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Post by Aqua on Jun 7, 2021 17:09:28 GMT -5
I just realized that it likely will, especially with how the books are treating her character. I know Squirrelflight is old, but so is Mistystar, and she hasn't kicked the bucket yet... Yikes.
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 7, 2021 17:12:53 GMT -5
God, I really hope not. Don’t let me down, Erins.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 17:13:24 GMT -5
I hope squirrelflight doesn’t become squirrelstar. But at the same time I’m desperate not to see lionblaze become leader.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 18:37:31 GMT -5
I haven't read nearly this far in the books but I couldn't help myself and I was spoiled by a "Why Bramblestar is the worst" YouTube video. I honestly hope that Bramblestar ends up in the Dark Forest, Squirrelflight has the opportunity to become leader but she turns the position down, and leaves ThunderClan for good. ThunderClan ends up in inner turmoil and their influence is reduced for at least one or two future series (but we know this detail is never going to happen).
She deserves a permanent break from everything, especially relationships.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 7, 2021 18:44:10 GMT -5
I hope she at least retires. I can't really see her becoming leader, especially now that Bramblestar is back.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 7, 2021 18:45:44 GMT -5
I haven't read nearly this far in the books but I couldn't help myself and I was spoiled by a "Why Bramblestar is the worst" YouTube video. I don't like Bramblestar, but I really recommend judging a character on your own and not just basing your opinion on what someone else thinks.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 18:48:46 GMT -5
I haven't read nearly this far in the books but I couldn't help myself and I was spoiled by a "Why Bramblestar is the worst" YouTube video. I don't like Bramblestar, but I really reccomend judging a character on your own and not just basing your opinion on what someone else thinks. I agree, but I follow evidence over opinions in times like these. Time and time again the relationship between Squilf + Bramble has been shown to be abusive (on Bramble's part towards Squilf), or at the very least, not exactly healthy. Then again, it's up to opinion. Some of the writers don't think it's abusive at all, while others (not writers) have stated that they saw their previous abuser(s) IRL in Bramblestar. It's all up to perspective and possibly experience I think. Anyway, I'll get to this point in the books eventually. Within 3 years or so at least.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 7, 2021 18:50:01 GMT -5
I don't like Bramblestar, but I really reccomend judging a character on your own and not just basing your opinion on what someone else thinks. I agree, but I follow evidence over opinions in times like these. Time and time again the relationship between Squilf + Bramble has been shown to be abusive (on Bramble's part towards Squilf), or at the very least, not exactly healthy. Then again, it's up to opinion. Some of the writers don't think it's abusive at all, while others (not writers) have stated that they saw their previous abuser(s) IRL in Bramblestar. It's all up to perspective and possibly experience I think. Anyway, I'll get to this point in the books eventually. Within 3 years or so at least. Which arc are you on now?
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 18:52:56 GMT -5
I agree, but I follow evidence over opinions in times like these. Time and time again the relationship between Squilf + Bramble has been shown to be abusive (on Bramble's part towards Squilf), or at the very least, not exactly healthy. Then again, it's up to opinion. Some of the writers don't think it's abusive at all, while others (not writers) have stated that they saw their previous abuser(s) IRL in Bramblestar. It's all up to perspective and possibly experience I think. Anyway, I'll get to this point in the books eventually. Within 3 years or so at least. Which arc are you on now? Years ago I read TPB and TNP. I skipped POT because I couldn't find the first book in the series in the library for the life of me. I went right to OotS and after that DotC, along with a couple super editions early on, as well as Bramblestar's Storm. Now I'm up to the middle of TNP with Firestar's Quest, Bluestar's Prophecy, SkyClan's Destiny, and various manga. I know tidbits of information from later series due to minor spoilers.
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Post by Snowfire on Jun 7, 2021 18:58:29 GMT -5
Probably, I wouldn’t mind what her fate will be but she really deserves some sort of break so her becoming an elder would be cool.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 7, 2021 19:11:12 GMT -5
Unfortunately as much as I want Squirrelstar I doubt it'll happen. u.u I do NOT want her to die though, let her go through proper retirement instead and get a good rest from everything.
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 7, 2021 19:17:26 GMT -5
God, I really hope not. Don’t let me down, Erins. Please don’t take this as me hating Squirrelflight (I don’t, I like her), but Firekin and Tigerkin need to stop being in positions of power. Thornclaw was completely right for once. Also, she’s old and I’d prefer it if she’d just retire to the elders’ den after hopefully killing Ashfur’s spirit herself in ALITM (:
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Post by Rainsplash on Jun 7, 2021 19:20:39 GMT -5
Nah
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 7, 2021 20:11:34 GMT -5
I kind of want her to retire to the elder's den and have a peaceful rest of her days
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 7, 2021 20:13:06 GMT -5
No lol. I hope the Erins finally ice her like they did her sister. The difference would be that I wouldn't care at all for her death compared to Leafpool's.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 20:40:57 GMT -5
God, I really hope not. Don’t let me down, Erins. Please don’t take this as me hating Squirrelflight (I don’t, I like her), but Firekin and Tigerkin need to stop being in positions of power. Thornclaw was completely right for once. Also, she’s old and I’d prefer it if she’d just retire to the elders’ den after hopefully killing Ashfur’s spirit herself in ALITM (: This is why in my opinion leaders should not have kits. Not that it would do any harm, but as long as their children were popular and confident and skilled, they'd probably be favored over other cats. This is less about logic and more about ThunderClan almost becoming a monarchy at this point. Let Bramblestar die, let Squirrelflight retire, let some other cat take the leadership position. If Squirrelstar does happen, I'll be crossing my fingers she will choose a non Fire- or Tigerkin cat as deputy. Worst case scenario is everything goes back to the way it was. Edit: Here is how I would do things, provided that Squirrelflight survives. Bramblestar's spirit is unsalvageable and he'll never return. Squirrelflight is next to become leader but turns down the position, and a fresh cat is given the chance of "ruling from the throne". If Squirrelflight does die, then read the final part of the last sentence.
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Post by MadameDelune on Jun 7, 2021 20:43:17 GMT -5
I hope not or I will absolutely stop reading. It’s so frustrating I’m so tired of her dude
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 20:49:40 GMT -5
DAAARRGGHH I forgot that Lionblaze is a thing. If he's still alive, then he might be the next in line for "the throne", becoming Lionstar and rebuilding ThunderClan like LionClan of old, but more of as a tribute rather than a direct comparion. Did I just predict the future?
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 7, 2021 20:50:50 GMT -5
Please don’t take this as me hating Squirrelflight (I don’t, I like her), but Firekin and Tigerkin need to stop being in positions of power. Thornclaw was completely right for once. Also, she’s old and I’d prefer it if she’d just retire to the elders’ den after hopefully killing Ashfur’s spirit herself in ALITM (: This is why in my opinion leaders should not have kits. Not that it would do any harm, but as long as their children were popular and confident and skilled, they'd probably be favored over other cats. This is less about logic and more about ThunderClan almost becoming a monarchy at this point. Let Bramblestar die, let Squirrelflight retire, let some other cat take the leadership position. If Squirrelstar does happen, I'll be crossing my fingers she will choose a non Fire- or Tigerkin cat as deputy. Worst case scenario is everything goes back to the way it was. Edit: Here is how I would do things, provided that Squirrelflight survives. Bramblestar's spirit is unsalvageable and he'll never return. Squirrelflight is next to become leader but turns down the position, and a fresh cat is given the chance of "ruling from the throne". If Squirrelflight does die, then read the final part of the last sentence. Yeah, it’s been so crazy. I think the authors might be trying to make a point of that recently with Thornclaw speaking out against nepotism and Lionblaze being a horrible deputy and temporary leader, eventually having to give the position to Graystripe. They may try to give a non Fire or Tigerkin cat the leadership position. Lilyheart is my top pick for leader and Molewhisker for deputy. Preferably Bramblestar dies in ALITM, maybe have his death symbolically similar to his father’s with his remaining lives being ripped at once. Then, Squirrelflight steps down and retires to the elders’ den. She really needs a break before her eventual death. Then maybe Squirrelflight will choose a qualified cat who isn’t related to her or Bramblestar. We all saw what happened when she picked Lionblaze as her deputy, so hopefully she wouldn’t pick him as leader after that. I’d be FINE with Ivypool becoming leader, but she’s still Firekin and a main character. It would be great to give a background cat some spotlight.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 20:52:55 GMT -5
This is why in my opinion leaders should not have kits. Not that it would do any harm, but as long as their children were popular and confident and skilled, they'd probably be favored over other cats. This is less about logic and more about ThunderClan almost becoming a monarchy at this point. Let Bramblestar die, let Squirrelflight retire, let some other cat take the leadership position. If Squirrelstar does happen, I'll be crossing my fingers she will choose a non Fire- or Tigerkin cat as deputy. Worst case scenario is everything goes back to the way it was. Edit: Here is how I would do things, provided that Squirrelflight survives. Bramblestar's spirit is unsalvageable and he'll never return. Squirrelflight is next to become leader but turns down the position, and a fresh cat is given the chance of "ruling from the throne". If Squirrelflight does die, then read the final part of the last sentence. Yeah, it’s been so crazy. I think the authors might be trying to make a point of that recently with Thornclaw speaking out against nepotism and Lionblaze being a horrible deputy and temporary leader, eventually having to give the position to Graystripe. They may try to give a non Fire or Tigerkin cat the leadership position. Lilyheart is my top pick for leader and Molewhisker for deputy. Preferably Bramblestar dies in ALITM, maybe have his death symbolically similar to his father’s with his remaining lives being ripped at once. Then, Squirrelflight steps down and retires to the elders’ den. She really needs a break before her eventual death. Then maybe Squirrelflight will choose a qualified cat who isn’t related to her or Bramblestar. We all saw what happened when she picked Lionblaze as her deputy, so hopefully she wouldn’t pick him as leader after that. I’d be FINE with Ivypool becoming leader, but she’s still Firekin and a main character. It would be great to give a background cat some spotlight. Thanks for the info. And thank goodness Lionblaze was a horrible deputy/leader. The last thing I want is Bramblestar dying, followed by Squirrelflight becoming leader and naming Lionblaze her deputy, or Squirrelflight dying or retiring and Lionblaze becomes Lionstar, Lionblaze has kits with Cinderheart (if they are still together), and their "firechildren" become the next in line...
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 7, 2021 20:55:43 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s been so crazy. I think the authors might be trying to make a point of that recently with Thornclaw speaking out against nepotism and Lionblaze being a horrible deputy and temporary leader, eventually having to give the position to Graystripe. They may try to give a non Fire or Tigerkin cat the leadership position. Lilyheart is my top pick for leader and Molewhisker for deputy. Preferably Bramblestar dies in ALITM, maybe have his death symbolically similar to his father’s with his remaining lives being ripped at once. Then, Squirrelflight steps down and retires to the elders’ den. She really needs a break before her eventual death. Then maybe Squirrelflight will choose a qualified cat who isn’t related to her or Bramblestar. We all saw what happened when she picked Lionblaze as her deputy, so hopefully she wouldn’t pick him as leader after that. I’d be FINE with Ivypool becoming leader, but she’s still Firekin and a main character. It would be great to give a background cat some spotlight. Thanks for the info. And thank goodness Lionblaze was a horrible deputy/leader. The last thing I want is Bramblestar dying, followed by Squirrelflight becoming leader and naming Lionblaze her deputy, or Squirrelflight dying or retiring and Lionblaze becomes Lionstar, Lionblaze has kits with Cinderheart (if they are still together), and their "firechildren" become the next in line... Yeah, he was overaggressive and picked fights. Even his own daughter called him out on it lol. Like, imagine being so horrible at your temporary job that most of the Clan agrees that an extremely old elder would be better for the position haha.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 20:56:46 GMT -5
I doubt this is happening, but I hope "The Broken Code" is the editing team's way of cleaning up their mess and doing a softcore restart on the Clans, where we can put all this fire/tiger stuff behind us.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 20:58:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. And thank goodness Lionblaze was a horrible deputy/leader. The last thing I want is Bramblestar dying, followed by Squirrelflight becoming leader and naming Lionblaze her deputy, or Squirrelflight dying or retiring and Lionblaze becomes Lionstar, Lionblaze has kits with Cinderheart (if they are still together), and their "firechildren" become the next in line... Yeah, he was overaggressive and picked fights. Even his own daughter called him out on it lol. Like, imagine being so horrible at your temporary job that most of the Clan agrees that an extremely old elder would be better for the position haha. That's amazing. Haha. Do you see Ivypool becoming leader or deputy? Realistically?
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 7, 2021 21:00:40 GMT -5
Yeah, he was overaggressive and picked fights. Even his own daughter called him out on it lol. Like, imagine being so horrible at your temporary job that most of the Clan agrees that an extremely old elder would be better for the position haha. That's amazing. Haha. Do you see Ivypool becoming leader or deputy? Realistically? I think it’s very possible. I think the Erins might do it. But I honestly hope not. I do think she would clash with Tigerstar which would be interesting and funny imo.
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 21:03:42 GMT -5
That's amazing. Haha. Do you see Ivypool becoming leader or deputy? Realistically? I think it’s very possible. I think the Erins might do it. But I honestly hope not. I do think she would clash with Tigerstar which would be interesting and funny imo. Lol Name me a kit in ThunderClan that's currently alive, any one. Give me a name.
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 7, 2021 21:06:32 GMT -5
I think it’s very possible. I think the Erins might do it. But I honestly hope not. I do think she would clash with Tigerstar which would be interesting and funny imo. Lol Name me a kit in ThunderClan that's currently alive, any one. Give me a name. Uh... there’s kits but we don’t know their names yet. They were only mentioned. We’ll know their names once the preview for ALITM drops I think..
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 21:07:39 GMT -5
Lol Name me a kit in ThunderClan that's currently alive, any one. Give me a name. Uh... there’s kits but we don’t know their names yet. They were only mentioned. We’ll know their names once the preview for ALITM drops I think.. Make one of them leader. They'll have my full support. Anything other than Firekin/Tigerkin.
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 7, 2021 21:09:36 GMT -5
Uh... there’s kits but we don’t know their names yet. They were only mentioned. We’ll know their names once the preview for ALITM drops I think.. Make one of them leader. They'll have my full support. Anything other than Firekin/Tigerkin. What if I told you... the kits are actually Firekin?
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Post by Dark Sun on Jun 7, 2021 21:11:04 GMT -5
Make one of them leader. They'll have my full support. Anything other than Firekin/Tigerkin. What if I told you... the kits are actually Firekin? Then they must BURN!!!!!! I mean, um, have them stay out of Clan politics.
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Post by Mothdapple on Jun 7, 2021 21:11:37 GMT -5
What if I told you... the kits are actually Firekin? Then they must BURN!!!!!! I mean, um, have them stay out of Clan politics. Lol, literally all of the kits and apprentices right now are Firekin.
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