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Post by fangbranch on Feb 25, 2021 11:54:09 GMT -5
Delayed sleep phase syndrome (DSPS) is a disorder in which a person’s sleep is delayed by two hours or more beyond what is considered an acceptable or conventional bedtime. The delayed sleep then causes difficulty in being able to wake up at the desired time.
For example, a person with DSPS may fall asleep after midnight instead of at 10 p.m. and then will have difficulty getting up in the morning for school or work.
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DSPS is a thing I recently found out I have. All my life I just thought I couldn't stay on the right sleeping schedule. Does anybody have any tips or things you'd like to share? I'm not going to go get a sleep study done, it'd just be a waste of money. When I first started reading up on this, I'm like that's me to a t. I know for a fact I have this. It's just good to put a name to it. I remember I always stayed up until 2am when I went to public school, I could never wake up in time for important events, and now I don't try to force it. My circadian rhythm apparently got its head bashed in because I average about a 2 to 3 hour difference every two to four wake/sleep cycles. And then there are the days that I just stay up for 24 hours or more because my sleep is whacked and I try to get it back on track. That works for about 2 to 3 weeks? I would say the days I stay up for 24+hours each month is around 3-6.
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Post by Brownie on Feb 25, 2021 12:12:26 GMT -5
I would say my natural sleep schedule, if I sleep when I tire and wake when I want (regardless of hours slept) is 2am-9am
I don't find myself even remotely tired before 1-2am. my most productive hours of the day are 10pm-1am (much to the annoyance of both me and everyone I live with). And really, no matter how much I sleep or don't sleep, I'm not really "awake" until 9. even if I've been up since 630-7
I've just dealt with it tbh. there's not much the world will do to change their minds from "you're absolute lazy if you don't wake up at 5am" and I've been working with ag these last few years and the chickens don't care that you'd rather be sleeping.
and honestly I'm kind of angry that I wasn't allowed to set my own schedule as a teen because??? I was hella depressed waking up at 6am every day and felt like all my days were lost in a fog. It was so hard to motivate when half the time I felt asleep on my feet. and you know what happened during covid when I went online? I slept like I wanted to and I was at LEAST 4x more productive and awake in class and I actually got tasks done on my "if you feel good list" more days than not. Dude I took NOTES for the first time in my LIFE because I was able to actually care about learning instead of going autopilot. (it also helps that my adhd brain cells can roll marbles in my hands all I want under my desk and no one can hear/be bothered. Absolute upgrade from having to sit still and be wacking out inside from being understimmed) I'm absolutely convinced that having to fit someone else's idea of "normal" made it even harder for me to function :/
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Post by Leapkit on Feb 25, 2021 17:24:57 GMT -5
Every time I try to get "normal" sleep I always end up going back to going to bed at 5-6am and waking up by 2-3pm cause thats just what my biological clock wants to do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 22:36:24 GMT -5
i'm 99% sure i have this (tho i've never done a sleep study because that's expensive and it's not like there's a true treatment for it)... i naturally fall asleep when the sun rises and have been this way since i was young. i essentially have to brute force myself onto a "regular" schedule using benzos or alcohol which really sucks... i'm going through benzo WD rn because i was taking them every night for years because they made it so that i could sleep effortlessly on a normal schedule for the first time in my life. and i'm trying to detox bc i know i'll need them again when i go back to uni and this is a good way to lower my tolerance.
but yea. this sucks because my body doesnt work and the only way to relieve this and be a semi-functional person during the day is to cycle between "functional" addictions.
EDIT: to be clear i absolutely do not endorse this method of dealing with sleep issues
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Post by Leapkit on Feb 25, 2021 23:04:04 GMT -5
i'm 99% sure i have this (tho i've never done a sleep study because that's expensive and it's not like there's a true treatment for it)... i naturally fall asleep when the sun rises and have been this way since i was young. i essentially have to brute force myself onto a "regular" schedule using benzos or alcohol which really sucks... i'm going through benzo WD rn because i was taking them every night for years because they made it so that i could sleep effortlessly on a normal schedule for the first time in my life. and i'm trying to detox bc i know i'll need them again when i go back to uni and this is a good way to lower my tolerance. but yea. this sucks because my body doesnt work and the only way to relieve this and be a semi-functional person during the day is to cycle between "functional" addictions. EDIT: to be clear i absolutely do not endorse this method of dealing with sleep issues From what I know, most people who get diagnosed with dsps just get told by their doctor that they should just take night shifts and work with your bodys clock instead of against it, which pretty much works for me most of the time and I only really bother fixing it if I know I have an appointment or something coming up. I will start trying to take melatonin at 9pm about a week before the appointment so I can get to sleep and be awake on time. But as soon as I stop taking the melatonin, I just go right back. I definitely recommend melatonin or calming tea rather than benzos and alcohol. it's probably better for you because that sounds miserable and addictive.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Feb 25, 2021 23:41:29 GMT -5
I genuinely don't think I've ever woken up before 10 am and been a functional human being.
I've said before on this forum that I think my sleep clock is delayed by a few hours. Depending on how much sleep I got the night before, I can fall asleep at 8pm, 9pm, 10pm, or 11pm, but regardless of that, I'll still wake up post 10-am. Naturally, my body tends to want to fall asleep around 3am and wake up around 1pm. Earlier if I've had a shit day or didn't get much sleep the night before.
I have an 8am class next quarter, so I've been trying to get on a good sleep schedule, but regardless of what time I go to sleep, I just can't get up early. I got up at 12:18pm today and my dad was way too impressed with me (On Thursdays I usually make my first appearance outside my room at 2).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 1:39:21 GMT -5
i'm 99% sure i have this (tho i've never done a sleep study because that's expensive and it's not like there's a true treatment for it)... i naturally fall asleep when the sun rises and have been this way since i was young. i essentially have to brute force myself onto a "regular" schedule using benzos or alcohol which really sucks... i'm going through benzo WD rn because i was taking them every night for years because they made it so that i could sleep effortlessly on a normal schedule for the first time in my life. and i'm trying to detox bc i know i'll need them again when i go back to uni and this is a good way to lower my tolerance. but yea. this sucks because my body doesnt work and the only way to relieve this and be a semi-functional person during the day is to cycle between "functional" addictions. EDIT: to be clear i absolutely do not endorse this method of dealing with sleep issues From what I know, most people who get diagnosed with dsps just get told by their doctor that they should just take night shifts and work with your bodys clock instead of against it, which pretty much works for me most of the time and I only really bother fixing it if I know I have an appointment or something coming up. I will start trying to take melatonin at 9pm about a week before the appointment so I can get to sleep and be awake on time. But as soon as I stop taking the melatonin, I just go right back. I definitely recommend melatonin or calming tea rather than benzos and alcohol. it's probably better for you because that sounds miserable and addictive. hey i'm happy that you've found a method that works for you (though i definitely get how it's frustrating and how it sucks to have to prepare to wake up at a normal time lol)! and yea, i'm going to try melatonin again because using alc and benzos to sleep ultimately causes more and more problems.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 27, 2021 2:05:53 GMT -5
it takes me 2 hours to fall asleep and 1 hour to feel "ready" enough to actually get out of bed (like i just lay there until i feel "ready" to get out of bed, you know what i mean?)
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 1, 2021 16:13:27 GMT -5
Why do I literally have this?
I can't ever fall asleep properly at night when going to bed and have to wait for two hours until my mind finally goes blank. Upon waking up my body takes at least one hour if not two as well in order to get out of bed and start the day.
Taking naps, who is she?
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Post by Aku on Mar 2, 2021 15:37:28 GMT -5
Oh, this sounds familiar. I tend to go to bed at 3-4 am, but I try to wake up before noon no matter what. It's not for a lack of trying. I've done everything I can think of over the years. Herbal teas, melatonin, getting in bed much earlier, etc. Nothing works for me. My brain is just wired differently. Which has been... Interesting. I come from a family of morning owls who view night owls as "failures" in life. It took them a long time to understand I'm just not like them. In fact! Some people are just naturally wired for nightlife.
From what I remember reading up on, it's residual from when we were in little packs and needed night time people to watch over the group. Humans couldn't always all sleep peacefully at night, so some of us had to be wired to protect the group at night among other things. I could be wrong here, though.
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