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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 21, 2021 17:08:56 GMT -5
Let's pretend we're all editors at Working Partners, and got to read over each of the book drafts before publication. In this power fantasy, you could look at character decisions you hated in advance, and get away with slipping subtle changes to them into the manuscript. If you change too much, you'll be caught; but surely no one would notice if you tweaked one tiny thing per character, right? You can change a character's name, their fate, their appearance, their mate or lack thereof; the only limitation is that you can only pick one thing. Here are a few of my picks: - Rosepetal lives. I'm still peeved that one of the few background ThunderClanners with a defined personality was unceremoniously killed off. - Sparkpelt is named Sparkstorm. I never liked 'Sparkfire', and she'd be named after Sandstorm to match Alderheart being named in honour of Fireheart. - Blossomfall gets with either Toadstep, Stormcloud, or Fernsong. - Tigerheartstar is still a golden tabby like he was in his original description. There are way too many dark brown tabby toms in this series already, and a golden/orangey pelt would actually make him look like a tiger.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Mar 21, 2021 18:47:16 GMT -5
Yes to all of these. Also:
- I would change Twigbranch's name to Twigtail or Twigfoot. They're not perfect, but they're a lot better than Twigbranch.
- I would also change Blazefire to Blazeheart.
- Tigerheartstar would've died and stayed dead when the owl dropped him and we would've eventually ended up with Tawnystar instead. I genuinely think it would be an interesting concept having two littermates leading two different Clans. Also, I hate Tigerheartstar.
- Rosepetal would not only live but she'd get the happy ending she deserved - mate, kits, everything she wanted because she as a cinnamon roll and I love her.
- Star Flower and Clear Sky would never get together and Clear Sky's redemption would actually be well written.
- And this one is looking into the future since I don't really know what happens, but if it were up to me, Bramblestar would stay dead and we'd either get Squirrelstar or Lionstar. I can't decide whether I want Squirrelflight to come back or not.
I probably have others, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right now.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Mar 21, 2021 18:55:02 GMT -5
- Any cat with the -pelt or -fur suffix gets it changed to literally anything else.
- Firestar gets with either Cinderpelt or Goldenflower.
- The mother of Tigerstar's second litter of kits is Leopardstar instead.
- Brambleclaw gets with either Leafpool, Feathertail, Sorreltail or Daisy.
- Squirrelflight gets with either Stormfur or Shrewpaw.
- Ashfur stays a generic background character.
- The parents of The Original Three were not involved in a forbidden romance.
- Lionblaze gets with either Icecloud or Poppyfrost instead.
- Hollyleaf is part of The Three and thus isn't killed off because of having plot armor this time.
- Minor characters with actual personalities are not murdered for zero reasons (like Rosepetal or Toadstep).
- More gay canon gay couples and characters (TallJake and BarleyRaven just aren't enough)
- Speaking of which, let Tallstar move on with another mate because Jake did too (maybe Barkface)
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Post by Rainsplash on Mar 21, 2021 19:19:39 GMT -5
Minor characters with personalities are not killed off for no reason.
Kill those whose name nobody hardly remembers or cares about.
Sparkstorm. I always hated Sparkfire for some reason. It was probably my worshipping of Firestar but.
Twigshine and Violetshade. Violetshine is not shiny nor did she care about Pebbleshine.
Needleclaw's name is something else and Violetshine knows Needletail was manipulative and bad.
Yes Tigerheart
Ashfur does not go psycho and the whole Power of Three arc and Omen of the Stars arc is one so we don't have to waste our money.
Star Flower will be recognized as very bad person and Clear Sky will get a wonderful redemption.
Ugh Blazefire and Smokehaze Actually Smokehaze just... is pretty pretty But I'd change Appleshine's name
Blossomfall x Toadstep/Mousewhisker, Ivypool x Toadstep but I don't really mind Fernsong
Old cats die right now Byebye, Misty, Leaf, Gray, Bright, Thorn, Cloud, Bracken, Reed, Lion, Squirrel, Bramblestar die twice please. I hate your name mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 19:42:19 GMT -5
bristlefrost's name is changed to bristlethistle
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Post by whiteflight on Mar 21, 2021 20:12:19 GMT -5
Dovewing finally getting over Tigerheartstar and staying single.
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Post by Snowfire on Mar 21, 2021 20:17:13 GMT -5
One thing I would change is Jagged Peak’s character arc, we didn’t really get much of it after the first two or three books of DOTC.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Mar 21, 2021 20:37:22 GMT -5
-Fernsong nursery dad scenes. It isn't that hard to sneak some in- even with one the fans will go rabid over it. -Copperpaw and Wavepaw's names stay. I'm still upset that they were changed. -Giving Firestar a clear death scene. -Squirrelflight not becoming a deputy.
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Post by mean and green on Mar 21, 2021 23:52:27 GMT -5
I really only got one but Firestar stops pining over Spottedleaf (and vice versa) and tells her off so we don't have any uncomfortable drama between him, Sandstorm, and Spottedleaf.
Seriously it wasn't needed.
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Post by aether on Mar 22, 2021 5:41:30 GMT -5
For the love of StarClan I would name Pink Eyes literally ANYTHING else
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 22, 2021 6:25:05 GMT -5
Out of anything else in this series, change Twigbranch's name! Admittedly, it's grown on me, but I just can't get over how stupid it is. Granted, Blazefire and Smokehaze and Stemleaf are redundant names too, but at least they sound nice. If Violetshine didn't already have the suffix, I would've named her Twigshine instead (and yeah, Bluefur and Snowfur, but I just prefer it when siblings don't have the same suffix). Related to the above, change Violetshine's warrior name. Don't get me wrong, it's very pretty on its own and it's still one of my favorites, I just think it doesn't fit the character. Maybe something like Violetwing (especially if Twiggy gets the -shine suffix) or Violetshade instead. Sparkpelt to Sparkstorm. Not only would she be named after Sandstorm, but it'd also fit because of her speed. Ivypool to either Ivyclaw, Ivythorn, Ivystrike, etc... I get she was named after someone, but not only does the suffix seem too serene for her, but it doesn't really make much sense in-universe either. At least Graypool was named after her RiverClan heritage and Leafpool for the Moonpool. Dovewing's character arc would focus alot less on romance and more on her internal conflict regarding the prophecy and how much it's negatively affected her. Clear Sky's arc would be more consistent and just the she-cats in DotC in general wouldn't just exist to be potential love interests or background characters that either don't do anything after a few books or are later killed off. This was especially jarring with Violet Dawn, and Storm didn't really need to exist. And I like Star Flower, but Clear Sky didn't really need to have another mate and her redemption could've been way better. More romantic development on RootxBristle on Bristlefrost's end before the confession scene. Rowanstar wouldn't be as reliant on Tigerheart as he was in canon. I'm still mad that his final words to Tawnypelt weren't "I love you" or "Take care of the Clan" or anything like that, but about their son, who—as far as they know at this point—ran off with a ThunderClan cat and there was no guarantee he was actually coming back. At least with CrowxLeaf, it involved a medicine cat. Finleap's behavior in TRS. That's it. Just take it out completely. Also, Bumblestripe in the SS bonus scene. Everything about BramblexSquirrel in SqH. At the very least, I would have them go through an amicable break-up at the end of the book. Either Pebbleshine or Puddleshine would get a different suffix so they don't sound so similar, though preferably the latter since I like Pebbleshine's name more. Maybe Puddleshine could've been named Puddlecloud instead. Woodsong to Woodstalk, the opportunity was right here!
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Mar 22, 2021 7:22:57 GMT -5
Make the cats' pelt colors more interesting and unique. Bristlefrost would have white tips on her paws, ears, and tail, Twigbranch would have a light dusting of speckles, etc. (Instead of them being solid gray--if this is a book about fantasy cats, I'd prefer more distinctive coat patterns.)
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Post by Rio on Mar 22, 2021 8:25:26 GMT -5
I honestly think that Clear Sky shouldn't have had a redemption arc. The thing about Clear Sky is that, in the end, he never really saw the problems with his actions. It would have been good to show that not everyone can be saved, people have to want to change in order to warrant a redemption, Clear Sky did not want to change. I think this would have been really interesting for Gray Wing's character growth. Gray Wing always made himself personally accountable for Clear Sky's actions and happiness, he constantly gave him opportunities to do something good and yet Clear Sky never took them. Clear Sky killing Rainswept Flower, his childhood friend, really should have marked the point of no return for him.
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Post by Sol on Mar 22, 2021 9:24:57 GMT -5
- Toadstep has some sort of moment with Lionblaze, This would have been good because Toadstep clearly liked Lionblaze and Lionblaze is just like "I'm sad cuz Cinderheart," and then Toadsteps like "Ur really cool Lionblaze," and then Lionblaze calls Toadstep stupid. At least in that one scene
-Make Hollyleaf evil or dead. I cannot stress this enough, Hollyleaf (when she returns) should be evil or dead. You cannot just reflect on these emotions, it's not like Hollyleaf to forgive Leafpool for going against everything Hollyleaf lives for.
-In fact, just make Toadstep Lionblaze's mate, still have Cinderpelt unwilling shoved in Cinderheart but make that Jayfeather and Briarlight's problem
-Make Breezepelt dead
-SQUIRRELSTAR
-MINNOWSTAR
-Make Purdy's accent stay, it's kinda weird to see him lose his accent halfway through OotS and then return in DS chapter 2 while he is talking.
-have Shrewpaw come down from Starclan slap Ashfur in face and give a speech on how like 5 other cat's suffered the same "pain"
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Mar 22, 2021 11:26:53 GMT -5
- Brambleclaw would be demoted after the incident with the fox trap.
- Squirrelflight would get with Shrewpaw.
- Change the name Twigbranch to Twigfoot.
- Have Blossomfall get with Toadstep.
- Have Dovewing be single.
- Make Foxleap, Icecloud, Toadstep and Hazeltail live.
- Change Ivypool's name to something like Ivyclaw or Ivystrike.
- Bristlefrost would be a dilute tortoiseshell.
- Cinderheart and Hollyleaf would become mates.
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Post by cable on Mar 22, 2021 12:29:31 GMT -5
- make star flower the actual grand villain of dotc. she could be an amazing manipulator type and would be far more memorable than slash. this series doesnt have nearly enough female villains, anyways.
- clear sky remains an antagonist. i like the idea of one of the clan founders straight up just being horrible, and i think itd be interesting given skyclans eventual exile from the forest.
- where shrewtooth at tho. make him skyclan deputy.
- hawkfrost was just a red herring for the real villain. mudclaw really did make up the “take over riverclan and be my deputy” stuff to make him look bad, hawkfrost is just a reckless warrior, but is still loyal.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Mar 22, 2021 14:30:28 GMT -5
- Toadstep has some sort of moment with Lionblaze, This would have been good because Toadstep clearly liked Lionblaze and Lionblaze is just like "I'm sad cuz Cinderheart," and then Toadsteps like "Ur really cool Lionblaze," and then Lionblaze calls Toadstep stupid. At least in that one scene-Make Hollyleaf evil or dead. I cannot stress this enough, Hollyleaf (when she returns) should be evil or dead. You cannot just reflect on these emotions, it's not like Hollyleaf to forgive Leafpool for going against everything Hollyleaf lives for. -In fact, just make Toadstep Lionblaze's mate, still have Cinderpelt unwilling shoved in Cinderheart but make that Jayfeather and Briarlight's problem
-Make Breezepelt dead -SQUIRRELSTAR -MINNOWSTAR -Make Purdy's accent stay, it's kinda weird to see him lose his accent halfway through OotS and then return in DS chapter 2 while he is talking. -have Shrewpaw come down from Starclan slap Ashfur in face and give a speech on how like 5 other cat's suffered the same "pain" LIONBLAZE X TOADSTEP?! Thank you for giving me a new ship to be obsessed with even though OotS happened so long ago.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 22, 2021 16:20:27 GMT -5
Oh yeah I remember LionToad, makes me laugh that they have more chemistry than LionCinder. Heck, HollyCinder was also really good, sigh.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 22, 2021 17:14:27 GMT -5
- Rosepetal would not only live but she'd get the happy ending she deserved - mate, kits, everything she wanted because she as a cinnamon roll and I love her. This technically goes against the 'only change one thing' restriction, but since it's Rosepetal I think it's warranted. She deserved so much better Ugh Blazefire and Smokehaze Actually Smokehaze just... is pretty pretty I always wished that Smokehaze was named Smokebreeze or Smokecloud instead. -Fernsong nursery dad scenes. It isn't that hard to sneak some in- even with one the fans will go rabid over it. Wholeheartedly agree. Seriously, if we couldn't get Nursery Dad Fernsong scenes, then why can't Bristlefrost just have a throwaway line or something about how she misses being a kit in the nursery with her father? This part of his character was hyped up a lot and then completely thrown away. I really only got one but Firestar stops pining over Spottedleaf (and vice versa) and tells her off so we don't have any uncomfortable drama between him, Sandstorm, and Spottedleaf. Seriously it wasn't needed. Spottedleaf should have been a guide to Firestar and the Firekin solely because of her role as the one who interpreted the original prophecy, and I will die on this hill. Maybe she'd feel guilty that she indirectly put such a huge burden on their shoulders, and would want to steer them in the right direction to atone. I dunno, virtually anything would be better than adult Spottedleaf reciprocating a crush on non-adult Firepaw. - where shrewtooth at tho. make him skyclan deputy. Oh man, I forgot all about Shrewtooth. He was such a sweetheart. Where did he go?? I demand answers.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 23, 2021 3:08:44 GMT -5
1. giving every tom a female mate *looks at canon gay characters like Tallstar and Ravenpaw* Oof
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 3:27:22 GMT -5
1. giving every tom a female mate and every she cat a male mate
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 23, 2021 3:29:50 GMT -5
1. giving every tom a female mate and every she cat a male mate I'm not sure if you're saying this in a way that you want to change that aspect of the books? Or if you're saying that you want every she-cat to have a tom and every tom to have a she-cat....? Because if you're talking about the second one, that can come off as a bit insensitive to other users because you're invalidating canonly gay characters...If that wasn't your intentions, then that's fine, but the way you're wording it...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 3:37:52 GMT -5
yes
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Post by N I G H T F R O S T on Mar 23, 2021 3:46:31 GMT -5
- Ashfur never falls in love with Squirrelflight and goes on to become leader. Haven't decided a deputy yet.
- Lionblaze and Berrynose become mates.
- Ravenpaw stays in ThunderClan, earns the name Ravenpool.
- Firestar and Cinderpelt become mates, Cinderpelt is never a medicine cat.
- Ferncloud and Daisy become mates, and Daisy later takes the name Daisyheart.
- Hollyleaf dies alone under the tunnels.
- Names would actually have meaning and not just sound aesthetically pleasing. ex; no more cats named Rosepetal, Stormcloud, etc.
- GENETICALLY CORRECT CATS. I'm so tired of stuff "solid ginger she-cat with one white paw and green eyes" and tortoiseshells being born to non-red parents (LOOKING AT YOU GRAYSTRIPE AND MILLIE).
- I'd have a rule in the warrior code where cats from different cats can be mates, but if kittens are born, the father must leave his Clan to join his mate's Clan and help raise their offspring.
More will come later.
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Post by N I G H T F R O S T on Mar 23, 2021 3:47:33 GMT -5
AND I WOULD GIVE ASHFUR YELLOW EYES. I always thought he'd look so cute with yellow eyes.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 23, 2021 3:58:25 GMT -5
1. giving every tom a female mate and every she cat a male mate I'm really not sure why you would post this twice (in fact, I noticed you do this alot, it's not necessary). And not every cat needs a mate, let alone one of the opposite gender. Some like Ravenpaw are even gay.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 23, 2021 7:24:48 GMT -5
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Post by Sol on Mar 23, 2021 9:07:24 GMT -5
1. giving every tom a female mate and every she cat a male mate Are you saying that every cat should have a mate? Or you're just being against gay rights?
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Post by 🎃𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛🦇 on Mar 23, 2021 9:55:02 GMT -5
Homophobia on the cat site fo today :\
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