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Parallels
Apr 3, 2021 20:04:40 GMT -5
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Post by cygna on Apr 3, 2021 20:04:40 GMT -5
Does anyone see parallels between certain characters? I’m just curious if you saw any intentional or not
I honestly can’t think of any
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 4, 2021 5:29:00 GMT -5
Lionheart and Lionblaze, not only because of their similar names.
They also look alike as well and are both considered to be rather strong warriors of ThunderClan.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Apr 4, 2021 6:20:15 GMT -5
Brambleclaw and Tawnypelt when they were younger, having to deal with their father's legacy. (And to some regards, Hawkfrost and Mothwing) Hollyleaf and Bristlefrost in their determination to uphold the warrior code.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 4, 2021 10:16:00 GMT -5
Thistleclaw and Crookedstar come off like it, as Thistleclaw is kind of what Crookedstar would become if the tragedies in his life defined him. The scene where he sees Thistleclaw in the Dark Forest comes off like him getting a Ghost of Christmas Future moment
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Apr 4, 2021 18:56:31 GMT -5
The sister pairs- Squirrelflight and Leafpool, Dovewing and Ivypool, and Twigbranch and Violetshine. Their sister dynamics and personalities tend to mirror the others, and what I've seen in this fandom is that when someone likes Squirrel, they also like Twig and Dove and tend to not really care about Leaf, Ivy, and Violet and vice versa.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Apr 4, 2021 20:35:21 GMT -5
Sol and Hollyleaf - They have opposite motivations (one hates the Warrior Code, while the other lives for it) and return from exile in the same book. Both assume or pretend that they have divine powers, but actually have none to speak of.
Clear Sky and One Eye - Clear Sky acts the way he does because at his core, he's self-hating. He failed to save both of his prior mates, as well as Fluttering Bird. By guarding his territory militantly and staying away from others, he thinks that he can avoid experiencing that sort of pain again. Similarly, One Eye is also selfish and greedy, but he differs in that he makes no excuses for what he does. Clear Sky's downfall was shaped by his loss and perceived failure to protect the ones he cared about, while One Eye cares about no one but himself and what he stands to gain.
Mapleshade and Crookedstar - Mapleshade herself was never a good cat, but her kits were innocents that were punished for the sins of their mother. Crookedkit just so happened to be a descendant of Appledusk, and so Mapleshade decided that he needed to suffer due to what his ancestor did. Her justification for hurting him is the exact same reason why she took vengeance in the first place.
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Post by Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт on Apr 4, 2021 22:20:28 GMT -5
Lionblaze and Breezepelt - Two half-brothers with more in common than a father. Both nearly died at the daylight Gathering, both saved by their other brother Jayfeather. Both fell for Heathertail and the Dark Forest’s lies. The difference is that Lionblaze decided to end both his relationship with Heathertail and his Dark Forest training but Breezepelt continued, only turning away from his evil deeds after The Great Battle. Both are now controversial but ultimately respected warriors in the Clans.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Apr 5, 2021 1:38:05 GMT -5
Gonna go out on a crazy limb and say Jayfeather and Blackstar.
Blackstar's doubts about StarClan are first introduced in Outcast, and in that same scene he mentions how there must have been cats who lived by the Lake before the Clans-- the same idea that's been tormenting Jaypaw for the last two books. Though Hollypaw witnesses that scene and later talks to Jaypaw about said ancient cats and even makes the connection between these two, she never actually mentions either cat to the other.
Later on, Jaypaw is captivated by Sol, and is in fact the first cat to fall under his spell. Blackstar is then the first leader to fall under Sol's spell as well, though by that time Jaypaw has (kinda) wised up.
Is it a weak parallel? Yes. Is it still enough of a parallel that I'm mad they didn't explore it more? Also yes.
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Post by mapleleafsunset on Apr 5, 2021 7:44:09 GMT -5
There are big parallels between Ivypool and Hollyleaf, both of them have arcs dealing with their emotions around not being a part of the prophecy, and both of them go down a darker path as a result of these feelings. Hollyleaf kills Ashfur and confronts Leafpool whilst Ivypool trains in the Dark Forest. Both of them are brash and both eventually realise the error in their ways.
You could definitely argue that Hollyleaf and Breezepelt have similar parallels as well, with both impacted by the secret of the Three's parents, however Breezepelt shows what Hollyleaf could have become if she took her hatred further and perhaps stayed in the clans beyond the reveal of the secret. Really with Breezepelt he has parallels with all of the Three, showing what they could have become if they continued down dark paths
Mistystar acts as a bit of a parallel to her own mother Bluestar, with both becoming leaders of different clans, and honestly their leadership styles aren't too different. Both become closed off at somepoint, and both are known to be wise, and have a strong trust in StarClan.
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Post by cygna on Apr 5, 2021 20:39:18 GMT -5
There are big parallels between Ivypool and Hollyleaf, both of them have arcs dealing with their emotions around not being a part of the prophecy, and both of them go down a darker path as a result of these feelings. Hollyleaf kills Ashfur and confronts Leafpool whilst Ivypool trains in the Dark Forest. Both of them are brash and both eventually realise the error in their ways. You could definitely argue that Hollyleaf and Breezepelt have similar parallels as well, with both impacted by the secret of the Three's parents, however Breezepelt shows what Hollyleaf could have become if she took her hatred further and perhaps stayed in the clans beyond the reveal of the secret. Really with Breezepelt he has parallels with all of the Three, showing what they could have become if they continued down dark paths Mistystar acts as a bit of a parallel to her own mother Bluestar, with both becoming leaders of different clans, and honestly their leadership styles aren't too different. Both become closed off at somepoint, and both are known to be wise, and have a strong trust in StarClan. What you said about Mistystar and Bluestar did make me think of something. I think Bluestar shares parallels with her uncle Goosefeather too in a way. They were both “Destined for great things” but that really ended up tearing them both apart. Their downward spirals led them to being partially responsible for the deaths of some of their clan mates and they weren’t close to many people apart from their apprentices.
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Post by mapleleafsunset on Apr 6, 2021 1:37:51 GMT -5
I hadn't even thought of that !! There's definitely some interesting parallels with Goosefeather and Bluestar. Especially if you add on the idea that they were both overwhelmed by prophecies that weren't to do with them. Bluestar dealt with the prophecy about Firestar, and Goosefeather dealt with loads of prophecies he couldn't control
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 6, 2021 17:24:12 GMT -5
Graystripe and Daisy, mostly during TBC though
Both of them felt useless and out of place in ThunderClan. Graystripe due to his age, and Daisy because there weren't any kits to help raise. Graystripe isn't in his prime anymore, and Daisy's skills lie in helping raise kits, and the Clan they've come to love so dearly is full of constant fighting after being nearly torn apart by Ashfur.
Speaking of Ashfur, both of them were directly affected by him as well. Both of them lost family members as a result (Stemleaf, Berrynose, and Rosepetal), and both Graystripe's Vow and Daisy's Kin make it obvious that despite the love they have for ThunderClan, they both can't help but feel useless given the current circumstances.
Then, both of them go on their own for a while, helping a figure from their past (Gremlin and Smoky, respectively), as well as actively involved with their kits (Fang, and Coriander and Little Daisy). They relive important moments of their past and realize that at heart, they are a Clan cat. But what happens to both of them? Graystripe realizes that despite his age, he can still contribute to ThunderClan and heads back home. Daisy comes to realize that although there's no kits to help raise, she can still help out. When they both return, Graystripe takes up leadership for them, and Daisy comes back to find that Spotfur's kitted, and she'll need help.
Basically, they both come to realize that despite their "setbacks", there's a place for them in ThunderClan, and when they return, they're warmly welcomed and were obviously missed, and now both of them are helping the Clan they love in the ways that suit them best.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 6, 2021 17:39:37 GMT -5
Graystripe and Daisy, mostly during TBC though Both of them felt useless and out of place in ThunderClan. Graystripe due to his age, and Daisy because there weren't any kits to help raise. Graystripe isn't in his prime anymore, and Daisy's skills lie in helping raise kits, and the Clan they've come to love so dearly is full of constant fighting after being nearly torn apart by Ashfur. Speaking of Ashfur, both of them were directly affected by him as well. Both of them lost family members as a result (Stemleaf, Berrynose, and Rosepetal), and both Graystripe's Vow and Daisy's Kin make it obvious that despite the love they have for ThunderClan, they both can't help but feel useless given the current circumstances. Then, both of them go on their own for a while, helping a figure from their past (Gremlin and Smoky, respectively), as well as actively involved with their kits (Fang, and Coriander and Little Daisy). They relive important moments of their past and realize that at heart, they are a Clan cat. But what happens to both of them? Graystripe realizes that despite his age, he can still contribute to ThunderClan and heads back home. Daisy comes to realize that although there's no kits to help raise, she can still help out. When they both return, Graystripe takes up leadership for them, and Daisy comes back to find that Spotfur's kitted, and she'll need help. Basically, they both come to realize that despite their "setbacks", there's a place for them in ThunderClan, and when they return, they're warmly welcomed and were obviously missed, and now both of them are helping the Clan they love in the ways that suit them best. I do think that it's interesting how it makes the title of The Broken Code take on a double meaning. For Graystripe, Daisy, and many others, they were dissatisfied with what the code offered them; it was broken for them. Ashfur merely threw those problems into sharp relief with his own breaking of it.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Apr 7, 2021 14:42:07 GMT -5
Bristlefrost and Ivypool.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 21:41:49 GMT -5
Hollyleaf and Juniperclaw 1. They're both black cats with green eyes 2. They're both named after evergreen plants 3. They were both kits of a deputy 4. They both had two littermates 5. They both tried poisoning a cat with death berries, well Juniperclaw actually did poison Sparrowpelt, but yeah. 6. They both died saving a cat who was very important to the plot with Hollyleaf saving Ivypool and Juniperclaw saving Shadowsight (and Rootspring).
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Post by scarletflames on Apr 8, 2021 2:20:31 GMT -5
Brokenstar and Sol- both were extremely manipulative and cunning villains.
Hawkfrost and Brokenstar were both not just manipulative, but power-hungry and ambitious, and willing to murder or attempt to murder their kin.
Brokenstar and Crookedstar- they have nothing alike in terms of personality, but they were some of the only characters in Warriors to have gone through extremely severe child abuse.
Lizardstripe and Rainflower- both were child abusers and both are in my most hated Warrior Cats list.
Crowfeather and Spiderleg- both had prickly personalities and (without realizing it) emotionally neglected their kits, but made up for it later (Spiderleg playing with his kits, I don't remember which book) and Crowfeather in CT.
Tawneypelt and Tigerheart- both were fiercely loyal to Shadowclan and willing to do controversial actions in order to help Shadowclan survive (Tawneypelt taking her kits to TC because Sol manipulated Blackstar, and Tawneypelt asking for Bramblestar's help in Bramblestar's Storm) and Tigerheart willing to cat-nap Ivypool and hold her hostage for herbs, costing him his relationship with Dovewing (until they got back together again).
Tawneypelt and Crowfeather- After Tawneypelt asked for Bramblestar's help, she was accused of being disloyal to Shadowclan. During the majority of CT, Onestar also unfairly accused Crowfeather of being disloyal.
Palebird and Whollytail and Berrynose and Poppyfrost- Palebird and Berrynose both lost their mates, but got together with other cats moons after their previous mates died, if I'm remembering correctly.
Berrynose and Breezepelt- Berrynose is considered annoying by some of his clanmates, or at least some of his actions/comments annoyed his clanmates several times in the series, and Breezepelt is outright hated by some of his clanmates.
- When Bramblestar and Leafstar became leaders, in Bramblestar's Storm and Skyclan's Destiny, both second-guessed themselves a lot and had a lot of insecurities, and both wondered what Firestar would have done in their place.
- Ravenpaw and Barely. Both showed symptoms of PTSD after going through traumatic events, and had to leave their original homes for their own safety. In the Ravenpaw mangas, Ravenpaw didn't listen to Barely's concerns about the Rogues, but later in the manga Barely didn't listen to Ravenpaw's concerns about Barely's brothers taking advantage of them. Both were willing to work out their disagreements the few times they quarreled, and they have fairly similar personalities and opinions. I love them as mates or just friends- they are some of my favorite background characters.
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Parallels
Apr 8, 2021 4:26:23 GMT -5
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Post by daurianwind on Apr 8, 2021 4:26:23 GMT -5
Firestar and Tigerstar, both strong ambitious leaders with on-own-mind. Fire choose right way, Tiger not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 7:53:24 GMT -5
I thought of another one..Mudclaw and Tigerclaw
1. They are both dark brown tabbies with amber eyes 2. They both have the claw suffix 3. They both grew up without a father 4. They both had apprentices named after birds of the corvidae family, and both of their apprentices left the clans without warning, Crowfeather did come back, but he still left to go on the journey 5. They were both deputy of their clan, but they didn't become leader of the clan they were deputy in, Tigerclaw did become leader of ShadowClan, but not of ThunderClan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 14:50:31 GMT -5
This might seem obvious to some people, but Tigerstar I and Tigerstar II. - They are both dark brown tabbies with amber eyes - They both became leader of ShadowClan despite not being deputy of that Clan at the time - They both became mates with a ThunderClan cat - They both left the Clans temporarily, and brought back both old and new Clanmates. - Their fathers were both leaders - Their fathers both stepped down as leader - They were both still instrumental to the plot after their deaths (Tigerstar II literally came back to life, but it still counts) Both of their fathers were also named after trees and had reddish fur
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 20, 2021 17:02:33 GMT -5
The sister pairs- Squirrelflight and Leafpool, Dovewing and Ivypool, and Twigbranch and Violetshine. Their sister dynamics and personalities tend to mirror the others, and what I've seen in this fandom is that when someone likes Squirrel, they also like Twig and Dove and tend to not really care about Leaf, Ivy, and Violet and vice versa. i'd switch squirrel and leaf but aside from that i've noticed that too
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Post by cygna on Apr 21, 2021 19:38:34 GMT -5
The sister pairs- Squirrelflight and Leafpool, Dovewing and Ivypool, and Twigbranch and Violetshine. Their sister dynamics and personalities tend to mirror the others, and what I've seen in this fandom is that when someone likes Squirrel, they also like Twig and Dove and tend to not really care about Leaf, Ivy, and Violet and vice versa. i'd switch squirrel and leaf but aside from that i've noticed that too I would consider myself an oddity then. I personally am not the biggest fan of Squirrelflight, Leafpool, Dovewing, or Ivypool, while I adore both Violetshine and Twigbranch but when choosing which I prefer out of each sister pair I would say I like Squirrelflight, Ivypool, & Twigbranch a bit more than their sister to varying degrees.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 23:18:19 GMT -5
not the most dramatic parallel but i love that both mapleshade and appledusk have names that are basically just "treedark"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 1:20:13 GMT -5
Onestar and Firestar. Both were happy-go-lucky warriors, albeit flawed at times, both hung out with housecats/loners at some point in their lives, both had to deal with multiple relationships (Onestar literal and Firestar emotional with Spottedleaf), both had cats in their clan that disagreed with them becoming deputy, and both faced an attack on their clan from one of their own warriors. Both had a significant portion of their clan that often disapproved of certain leadership decisions (Firestar getting called out for checking on Onestar and letting too many outsiders join, Onestar getting called out on being too friendly to ThunderClan and giving them territory).
The clear difference being that Onestar bended his actions and behavior to please his clan while Firestar didn't. While they were different to begin with in that Firestar was already known as the clan's savior while Onestar lacked that title, Firestar rarely ever changed his stances, while Onestar's ebbed and flowed according to what was popular with his warriors at the time. Firestar was boss, while Onestar was the politician- Firestar never having to fear that he would lose control while Onestar eternally afraid of losing an election.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 22, 2021 17:44:47 GMT -5
Firestar and Needletail. Both of them coming to the same realization about clan law and prejudice. However whereas Firestar respected Clan culture, Needletail didn't. Firestar worked within it's system more passively, and Needletail worked against it more aggressively, both having very similar realization but approaching the issue in different ways.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 22, 2021 17:57:05 GMT -5
i'd switch squirrel and leaf but aside from that i've noticed that too I would consider myself an oddity then. I personally am not the biggest fan of Squirrelflight, Leafpool, Dovewing, or Ivypool, while I adore both Violetshine and Twigbranch but when choosing which I prefer out of each sister pair I would say I like Squirrelflight, Ivypool, & Twigbranch a bit more than their sister to varying degrees. i find that with most people which sister you prefer depends on whether you like more aggressive or sweet characters
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