unlike ScorchSnow who had all but one kit survive till adulthood and whose descendants will not stop procreating.
LakeLizard should also have a second litter consisting of two she kits called Wavekit and Cypresskit because getting rid of them was rude and could be played off as a mistake. Also those poor cats only have one kit left with them.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 16, 2021 18:39:36 GMT -5
Another pair I wanted to have a second litter was RowanTawny, only because all their kits basically died/left and all of Dawnpelt’s kits died too. Literally only Tigerheart’s bias ass family line survived which is annoying. Let RowanTawny have kits that live and aren’t trash please lol. AU’s here I come.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 16, 2021 19:37:16 GMT -5
Anyone who isn’t Firekin is valid in having a second littler or even a first or a third or whatever. I agree SpiderDaisy should have had a second littler though. It would have made Spiderleg’s character come full circle and I for reals wanted soft Spiderleg moments to melt me. I also wouldn’t have even minded DustFern having a fourth litter because the Erins are gosh darn mean to them and keep killing their family. Unlike ScorchSnow who had all but one kit survive till adulthood and whose descendants will not stop procreating. LakeLizard should also have a second litter consisting of two she kits called Wavekit and Cypresskit because getting rid of them was rude and could be played off as a mistake. Also those poor cats only have one kit left with them. dust x fern kits kept dying. spider and shrew- shrew dies, leaving only spiderleg. birch, larch, and holly- larch and holly die, leaving only birchfall. foxleap and icecloud got to live to adulthood, but died not too long after. and now spiderleg is dead (along with both his kits). leaving just birchfall. and one of birchfall's kits moved clans, and the other did firekin x firekin. dust x fern kin was done super dirty, next to daisykin.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 16, 2021 19:38:23 GMT -5
Another pair I wanted to have a second litter was RowanTawny, only because all their kits basically died/left and all of Dawnpelt’s kits died too. Literally only Tigerheart’s bias ass family line survived which is annoying. Let RowanTawny have kits that live and aren’t trash please lol. AU’s here I come. i like dawn x crow better than rowan x tawny. i wish dawnpelt and crowfrost had more kits instead :'(
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Post by Moonblazer on Jun 16, 2021 21:55:00 GMT -5
Another pair I wanted to have a second litter was RowanTawny, only because all their kits basically died/left and all of Dawnpelt’s kits died too. Literally only Tigerheart’s bias ass family line survived which is annoying. Let RowanTawny have kits that live and aren’t trash please lol. AU’s here I come. i like dawn x crow better than rowan x tawny. i wish dawnpelt and crowfrost had more kits instead :'( I’d be fine with both having kits! I like both ships, though TawnyRowan is more interesting to me story-wise since Dawn and Crow hardly had any moments in the books for me to fancy it a ton. But I’d have liked litters for both ships :3
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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 17, 2021 0:36:23 GMT -5
RowanTawny of DawnCrow, they're cute and their descendants are honestly so garbage
DustFern They were literally the cutest and their kits all died. I wouldn't mind BrackenSorrel, as well.
Maybe FireSand? Buut I'm good with them only having Leaf and Squirrel.
Ooh yes SpiderDaisy.
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Post by Cloudy Sky on Jun 17, 2021 1:03:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind BrackenSorrel, as well. They did have a second litter - Lilyheart and Seedpaw.
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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 17, 2021 5:01:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind BrackenSorrel, as well. They did have a second litter - Lilyheart and Seedpaw. Ahh they're so forgettable oops
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jun 17, 2021 11:58:19 GMT -5
personally, im not a fan of pairing characters together for the sole purpose of having kits. spiderleg made it clear he never intended to have a family and his thing with daisy was a one-time fling. it doesnt make sense for me narratively to shove them back together.
i do wish more dust x fern kits survived. the only one still alive currently is birchfall. foxleap, icecloud, shrewpaw, hollykit, and larchkit all died either before adulthood or not long into it, and even spiderleg is gone now. so i agree that another birch x white litter would have been nice.
i actually like that cloud x bright had another litter, since they only had one kit their first litter and only two their second. i dont think they are really to blame for "polluting the gene pool with firekin" as much as other mates.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jun 17, 2021 12:30:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't have minded more FernIvy, FireSand or DustFern kits tbh.
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Post by Fallenflower on Jun 17, 2021 16:34:19 GMT -5
I think more kits from the DustFern litter should have lived, instead of them having more later (I'd like to see Shrewpaw live specifically). Maybe TawnyRowan too, since their litter had some relevancy.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 17, 2021 16:42:46 GMT -5
I think more kits from the DustFern litter should have lived, instead of them having more later (I'd like to see Shrewpaw live specifically). Maybe TawnyRowan too, since their litter had some relevancy. agreed. i wish both foxleap and icecloud could have lived at the very least...they were young and full of potential...
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 17, 2021 18:06:28 GMT -5
Definitely wish we got more SpiderDaisy. I would have killed to see them reconcile given Spiderleg STILL has feelings for her, he's just awkward.
TawnyRowan, DustFern, SpiderDaisy, and I'd honestly like another FernIvy litter, I think? And more CrowDawn, where less of them are trash
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 17, 2021 18:07:43 GMT -5
personally, im not a fan of pairing characters together for the sole purpose of having kits. spiderleg made it clear he never intended to have a family and his thing with daisy was a one-time fling. it doesnt make sense for me narratively to shove them back together. Bramblestar's Storm makes several references to Spiderleg still having feelings for Daisy - implying it was more than a one-time thing. He's just emotionally inept, apparently
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 17, 2021 20:30:39 GMT -5
personally, im not a fan of pairing characters together for the sole purpose of having kits. spiderleg made it clear he never intended to have a family and his thing with daisy was a one-time fling. it doesnt make sense for me narratively to shove them back together. Bramblestar's Storm makes several references to Spiderleg still having feelings for Daisy - implying it was more than a one-time thing. He's just emotionally inept, apparently i wish more people remembered that. spiderleg deserved more to his arc. he got over his problems enough to be a present father to rose and toad. it would only make sense for him to realize he actually does love daisy. its just sad he didnt have the know-how to address this and talk to her
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 17, 2021 20:43:42 GMT -5
Bramblestar's Storm makes several references to Spiderleg still having feelings for Daisy - implying it was more than a one-time thing. He's just emotionally inept, apparently i wish more people remembered that. spiderleg deserved more to his arc. he got over his problems enough to be a present father to rose and toad. it would only make sense for him to realize he actually does love daisy. its just sad he didnt have the know-how to address this and talk to her I actually ship the pairing because idk. I like the idea of an emotionally awkward character with a really open and loving one. I think it's so weird that it seemed like they were going to go somewhere with Daisy and Spiderleg based on that SE, but then he's dead by the next arc. It's like they considered it and then were like 'Nah'
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 17, 2021 22:09:11 GMT -5
i wish more people remembered that. spiderleg deserved more to his arc. he got over his problems enough to be a present father to rose and toad. it would only make sense for him to realize he actually does love daisy. its just sad he didnt have the know-how to address this and talk to her I actually ship the pairing because idk. I like the idea of an emotionally awkward character with a really open and loving one. I think it's so weird that it seemed like they were going to go somewhere with Daisy and Spiderleg based on that SE, but then he's dead by the next arc. It's like they considered it and then were like 'Nah' this series has a problem of doing that. "we can't figure out how to flesh out this [character] so let's just kill them." lol
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jun 17, 2021 22:37:41 GMT -5
personally, im not a fan of pairing characters together for the sole purpose of having kits. spiderleg made it clear he never intended to have a family and his thing with daisy was a one-time fling. it doesnt make sense for me narratively to shove them back together. Bramblestar's Storm makes several references to Spiderleg still having feelings for Daisy - implying it was more than a one-time thing. He's just emotionally inept, apparently hmm interesting. i never read BrS.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 18, 2021 11:22:23 GMT -5
Bramblestar's Storm makes several references to Spiderleg still having feelings for Daisy - implying it was more than a one-time thing. He's just emotionally inept, apparently hmm interesting. i never read BrS. They made it seem like they were going to do something further with Spider x Daisy, but then...killed him off. It was weird.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Jun 19, 2021 13:06:59 GMT -5
I don’t think Lilyheart is firekin though? She’s the daughter of Brackenfur and Sorreltail. Brackenfur is Frostfur’s son and Sorreltail is Whitestorm and Willowpelt’s daughter.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Jun 19, 2021 13:08:46 GMT -5
I think more kits from the DustFern litter should have lived, instead of them having more later (I'd like to see Shrewpaw live specifically). Maybe TawnyRowan too, since their litter had some relevancy. Honestly. It was just cruel killing off nearly all of their kits. They deserved better.
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