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Post by Rainsplash on Jan 22, 2021 4:33:39 GMT -5
Regardless of what you think about Dovewing and Bumblestripe, just lay that behind and think: what do you see in their relationship?
I mean, some people think "Dovewing MANIPULATED him, giving him FALSE HOPES! BAD Dovey! GOOD Bumbly!" something like that, (Yes, I admit I exaggerated) and some say "Bumblestripe was an OBSESSIVE STALKER and DOVEWING was just an INNOCENT VICTIM!"
Some people remain neutral, or say that Dovewing was wrong, and Bumblestripe was wrong as well.
There are a hundred more opinions, but I can't list them all. Some people strongly voice their opinion, and have strong feelings about it, and some don't.
I think Bumblestripe was creepy, but Dovewing should've told him she wasn't interested in him romantically. Still, her sister, mother, and friends were all rooting for Dove x Bumble, and perhaps "shipping them", like StarClan shipped Squirrel x Bramble. Anyway.
Bumblestripe talked about kits when Dovewing was clearly grieving about Purdy, and he pressured her, and he must've seen her act uncomfortable.
Blossomfall looked cross Bumblestripe was spending more time with Dovewing, perhaps she'd feel more offended, as she's shipping them now. This might be what happened inside Dovewing's head, I have no idea, but I'm sure she felt really pressured because of Ivypool, Whitewing, and others' shipping and encouragement, which would've made it clear to Dovewing that they were going to be EXTREMELY disappointed, or maybe suspicious. After all, WHY would Dovewing not want to spend time with that lovely tom? Perhaps she loves someone else? But...
For Bumblestripe, maybe he didn't see his parents interact much, but I refuse to believe it as I am against the idea that Graystripe and Millie felt apart and Graystripe paid no attention to his kits or whatever, or maybe he had other problems or had no idea how to treat somebody you liked.
I hate how people blame the entire situation on Dovewing. This relationship was not healthy, and I cannot ship it. Though I shipped it three months ago or something, slightly. Oof.
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Post by Lizard ๐ฆ on Jan 22, 2021 5:14:03 GMT -5
Bumblestripe didn't have to get ruined for Tigerheart, is my opinion on it.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jan 22, 2021 8:06:21 GMT -5
I think Dovewing was just really uncertain and indecisive at the time and couldn't make up her mind. Deep down she may have truly loved Tigerheart, but her family and Clanmates were pressuring her to be with Bumblestripe. While I believe Dovewing should have told Bumblestripe out rightly she didn't want to have kits with him, I can understand her feeling unsure, especially since her other option of a mate (that she loved) was a cat from a different Clan. But I'm glad Dovewing finally made her choice and happily settled down with a family.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Jan 22, 2021 8:47:24 GMT -5
I never thought Bumblestripe was a good match for Dovewing even before they officially became mates. His actions in the SS bonus scene were definitely written to make Tigerheart look like the better option in comparison, this still doesn't change the fact that the scene still happened, nor does it make it any less creepy. Although, if we look at this from a realistic standpoint, this is a good demonstration on how the friends you think you know best may in fact turn out to be terrible deep down.
As I've said, I never thought they were right for each other long before this, and their scenes in TLH were a big indicator to me that they would never have worked out long-term. Add to the fact that Dovewing clearly felt pressured by several she-cats in the Clan to become his mate and was probably even trying to force herself to love him, and I'm not surprised they broke up after only a few moons (her love for Tigerheart aside).
Dovewing definitely should've told him she had no feelings for him, though considering how he didn't listen to her about not wanting kits and plenty of cats always took Bumblestripe's side over hers whenever she rejected him anyway, it's possible things wouldn't have gone well for her even if she had been honest with him, but that's a different story. She still could've at least tried, but overall, I'm glad they're broken up.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 22, 2021 9:06:04 GMT -5
I still think she should have been honest with him, as her lack of action while they were mates shows me that she was stringing him along in some kinda way, like a rebound because she hadnโt stopped having feelings for Tigerheart. Iโm angered that Bumblestripe was made to look bad to make Tigerheart look good in comparison, as so many cats have been recently. Was it wrong to ask for kits during that time? Yes. But did he back off and respect her decision when she told it to him straight? Also yes. He didnโt go stalking after her, and he even respected her choice to be with Tigerheart and have kits with him, only getting annoyed when Dovewing thought she could prance over to Thunderclan anytime she liked after leaving.
Not to mention the kinda gross double standard this fandom holds over kit situations. Bumblestripe pressures for kits at a bad moment and gets seen as a horrible monster. Squirrelflight pressures for kits at a bad moment and the fandom excuses her and gets mad at Bramblestar for not wanting more kits. Like. Please be consistent if weโre scolding pressuring behavior. Bumblestripe is not Ashfur. Please stop comparing them closely.
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Post by Bาฝษพษพแงแฆส
ฯฯษฑ on Jan 22, 2021 12:11:06 GMT -5
Bumblestripe was made to look bad in comparison to Tigerheart so that the latter would seem better for Dovewing.
Which is similar to Ashfur never standing a chance against Brambleclaw to get Squirrelflight as a mate.
It's just a cheap tactic for the authors to create some drama in the books.
And it also unnecessarily pits fans of the different characters against each other.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Jan 22, 2021 12:51:36 GMT -5
I have no idea why Bumblestripe started liking Dovewing, as they are completely random. It made no sense to me, and plus, pairs only work if both cats like each other and Dovewing didn't so it didn't work out. I don't know what else to say, that is basically all that happened. Bumblestripe's feelings for Dovewing started to show not long after she saved Icecloud, so it wasn't really random if you take this into consideration, especially since she already helped save the Clans previously after the beaver mission.
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Post by Duskfire on Jan 22, 2021 12:55:43 GMT -5
I have no idea why Bumblestripe started liking Dovewing, as they are completely random. It made no sense to me, and plus, pairs only work if both cats like each other and Dovewing didn't so it didn't work out. I don't know what else to say, that is basically all that happened. Bumblestripe's feelings for Dovewing started to show not long after she saved Icecloud, so it wasn't really random of you take this into consideration, especially since she already helped save the Clans previously after the beaver mission. Yeah I guess. But it still didn't feel like a good pair to me, even though it might have been for a good reason.
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Post by Shatter on Jan 22, 2021 14:37:32 GMT -5
I actually kind of like Bumblestripe. Dovewing definitely wasn't clear enough in the beginning. I haven't read OoTS in a while but I'm pretty sure Dovewing started taking her anger out on him, too.
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Post by plaggy on Jan 22, 2021 14:50:55 GMT -5
I actually I didnt like how some of her clanmates pressure her to be with Bumblestripe. Like they care more about his broken heart than the fact the Dovewing didnt like him that way.
It actually remind me with the situation with Bluefur and Thrushpelt how Bluefur didnt love Thrushpelt that way but still her clansmates expected her to say yes even her own sister.
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Post by แนขanษypawโข on Jan 22, 2021 18:14:17 GMT -5
Meh. I dislike it but Bumblestripe was dealt a terrible hand in exchange for Tigerheart. I hope Bumblestripe grows up, relationship-wise, and finds someone else who he likes and they like him back.
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Post by Lizard ๐ฆ on Jan 22, 2021 18:17:44 GMT -5
I'll never forgive the Erins for killing Rosepetal. They could have killed Thornclaw or Leafshade. But they killed Rosepetal, who had so much potential in her. Wasn't it implied Rosepetal liked Bumblestripe?
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Post by ๐ฏ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฃ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ฐ๐ฑ on Jan 22, 2021 21:26:44 GMT -5
I genuinely think Dovewing and Bumblestripe were the epitome of a toxic relationship. Yes, she should have communicated to him that she wasnโt interested in him in that way rather than stringing him along. And he became obsessive and almost semi-abusive in the way he treated her toward the end.
I donโt think either character is a good character, but neither one of them is bad and deserves the hatred they get either. Both of them were toxic and harmful to the other.
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Post by ๐ฅFirestar๐ฅ on Jan 24, 2021 6:45:40 GMT -5
I can actually see both sides of the relationship.
I dislike how much they butchered Bumblestripe to make Tigerheart look better in comparision. His actions were creepy in that scene, and despite him being clingy before, i know that's OOC of him, he would never go to that level. I like Bumblestripe, and i think that he deserves someone who loves him back and won't sneak behind his back to break the warrior code. And you know what i respect more about him? He's happy for Dovewing eventually settling down with her own family, and he never throws a fit or begins stalking her. I just didin't like how some of his Clanmates pressured Dovewing to become his mate and in fact guilt-tripped her when she didin't tiptoe around him.
And as for Dovewing, i'm pretty sure that she wasn't intending to hurt him, or lead him on to make "Tigerheart jealous" or whatever the fandom makes up. She actually wanted to start a new life with him โ She enjoyed his company, even began liking him at some point. She genuely belived that this was her opportunity to forget Tigerheart and stay loyal to ThunderClan. And instead of cheating, she breaks up with Bumblestripe instead of creating further conflict. She didin't communicate but i can understand why โ She didin't want to hurt his feelings. I just hate how she's always portrayed as "Selfish and uncaring of his feelings and wanting to make Tigerheart jealous" when she wasn't in that level.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 25, 2021 11:17:17 GMT -5
dovewing unintentionally strung him along in the way that a lot of girls do when a guy likes them but they can't bring themselves to hurt his feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 11:21:33 GMT -5
Bumbstripe was a hard core simp.
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Post by alex0w0 on Jan 26, 2021 13:19:13 GMT -5
Thatโs true
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 13:33:26 GMT -5
They could've still made her break up with Bumble and choose Tigerheart without, y'know, butchering and wasting his whole character. Isn't he still hung up over her? Years later? Come on Erins, people can move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 13:33:42 GMT -5
Thatโs true Lol
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Post by Ravenwhisker on Jan 26, 2021 14:34:03 GMT -5
I personally think both did wrong. Bumble was a creep and dove hurt him. But I do not like dovewing, though what bumble did was bad too. This probably doesn't make sense at all lol
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