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Post by cygna on Apr 13, 2021 21:07:52 GMT -5
Okay warriors most hated she cats. But whose worse in your opinion. I’ve made it no secret that I genuinely like Spottedleaf and loathe Star Flower but feel free to state your own opinions.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 13, 2021 22:16:50 GMT -5
i hate both of them, but spottedleaf is worse. at least dotc tried to make star flower look better and tried to play it off as an actual redemption...but spottedleaf? if star flower's "redemption" felt fake, then spottedleaf's was even worse and way more fake. spottedleaf has been ingenuine and disgusting her entire existence in the series lmao
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Post by Rainsplash on Apr 14, 2021 6:03:02 GMT -5
I hate Star Flower, but I have Spottedleaf so much more. I don't exactly bump my head in anything available when the name "Star Flower" appears on page, but whenever somebody says "Spottedleaf, one of the greatest medicine cats" or "Her sweet scent" or any of her lines or her name, I so want to kill her. Spottedleaf is way overused and she's painted as a wonderful Mary Sue in books. That's what makes her a full Mary Sue. Nobody views her badly! Star Flower's redemption was obviously forced, but Spottedleaf - I just can't write it down, but I hate Spottedleaf much more.
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Post by fire on Apr 14, 2021 7:10:59 GMT -5
They're both pretty horrible cats. I hate Star Flower more right now, but that's prolly cuz I haven't gotten to the books where Spottedleaf is a complete creep.
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 14, 2021 9:20:20 GMT -5
My hatred for Star Flower cannot and will never surpass the absolute abhorration I feel and have felt towards Spottedleaf for so many years in comparison.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 14, 2021 11:21:17 GMT -5
Spottedleaf only because she's been around longer, although I probably have more burning anger towards Star Flower.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 14, 2021 12:27:39 GMT -5
Spottedleaf.
But Star Flower is still such a complete pain in the neck.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Apr 14, 2021 17:12:34 GMT -5
Spottedleaf. She's a total creep.
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Post by whiteflight on Apr 14, 2021 22:19:26 GMT -5
Star Flower. I never got to finish DoTC but from what I've read and heard she uses Thunder for information and then gets together with his father and she said that Clear Sky did nothing wrong!? Something's wrong with her brain. She would have been great as a villain but guess they didn't want that path
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Apr 15, 2021 19:42:08 GMT -5
Spottedleaf. We had to deal with her stalking until TLH...where she got killed for a second time to stop it
Star Flower is grating, but at least she's not as dragged on
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 21:22:46 GMT -5
Easily Spottedcreep.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 15, 2021 22:22:51 GMT -5
star flower never stalked a kid, so spottedleaf
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Post by Rainfire on Apr 15, 2021 23:49:05 GMT -5
Easily Spottedleaf because I love Star Flower to death, and at least the worst of Star Flower is contained to three books at the end of one arc.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Apr 16, 2021 16:24:18 GMT -5
Star Flower is so much worse. There are moments where I actually like Spottedleaf, while for Star Flower, her mere name makes me angry.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Apr 16, 2021 18:18:19 GMT -5
Star Flower is better because she got to be an actual character while she was still alive. Spottedleaf feels more like a plot device than a developed character more often than not.
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Post by Aqua on Apr 20, 2021 11:58:25 GMT -5
People are actually saying Spottedleaf is worse? She's probably one of the most tolerable characters compared to the new ones we've been getting lately lol.
I don't mind either of them. Neutral on both. The hatred for Star Flower and Spottedleaf are both too extreme imo. Star Flower saw she was wrong and took the right path, and Spottedleaf is gone. Let's all move on lmao.
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Post by crowspirit on Apr 20, 2021 12:04:48 GMT -5
Spottedleaf because she's in way more books than Star Flower is. That's it. That's literally my entire reason.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Apr 20, 2021 19:16:07 GMT -5
People are actually saying Spottedleaf is worse? She's probably one of the most tolerable characters compared to the new ones we've been getting lately lol. I don't mind either of them. Neutral on both. The hatred for Star Flower and Spottedleaf are both too extreme imo. Star Flower saw she was wrong and took the right path, and Spottedleaf is gone. Let's all move on lmao. Spottedleaf deserves the hate she gets for her obsession with Firestar through the ENTIRE series. Death doesn't stop her. It takes killing her a secondary time.
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Post by cygna on Apr 21, 2021 20:03:56 GMT -5
People are actually saying Spottedleaf is worse? She's probably one of the most tolerable characters compared to the new ones we've been getting lately lol. I don't mind either of them. Neutral on both. The hatred for Star Flower and Spottedleaf are both too extreme imo. Star Flower saw she was wrong and took the right path, and Spottedleaf is gone. Let's all move on lmao. Spottedleaf deserves the hate she gets for her obsession with Firestar through the ENTIRE series. Death doesn't stop her. It takes killing her a secondary time. Please don't hate me for saying this or anything but I respectfully disagree. I'm not telling you to like Spottedleaf or anything because your as free to have your opinion as I am to have mine but It just doesn't seem fair to me that your saying Spottedleaf deserves ALL the hate for that relationship and Firestar should get NONE of the blame. Firestar always seemed to be leading her on while knowing what was between them could never be fulfilled, of course Spottedleaf shouldn't have been so blind in her love for him either. While Firestar apperantly told her ONE TIME that he couldn't be in love with a memory we never see him act on it and apperantly one of the Erins said it would be hard for HIM to choose between them. In Bramblestar's Storm he still thinks about her so I would say this isn't a one sided infatuation. I think people blame Spottedleaf because they don't like her and excuse Firestar because they like him. So I do think the hate for her is a little extreme as well.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Apr 21, 2021 21:44:51 GMT -5
Spottedleaf deserves the hate she gets for her obsession with Firestar through the ENTIRE series. Death doesn't stop her. It takes killing her a secondary time. Please don't hate me for saying this or anything but I respectfully disagree. I'm not telling you to like Spottedleaf or anything because your as free to have your opinion as I am to have mine but It just doesn't seem fair to me that your saying Spottedleaf deserves ALL the hate for that relationship and Firestar should get NONE of the blame. Firestar always seemed to be leading her on while knowing what was between them could never be fulfilled, of course Spottedleaf shouldn't have been so blind in her love for him either. While Firestar apperantly told her ONE TIME that he couldn't be in love with a memory we never see him act on it and apperantly one of the Erins said it would be hard for HIM to choose between them. In Bramblestar's Storm he still thinks about her so I would say this isn't a one sided infatuation. I think people blame Spottedleaf because they don't like her and excuse Firestar because they like him. So I do think the hate for her is a little extreme as well. Firestar still moves on and has kits. Spottedleaf is the one appearing in his dreams. It's not just her obsession I hate her for. She's also a terrible Starclan guide. What she did to Leafpool is ridiculous. She just doesn't have any redeeming qualities to me.
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Post by cygna on Apr 22, 2021 3:51:18 GMT -5
Please don't hate me for saying this or anything but I respectfully disagree. I'm not telling you to like Spottedleaf or anything because your as free to have your opinion as I am to have mine but It just doesn't seem fair to me that your saying Spottedleaf deserves ALL the hate for that relationship and Firestar should get NONE of the blame. Firestar always seemed to be leading her on while knowing what was between them could never be fulfilled, of course Spottedleaf shouldn't have been so blind in her love for him either. While Firestar apperantly told her ONE TIME that he couldn't be in love with a memory we never see him act on it and apperantly one of the Erins said it would be hard for HIM to choose between them. In Bramblestar's Storm he still thinks about her so I would say this isn't a one sided infatuation. I think people blame Spottedleaf because they don't like her and excuse Firestar because they like him. So I do think the hate for her is a little extreme as well. Firestar still moves on and has kits. Spottedleaf is the one appearing in his dreams. It's not just her obsession I hate her for. She's also a terrible Starclan guide. What she did to Leafpool is ridiculous. She just doesn't have any redeeming qualities to me. Which is exactly why he should be blamed more than her. He moved on, yet he didn’t get rid of Spottedleaf permanently despite the fact he now had a loving mate and kits. If anyone is at fault here it’s Firestar. yes I will agree with you she is an awful Starclan guide but Leafpool should be held responsible for her actions as well, once again she seems to be getting all the blame because people don’t like her while no one is holding Leafpool responsible because she’s a fan favorite. I also think she does have redeeming qualities(at least when she was alive) Because she spent her life as a medicine cat heeling cats. Her first death can also be attributed to her trying to protect Frostfur’s kits and that seems pretty redeeming to me.
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 22, 2021 14:44:28 GMT -5
Firestar still moves on and has kits. Spottedleaf is the one appearing in his dreams. It's not just her obsession I hate her for. She's also a terrible Starclan guide. What she did to Leafpool is ridiculous. She just doesn't have any redeeming qualities to me. Which is exactly why he should be blamed more than her. He moved on, yet he didn’t get rid of Spottedleaf permanently despite the fact he now had a loving mate and kits. If anyone is at fault here it’s Firestar. What do you want him to do? Straight up tell her to gtfo? That's not Firestar. He told her he wasn't in love with her anymore and had moved on in the most obvious way there is (Having a mate in Sandstorm and raising kits with her and being devoted to them for years, you can't get more obvious than that), what should've happened is Spottedleaf should've LISTENED and actually try to move on herself, even reluctantly would be enough but at least she'd still move on from him like she should've a long time ago. Instead she basically went to "the next best thing" and started stalking his family and other connections to keep her attachment to him somehow. Hell in SD she is, rather visibly if I might add, NOT all that happy that he had kits with Sandstorm, I'd even say she resents the fact that he has somewhat by how unhappy and brisk she is about it to Leafstar to the point Leafstar notices, which is disturbing if you ask me. She can't even be happy that her friend's legacy will live on because "oh I lurrve him... I know he has a mate that isn't me but see his kits as my own and sometimes wish they were because that's not weird at all." Firestar DID his part in turning her down for good, and cherished her as a friend and nothing more after that. Spottedleaf however was so obsessed she would not, Jayfeather even notes in The Sight that she was STILL in love with him by POT time, long after he rejects her and stops seeing her. (Since SHA itself takes place likely mid-late TNP if her comments on Leafpool are anything to go by, but with how vague the short is for all we know he probably officially rejected her long before that after FQ).
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 22, 2021 17:41:11 GMT -5
Even as someone who doesn't like nor care for FireSand, I still think Firestar should have been much more honest and straight with Spottedleaf. It took him until the end of FSQ for him to finally tell her to chill out because he liked Sandstorm. If he knew Sandstorm wasn't happy about it before, he honestly should have done it sooner. If I were Sandstorm I'd feel the same way.
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Post by cygna on Apr 22, 2021 17:42:20 GMT -5
Which is exactly why he should be blamed more than her. He moved on, yet he didn’t get rid of Spottedleaf permanently despite the fact he now had a loving mate and kits. If anyone is at fault here it’s Firestar. What do you want him to do? Straight up tell her to gtfo? That's not Firestar. He told her he wasn't in love with her anymore and had moved on in the most obvious way there is (Having a mate in Sandstorm and raising kits with her and being devoted to them for years, you can't get more obvious than that), what should've happened is Spottedleaf should've LISTENED and actually try to move on herself, even reluctantly would be enough but at least she'd still move on from him like she should've a long time ago. Instead she basically went to "the next best thing" and started stalking his family and other connections to keep her attachment to him somehow. Hell in SD she is, rather visibly if I might add, NOT all that happy that he had kits with Sandstorm, I'd even say she resents the fact that he has somewhat by how unhappy and brisk she is about it to Leafstar to the point Leafstar notices, which is disturbing if you ask me. She can't even be happy that her friend's legacy will live on because "oh I lurrve him... I know he has a mate that isn't me but see his kits as my own and sometimes wish they were because that's not weird at all." Firestar DID his part in turning her down for good, and cherished her as a friend and nothing more after that. Spottedleaf however was so obsessed she would not, Jayfeather even notes in The Sight that she was STILL in love with him by POT time, long after he rejects her and stops seeing her. (Since SHA itself takes place likely mid-late TNP if her comments on Leafpool are anything to go by, but with how vague the short is for all we know he probably officially rejected her long before that after FQ). Okay, I can't say I'm 100% sold but I don't want bad blood with anyone so I'm not going to fight you over my controversial opinion when you clearly have a good point and I'm going to look delusional if I don't recognise that. I just don't think she deserves that much hate despite her huge flaws...
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Apr 22, 2021 20:41:27 GMT -5
Firestar still moves on and has kits. Spottedleaf is the one appearing in his dreams. It's not just her obsession I hate her for. She's also a terrible Starclan guide. What she did to Leafpool is ridiculous. She just doesn't have any redeeming qualities to me. Which is exactly why he should be blamed more than her. He moved on, yet he didn’t get rid of Spottedleaf permanently despite the fact he now had a loving mate and kits. If anyone is at fault here it’s Firestar. yes I will agree with you she is an awful Starclan guide but Leafpool should be held responsible for her actions as well, once again she seems to be getting all the blame because people don’t like her while no one is holding Leafpool responsible because she’s a fan favorite. I also think she does have redeeming qualities(at least when she was alive) Because she spent her life as a medicine cat heeling cats. Her first death can also be attributed to her trying to protect Frostfur’s kits and that seems pretty redeeming to me. People blame Spottedleaf because she's the one who should have known better. Leafpool was a YOUNG cat and Spottedleaf gives her this awful of advice of vaguely following her heart and then gets angry at her for doing that. If she wasn't angry at Leafpool, I wouldn't be as disgusted but she gets mad. I also let Leafpool off because Leafpool wouldn't have come back if Cinderpelt wouldn't have died, and I kind of wish she had run away and stayed away with Crowfeather. As others have stated, probably better than me, Spottedleaf just never takes the hint and constantly inserts herself in Firestar's affairs (including her reason for adoring his daughters). She doesn't take the hint.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:11:45 GMT -5
What? Firestar literally visited her and told her he was moving on though?? Not once but twice, in Firestar's Quest and Spottedleaf's Honest Answer. Not his fault Spottedleaf can't take a hint or control herself.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on May 6, 2021 13:45:06 GMT -5
Spottedleaf. Star Flower had a pretty hard past, and ofcourse it was bad that she betrayed Thunder (AS SHE SHOULD), but One Eye was the only one she had. Star Flower had an actual redemption with Clear Sky. Spottedleaf is just horrible.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on May 6, 2021 13:48:52 GMT -5
Easily Spottedleaf because I love Star Flower to death, and at least the worst of Star Flower is contained to three books at the end of one arc. FINALLY SOMEONE WHO LOVES STAR FLOWER. Sometimes I feel like I'm alone in the fandom when it's about Star Flower
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Post by fishbreeze on May 6, 2021 13:54:23 GMT -5
Spottedleaf, because at least Star Flower isn't written like she's the most perfect thing ever no matter what.
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