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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 18, 2021 19:18:04 GMT -5
are there any characters that you either loved or hated at first and grew to feel the opposite way towards? why is that?
personally i loved yellowfang and liked bramblestar in the first series and ended up really disliking them both later on. yellowfang was like a cool old grandma in the first series but after she died its like they flanderized her into a total bitch. i sympathized with bramblepaw because he obviously wanted to step out of his father's shadow and seemed like a nice kid, but in tnp his complaining about squirrelpaw got irritating after a while and him going and training with tigerstar was super OOC, and he just got worse and worse as the series went on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 19:23:22 GMT -5
I hated Squirrelflight, Jayfeather and Ivypool, now they're some of faves. I just thought they were all pretty bratty at first.
I still like him, but Tallstar's POV in his book knocked him down from love to like. Yea he went through bad stuff but I just found him brutish and rude, didn't enjoy that SE.
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Post by Snowfire on Apr 18, 2021 19:26:47 GMT -5
I wasn't really a huge fan of Sharpclaw since he was a huge jerk in FQ and SD, but in HJ he seems to be a pretty decent cat.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 18, 2021 21:08:49 GMT -5
Lionblaze has been rescued a lot since his OOTS days in TBC and I look back on him a lot more pleasantly too. He is basically Sir Gawain in cat form.
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Post by whiteflight on Apr 18, 2021 21:20:55 GMT -5
I liked Squrrielflight even if she was a bit annoying from time to time but later down the road (I know it's not her fault) the authors are trying to put her into the spotlight again which is very dumb and annoying. I'm sick and tired of her and old characters being in the spotlight while the new characters are sitting in the dark waiting in line to finally shine
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Post by Mothdapple on Apr 18, 2021 21:23:23 GMT -5
Mapleshade, for sure. She was one of my favorite characters years ago, but now she’s my second to least favorite out of the whole franchise. I think a lot of it was growing up. When I was a huge fan of her, I was a young teen. I would try to justify what she did, saying her victims deserved what they got for “wronging her.” But now that I’m older, mature, and reread Mapleshade’s Vengeance. I have grown a near-hatred for her almost instantly. When I first read the novella, I didn’t catch onto things such as Oakstar and Frecklewish’s immense amounts of grief or the fact that Mapleshade was going to use her kits as a bargaining chip in her relationship with Appledusk. She just rubbed me the wrong way in my reread. She just seemed entitled and acted as if the rules shouldn’t apply to her as well. So, my opinion on her changed drastically due to that.
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Post by Mothdapple on Apr 18, 2021 21:24:12 GMT -5
I also used to dislike Dovewing, but now I like her! I used to think she was really whiny and preferred her sister much better, so I’d push her down to bring Ivypool up.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Apr 18, 2021 21:32:36 GMT -5
Blackstar. I hated him when he was Blackfoot, for obvious reasons, but now I genuinely believe he is the best leader ShadowClan has had since Cedarstar. In the first arc he was a complete ass, but he got better with leadership and he’s a really great character once he becomes leader. He really straightens our ShadowClan, and I was genuinely sad when he died.
I honestly did like Tigerheart when he was an apprentice and at the very beginning of OOTS (on the beaver journey), but as OOTS went on he became more and more unlikeable, and now I genuinely hate him, he is one of my least favorite characters.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Apr 19, 2021 1:07:21 GMT -5
Tigerheart, actually. I liked him a lot at the beginning of OOTS, but then there was the whole Dovewing thing.
I hate him now.
Oakheart, too. I actually disliked him for absolutely no reason.
Silverstream I used to not mind, but I dislike her now.
I used to like Feathertail, but I can't make up my mind about her now.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Apr 19, 2021 12:44:01 GMT -5
I used to like Brambleclaw at the beginning of TNP but then began hating him at the second half of the arc. He's just downright unlikeable and annoying. I can't stand him, Squirrelflight deserves better than him, and he did not deserve the deputyship he was given on a silver platter.
I used to dislike Rootspring a lot, but once he became a warrior and started figuring out himself, i began loving him a lot and now he's a comfort character of mine. And i love how strong and confident he has become, and his relationship with Violetshine, Tree, Needleclaw, and Bristlefrost.
Another character is Dovewing. I disliked her at first, but then i began understanding more and more her character, and i love her. She's relateable and realistic.
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Post by Rainfire on Apr 19, 2021 15:32:57 GMT -5
I was really fond of Bumblestripe at first because I thought his name was cute and that he was sweet and a good brother, but now for various reasons I absolutely cannot stand him.
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Post by Redwing on Apr 19, 2021 16:09:45 GMT -5
Tigerheartstar. I was fine with him in the beginning, disliked him in OOTS, hated him in AVoS, and now like him in the Broken Code after he obliterates the imposter.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Apr 19, 2021 17:06:00 GMT -5
Lionblaze from indifferent to like. I thought he was a battle-hungry cat who only thought about fighting, now I realize his emotions and personality are far more complex than just "war fight."
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 19, 2021 17:56:41 GMT -5
Probably Breezepelt. I used to utterly despise him but honestly I’ve come to really enjoy where they’ve taken his character. I also used to really dislike Longtail too but now I love him.
I used to love Squirrlflight, but honestly, the fandom and her refusing to budge from the spotlight killed that enjoyment for me, so no thanks. Used to like Tigerheart too but after AVOS? Yeah no, bye. Not a fan.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Apr 19, 2021 18:07:32 GMT -5
I used to like Jagged Peak, first as the cute little bro of Gray Wing and Clear Sky, then as the tough but sympathetic cat in The Blazing Star, but after A Forest Divided, I dislike him. I liked him a bit more in Path of Stars, and again disliked him in Moth Flight's Vision.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Apr 19, 2021 19:06:23 GMT -5
Crowfeather
used to despise him but his book really changed things
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 19, 2021 20:46:59 GMT -5
when i was a kid, i liked squirrelflight and graystripe, but now i outright hate both of them.
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Post by scarletflames on Apr 19, 2021 22:01:54 GMT -5
Crowfeather. I used to hate him for his parenting, not just of Breezepaw but the Three due to personal issues and triggers I have. After CT, I'm much closer to neutral with him. If it wasn't for CT, my feelings on him wouldn't have changed, so I'm extremely grateful for that SE.
Graystripe. When I was a kid, his behavior in Fire and Ice didn't bug me as much, and I really liked him, and felt a ton of sympathy for him as his life slowly got more tragic. Sadly as an adult, I dislike him strongly, at least in the first arc, and I even have much less sympathy for him now.
Hollyleaf. I heavily disliked her and her chapters until around Sunset. First I felt pity for her, but wound up disliking her because the deathberry scene bothered me so much when it finally sunk in. I'm now neutral-like with her.
Bluestar. I felt so much sympathy and pity for her as a kid, but now I dislike her, at least in TPB.
Yellowfang *cries*. She was one of my favorite characters in TPB, and I still love her..... before she went to Starclan. I couldn't stand how the Erins made her defend Ashfur! I appreciate they wrote an article on the warriorcats website explaining why Yellowfang defended Ashfur, but Starclan's Kits, it still infuriates me!
It would be like her telling Jayfeather that Breezepelt attacking him at the Moonpool was because Breezepelt "loved too much." Breezepelt is one of my favorite characters, but even I will admit it was an absolute atrocity and most certainly not "out of love" that he maliciously attacked Jayfeather.
Feathertail. I liked her as a kid, but hated FeatherxCrow and eventually heavily disliked Feathertail herself, especially during a spat she had with Stormfur in Moonrise where I completely took his side when he was basically telling Feather her and Crow's relationship worried him. After reading ASiR, I'm neutral, leaning towards like. It gave me much more perspective on how she hadn't forgotten in Moonrise about her trauma in TPB- in fact, in ASiR she had more trauma symptoms than Stormfur, so the TigerClan and Stonefur incidents truly did effect her. ASiR helped me understand why she loved Crowpaw and was willing to give him a chance in spite of him being rude and confrontational throughout the entire journey. I have much more respect for Feathertail now than back then, espeically since I don't think it was implied she was resentful of CrowxLeaf (unless I'm mis-remembering). Unlike a certain spotted, sweet-smelling Thunderclan medicine cat who in a short story if I remember correctly, had resentment for Sandstorm.
I'm not sure if this counts, but I have a feeling I'm going to dislike Tawneypelt when I finally get to AVOS, and she's neutral-like for me so far.
I was neutral on Tigerheart, maybe leaning towards like when he was an apprentice. But after the DovexTiger drama, I couldn't stand him! I don't know if my opinion will change later.
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Post by Aqua on Apr 20, 2021 11:54:39 GMT -5
Breezepelt. Used to love him as a villain, but I began to dislike him immediately after his redemption. He felt like a completely different character in CT.
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Post by crowspirit on Apr 20, 2021 12:01:38 GMT -5
Mapleshade and Ashfur were two of my favourites when I was young and edgy. I just thought they were so cool, that their actions were justified and they deserved StarClan. Don't worry, I got better. Also Breezepelt to a letter extent, but I don't hate him I'm just neutral on him now when I used to love him a few years ago. Started appreciating Lionblaze and Dovewing a lot more, though.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 21, 2021 13:19:41 GMT -5
I used to have a dislike for Squirrelflight, Dovewing and Breezepelt as a child but love/like them now.
I'm not sure when it happened but my disdain for Tigerstar II is getting a bit out of hand at times.
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Post by raptor on Apr 21, 2021 20:14:31 GMT -5
I used to be neutral on/dislike Jaypaw/feather as a kid, probably for how he treated Brightheart, but re-reading Power of Three now he's really growing on me and I'm excited to see parts of his arc that I didn't pay as much attention to when I was younger.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Apr 21, 2021 22:41:16 GMT -5
Bristlefrost. Started out as my fave, now I HATE her.
I'm also more invested in Lionblaze now than I ever was before. I relate to his anger and grief
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 21, 2021 23:03:49 GMT -5
I always considered Squirrelflight to be annoying, bratty, and irritating, and have always disliked her since she appeared. I didn't like how she lied to Bramblestar and the three, I hated her SE, and just found her to be unlikable. But now in TBC, I'm liking her a lot more. I'm enjoying her characterization and honestly? She's not that bad. She's far from being my favorite character, but I can respect her and can understand why people like her.
The same goes for Dovewing. I found her whiny and annoying in OotS, and I still cannot fathom why the editors thought brining up her romance with Tigerheart in AVoS, as well as the ensuing drama, was a good idea. But much like Squirrelflight, I'm actually not minding Dovewing too much in TBC. She's a genuinely good mom and loyal to ShadowClan, so I can't fault her much for that.
Bristlefrost was easily my favorite protagonist in TBC but she's dwindled significantly as of the second half of the arc because it feels like her whole personality revolves around her romance with Rootspring. On the other side of the coin though, Shadowsight went from being ranked last among the protagonists to first place. I'm thoroughly enjoying his character and his determination to atone and put right his mistakes.
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Apr 22, 2021 4:15:47 GMT -5
I used to find Tigerstar an awesome villain
Then when I found out he was just yet another case of a Dark Forest cat pulling his strings (Mapleshade) I fell out of love with him
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Post by Emeraldripple on Apr 22, 2021 15:12:24 GMT -5
One of the characters I've definitely had the biggest shift on is Spottedleaf. When I was younger I absolutely couldn't stand her, but I realize now I was projecting a lot of my own issues onto her, haha. Now I wish we could have seen more of her in the OS, because she honestly feels like she could have been more than what wound up being done with her.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 22, 2021 18:01:21 GMT -5
One of the characters I've definitely had the biggest shift on is Spottedleaf. When I was younger I absolutely couldn't stand her, but I realize now I was projecting a lot of my own issues onto her, haha. Now I wish we could have seen more of her in the OS, because she honestly feels like she could have been more than what wound up being done with her. asdfghjjkkl i remember loving your character rants back on the old forum i hated spottedleaf as a kid for pretty shallow reasons, and while i still don't like her now i agree she could've been a much more interesting character than what we got
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Post by Aqua on Apr 23, 2021 12:20:45 GMT -5
Adding onto this - Bumblestripe, Ivypool, and Squirrelflight. All three of them used to be one of my favorites, but I've grown to dislike them a lot a while back, mostly because of the fandom.
Bumblestripe: He's painted as an innocent, sweet cat to Dovewing even though it's been shown in the books that he bombarded her about kits when she made it clear that she didn't want any. And because of this, his fans say that the books "ruined him for Tigerheart's sake", but people forget that he's always been like this. Bumblestripe isn't anything like Ashfur by any means, but he's definitely inappropriate. I mean, asking to do it with your ex girlfriend just after someone died isn't really the best time for that.
Ivypool: She's alright. There's times when I respect her, but once the fandom excuses her for her terrible behavior, I'm done. It's no different compared to how the fandom treats Squirrelflight. Yes, she's worried about her sister, yes, she cares about her, and yes, I know Dovewing is stupid, but really? Getting involved into your sister's marriage isn't okay, no matter how you look at it. She even told her to be with Bumblestripe, even though they've broken up years ago, and when she stops talking to Dovewing completely, her fans say she's "putting her foot down". Dovewing was hurt by this, and didn't fully understand why her sister was avoiding her. So needless to say, the fandom annoyed me with this character. I'll never truly like her again. They'll excuse her for everything and say this is okay because Dovewing is stupid, which honestly pisses me off about her. I know it sounds like I hate Ivypool, and I don't; there's actually times when I do admire her for her loyalty and determination, but she's also very frustrating and had no right to get involved into her sister's relationship.
Squirrelflight is a similar case. But it's worse. Her fans will baby her and excuse her for the stuff she does wrong. She lied to Bramblestar about the Three, his own KITS THAT HE HELPED RAISE, and people defend this by saying she was trying to protect his status. I mean, if he lied with Squirrelflight, I am pretty sure Bramblestar would put his own FAMILY first before the cats judging him and accusing him of being a liar. This is also proven when he says that he's more upset about her not trusting him, and literally says that he'd have helped her if she told the truth. She also treats him like shit about Hawkfrost, and people say she's right about that too. So what if she is? It doesn't give her the excuse to avoid him, then act like the victim and wonder why he isn't talking to her and complains to Leafpool about it. Then her fans will say she's doing the right thing to protect the Sisters while she's being dishonest and sneaky. Well, her actions also caused damage between her and Bramblestar. Being dishonest and sneaky is a bad reputation for a deputy, even if she had good intentions. Leafstar didn't even WANT her help, and called her out for her behavior, which is really sad. She really didn't have the right to get her own clan involved into this mess. Good intentions or not, it doesn't excuse her behavior. Like someone said in another topic, even if she does have good intentions, the way how she handles it are questionable at best. Squirrelflight doesn't handle things the right way, but her fans will paint Bramblestar as a punk and claim she was right anyways. It's annoying, and it doesn't help that people also bring up personal issues when you debate and you can't even defend yourself because you'll just look bad if you defend Bramblestar too.
Edit: I'm not looking for a debate. Thanks.
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Post by Ghost/Aster on Apr 23, 2021 12:59:34 GMT -5
My opinions haven't changed much, but I have a weird example.
I was going into Omen of the Stars thinking I was going to hate Dovewing, but I ended up liking her a little more then I expected. Unlike some people who hate one sister, and love the other, I like both Ivypool and Dovewing a good amount.
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