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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Jan 21, 2021 2:02:52 GMT -5
In other places, I tend to find a lot of people hating on Daisy. Why's that?
Their reasons tend to be something around the lines of: "She didn't learn how to fight!" or "She was useless to them!" or "She took Cloudtail from Brightheart!"
And I disagree with all of those statements. Daisy did try to learn how to fight, but even if it wasn't a natural skill for her, that didn't stop her from kicking Dark Forest butt in The Great Battle. She wasn't useless to the Clan, either! She lovingly took care of so many kits in ThunderClan. I don't get why people don't value queens. They are important, valued, and underappreciated in the fandom. Daisy did not take Cloudtail from Brightheart. Her feelings for him were entirely one-sided. Cloudtail was being friendly while he helped her settle into ThunderClan. He had been an outsider too! He knew what it felt like.
Anyway, enough with my rambling. What are your opinions on Daisy?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jan 21, 2021 2:59:59 GMT -5
yeah people on here dont hate on daisy. i love daisy though! her and ferncloud deserve a lot more love, and their alive kin now a days deserve more spotlight... (im mostly referring to molewhisker and cherryfall).
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Post by Rainsplash on Jan 21, 2021 3:04:38 GMT -5
'Because she did nothing. Nothing at all. Caring for kids don't really do much to the Clan.' 'Duh. She made Brightheart feel JEALOUS and made Cloudtail look DUMB.' -It DOES do much to the Clan. But I'm feeling queasy now so I'm not going to ramble on. -Anyone feels JEALOUS. Why should Brightheart never feel jealousy? Besides, it's emotion, people. And Cloudtail IS dim on those stuff. Like Daisy Oh, yeah, I forgot. 'She insulted poor Brightheart!' -I'm so sorry to say this. The world does not rotate around Brightheart. The world should not be forced to get Brightheart as a queen. Sorry, I'm feeling so bitter these days. Anyway, Daisy lived a peaceful life with good-looking cats. Then she comes in to the wild, and spots a cat with her eye ripped off. Sorry, that just catches you off guard ^^ I'm sick of these people worshiping Brightheart. She's lovable, yes, but she's overrated. Seriously. People sometimes treat Brightheart like a queen, and she's the most beautiful cat. Yup. Like I said, I'm feeling very bitter these days.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 21, 2021 8:26:44 GMT -5
I like Daisy.
She is a great mother and also takes good care of other queen's kits.
The BrightCloudDaisy love triangle was very unnecessary and just made fans hate on her.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 21, 2021 12:47:03 GMT -5
I love Daisy. She's one of my favorite ThunderClan cats.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 21, 2021 12:56:45 GMT -5
I don't like her because I feel she is useless and didn't do anything. When I first read that she joined Thunderclan I thought she would be pretty important and would do something amazing, but all she does is sit and play with kits all day. She is boring and they didn't need to take her in, but they just did, like typical Thunderclan. She is a good-hearted cat, but she is a waste of time. I dislike her, but I don't hate her. You say it like taking care of kits is an easy thing. It's not, far from it. Just because Daisy isn't some amazing fighter or part of a prophecy or whatever doesn't make her useless, it just means she's helping ThunderClan in a way she knows best. It's like Ferncloud said: Daisy has also been shown helping out in camp whenever the nursery is empty (something that's actually pretty rare for ThunderClan), fought bravely against the Dark Forest, and even hunts on occasion.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jan 21, 2021 15:13:13 GMT -5
I don't like her because I feel she is useless and didn't do anything. When I first read that she joined Thunderclan I thought she would be pretty important and would do something amazing, but all she does is sit and play with kits all day. She is boring and they didn't need to take her in, but they just did, like typical Thunderclan. She is a good-hearted cat, but she is a waste of time. I dislike her, but I don't hate her. I have to disagree. Permanent Queens aren't really useless though. It might just seem that all they do is sit around and complain, but there are a lot of things these Queens can do to help, even if it isin't hunting or fighting. Kits are pretty complicated to take care of. Who keeps watch of them all the time? Invents games for them to be entertained? Who teaches them from right to wrong? Who gives a mother a break when she's overworked with a whole litter? Kids are whiny, very stubborn, innmature, and they throw tantarums easily... They must keep up with the energy of their kits when they are playing, watch over them when they are resting, look after them when they are sick, and defend them when they are in danger. All of this take great patience, vigilance and responsability.
They also provide relief to their denmates, who are overworked with their whole litter, wich provides the Clans with extra hunters. They also contribute to saving some lives, as they can help unexperienced Queens when they're kitting for the first time, feed kittens when the mother dosen't have enough milk, and offer advice that will help many Queens in the future. And, if they have kits of their own, they're just giving the Clan more future warriors! Even though they don't hunt to feed their Clanmates or fight to defend them, permanent queens offer an essential service. They support and guide nursing queens, and they provide as much love, protection, and nurturing to the Clan's kits as any birth mother. They work hard, and their dedication deserves the same honor and respect as would be granted to the most celebrated warrior. Look at this scene. Daisy raised two cats to become more mature and very loyal cats. That means she did well as a mother, and deserves the same praise as any birth mother could have. Whitout her, the Clan could have had two innmature and reckless apprentices, every day getting in trouble. In fact, leaving the Perma Queen stuff behind, Daisy has been shown to be extremely strong and courageous as any other warrior: I don't think any of those things could be considered being lazy. Offering advice and helping cats that way is enough to contribute to the Clan in the way they want. It helps a lot of cats and creates a more peaceful society. Would that mean Mediators are lazy, too? Because they help solve disagreements and give advice when they could be patrolling/hunting?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jan 21, 2021 16:42:21 GMT -5
I don't like her because I feel she is useless and didn't do anything. When I first read that she joined Thunderclan I thought she would be pretty important and would do something amazing, but all she does is sit and play with kits all day. She is boring and they didn't need to take her in, but they just did, like typical Thunderclan. She is a good-hearted cat, but she is a waste of time. I dislike her, but I don't hate her. Raising kits is a hard job and ALL of the warriors now respect her for it because she helped make them into what they are. And as posted, she can be a BAMF when fighting too. Her ferocity as a mother is A+ Daisy is one of my favorite characters. Love.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Jan 21, 2021 17:07:42 GMT -5
This might be a hot take and I'm not accusing anyone on the forums of this, but I think a lot (but not all!) of the hate she got/gets comes from good ol' fashioned misogyny, honestly. She prefers nurturing children to fighting and hunting? OMG she contributes nothing except raising generations of children! It's not an issue exclusive to Daisy, either - Ferncloud had the exact same fan reception for years, except that her hate got so bad that the Erins killed her off because of it. I'm glad that the fanbase has matured enough to recognize that queens aren't just useless baby-makers.
I do get why people initially hated Daisy because of the stupid fake love triangle between her, Cloudtail, and Brightheart, though. Cloudtail/Brightheart has always been a beloved ship, so I have no idea why the Erins thought that having this new character get cozy with Cloudtail and accidentally insult Brightheart was a good idea.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jan 21, 2021 17:18:59 GMT -5
This might be a hot take and I'm not accusing anyone on the forums of this, but I think a lot (but not all!) of the hate she got/gets comes from good ol' fashioned misogyny, honestly. She prefers nurturing children to fighting and hunting? OMG she contributes nothing except raising generations of children! It's not an issue exclusive to Daisy, either - Ferncloud had the exact same fan reception for years, except that her hate got so bad that the Erins killed her off because of it. I'm glad that the fanbase has matured enough to recognize that queens aren't just useless baby-makers. I do get why people initially hated Daisy because of the stupid fake love triangle between her, Cloudtail, and Brightheart, though. Cloudtail/Brightheart has always been a beloved ship, so I have no idea why the Erins thought that having this new character get cozy with Cloudtail and accidentally insult Brightheart was a good idea. Even then, you'd think people would move past that. Daisy has evolved as a character LEAPS AND BOUNDS, especially as a side character. She went from being unsure and clingy to a badass queen who isn't afraid to fight to protect her clan...or tell off leaders when they're being dumb.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jan 21, 2021 18:07:27 GMT -5
I like Daisy. She's a great cat- helping to raise generations of ThunderClan cats. I really hope that her bloodline doesn't die out (why, Hazeltail, Toadstep, and Rosepetal? I miss you) and that her novella doesn't kill her character. <3
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jan 21, 2021 18:19:26 GMT -5
The fact that other clans don't have perma-queens is what surprises me more. Raising multiple children at once has to be draining as heck; having cats like Daisy around to help care for the kits almost 24/7 probably gives them so much relief. I think ThunderClan owes Daisy a lot for her work. Anyways I adore Daisy if you couldn't tell. Especially since several queens mention how helpful having Ferncloud or Daisy around was to help contain all the kits and give mom a break...and then the kits get a second mom, who they seem to really respect too
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Jan 21, 2021 18:55:55 GMT -5
My opinion on Daisy has gotten better with time. I honestly found her really annoying when she first joined the Clan, especially her obsession with Cloudtail. But with time, I really love the motherly role she took on with the younger cats in the Clan. Ultimately I voted for neutral, because while I like the role she played with younger cats, I still don't particularly like her. But I don't hate her, either.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Jan 21, 2021 23:15:21 GMT -5
It irks me when people call her useless. Daisy is NOT useless and is very important to the Clan. All perma-queens are.
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Post by whiteflight on Jan 21, 2021 23:25:14 GMT -5
I understand why people dislike Daisy for the whole fake love triangle and for insulting Brightheart because of her scar but seriously the love triangle was like ages ago and Cloudtail will always stay with Brightheart. For the insult Daisy has never known the hardship of the wilderness just like Princess, Firestar's sister they acted the same way and same with my cousins. When they saw the ultimate guide they said "EWWWWW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT CAT'S FACE" once I told them they felt guilty. Remember people are still judging other from looks/when they first see you.
The thing I hate the most is when they say permanent queens are useless to the clan when it's stated multiple times that they help other queens with their kits or if there's none then they help around the camp. Without Daisy or Ferncloud, Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf would have died from no milk because Squrrielflight wasn't even able to produce any while Leafpool had to hide the truth. There are probably tons of scenarios of kits losing mothers and other queens have to give them comfort or take care of them. Just like what happened with Crookedstar his own mother gave him a new nest, when it was cold Echomist let him sleep with her and her kits even if this was just a small act it still shows that queens care for kits even if those kits aren't their own.
Daisy also started learning how to fight once the clans started preparing for the Dark Forest battle. Other people have shown how powerful she was. She is willing to risk her life in order for the kits to stay safe. Daisy is a queen they will do whatever it takes to keep the kits safe. They'll fight to the death even if they aren't physically strong they'll still take that risk just to keep the kits safe that's how powerful and important a queen and Daisy is.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 22, 2021 2:42:15 GMT -5
Queens are to be treated with respect. A queen goes through the pain of giving birth, and even if she didn't, she still has to raise kits, sometimes kits that aren't even hers. They're very important figures in the lives of young and impressionable cats. No, not all queens are good, like Rainflower for example, but for most, they're known to be fierce and loyal capable cats, that protect what's most precious to a clan...their kits. Their future. Daisy is by no means lazy, and is a significant character in the lives of many cats in the current generation, especially because she is a permaqueen that helped other queens give birth and/or raise kits. Her job is not easy, and she earned the respect and gratitude of her clanmates many times over, and for that I think she's a solid character.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Jan 22, 2021 4:18:05 GMT -5
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Post by Fireleap on Jan 22, 2021 10:28:59 GMT -5
I used to hate Daisy, but she's really grown on me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 21:23:56 GMT -5
We stan Daisy and Ferncloud
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Jan 23, 2021 2:18:52 GMT -5
IMMA MAKE A THREAD FOR THIS
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jan 23, 2021 6:11:17 GMT -5
Am i the only one who thinks that maybe, just maybe, the rebellious apprentices in AVoS could have grown up more respectful and honorable if permanent queens helped in raising them? Of course, they were always going to have that typical rebellious spark as they were teenagers, but they wouldn't go that far if they were thought respect and maturity from young age.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 14:41:30 GMT -5
I like Daisy! She was not useless. Not sure about Purdy though... He was useful when he was a loner or kittypet but when he joined... He should of just remained as a loner...
Anyway I like Daisy she's good.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Jan 23, 2021 15:29:05 GMT -5
nobody really hates daisy anymore tbh, every recent opinion ive seen on her was either positive or indifferent (though i dont go on warriors amino so maybe people still hate her there idk). im neutral on her, she annoyed me a lot at first but she seems nice enough now
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Post by cygna on Jan 23, 2021 20:58:30 GMT -5
If there’s someone who hates Daisy and says she’s useless, they can fight me!
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 23, 2021 21:47:37 GMT -5
i read the title as "why do people hate Disney" and was very confused why this was in WG
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jan 24, 2021 1:26:41 GMT -5
I like Daisy! She was not useless. Not sure about Purdy though... He was useful when he was a loner or kittypet but when he joined... He should of just remained as a loner... Anyway I like Daisy she's good. Mildly off topic, but Purdy was super useful in keeping kits entertained and just being a great clan support. Cats acted like they dismissed him, but it's clear he was greatly valued by his clan
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