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Post by whitestorm on Oct 25, 2020 15:20:08 GMT -5
I can't be the only one who thinks the sizes of the clans are getting kindof ridiculous. The arguments of supposed prey scarcity in books past is rendered meaningless by the fact that the clans' territories are able to support the current populations.
What do you guys think would be the best way to fix this plotwise? A massive plague? Something to do with twolegs?
I was hoping there would be a massive bloodletting in the Darktail plot, with something on the scale of 50% of the cats dying. I also think a natural disaster (please, not another goddamn flood) could be pretty dope. An earthquake or volcanic eruption would be amazing. Not sure if any of the mountains near the lake are volcanic though.
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Post by AsiPasasi on Oct 25, 2020 15:30:07 GMT -5
I think the amount of cats is fine currently but it definitely shouldn't increase. I'm pretty sure the lake was supposed to be a bigger and more peaceful than the forest with enough prey for every clan, even at bad times and large sizes, but now that we've got a lot of cats, we can finally go back to regular clan tensions instead of the "avengers level threat" we had for the last few arcs (they're cool but seeing the clans banding together is becoming too bland for me personally).
If we do have a purge, than I'd like it to be Earthquake, Twolegs, battle with other cats/species of cats, or Tornado (and then everyone blames WindClan).
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 25, 2020 15:34:41 GMT -5
maybe if the books killed off characters naturally and along the way during the books, we wouldnt have this problem...
but no...they keep having random pairings have kits that dont serve a purpose. they keep holding onto older characters and never letting them die when they overstay their welcome. they kill off new, younger characters who don't even get a chance (even worse when they kill them off screen).
they don't have the guts to kill off anyone during the series...also notice they stopped killing kits on screen arcs ago? making up squirrelflight's 2 other kits who died serves no purpose other than angst we don't even explore...
these writers are cowards who can't let characters die and make room for newer gens of cats...
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Post by Fernsong on Oct 25, 2020 16:29:59 GMT -5
I think a small purge would be fine. Not a huge one that reduces the clans to the population they had in TPB (ThunderClan had only 8 warriors), but maybe a really bad greencough that kills off a few cats from each clan, especially some of the older ones like Graystripe and Tawnypelt, because as much as I love them, it gets kind of boring (and a little bit sad) having them just kind of there not doing much with half of their family dead.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 25, 2020 20:22:16 GMT -5
The population of the Clans should have stayed at Power of Three arc population- not too many cats, but not too little either. In that arc, all the Clans had a reasonable amount of cats, imo.
For a purge, I really think a black hole would be cool, and a bunch of cats getting sucked in until some other magic cats use their powers to save everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 22:19:41 GMT -5
maybe if the books killed off characters naturally and along the way during the books, we wouldnt have this problem... but no...they keep having random pairings have kits that dont serve a purpose. they keep holding onto older characters and never letting them die when they overstay their welcome. they kill off new, younger characters who don't even get a chance (even worse when they kill them off screen). they don't have the guts to kill off anyone during the series...also notice they stopped killing kits on screen arcs ago? making up squirrelflight's 2 other kits who died serves no purpose other than angst we don't even explore... these writers are cowards who can't let characters die and make room for newer gens of cats... This. Back in the day, they would kill off characters sooner, like most of the TPB elders were only around like 6-8 years old. Now we have nearly 9 year old Squirrelflight wanting kits in Squirrelflight's Hope. If they would kill off cats at the same rate they used to, and kept the ages consistent, then the clans would probably be smaller.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 26, 2020 0:20:06 GMT -5
Do you remember the twenty-first night of September? when in PoT there were like, 7 apprentices in the apprentice's den? That was wayy too many. The Clan sizes in the first arc were fine, a few cats, but not too little or too many.
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Post by polarpace on Oct 26, 2020 0:54:34 GMT -5
Absolutely.
I wouldn't have as much of an issue with the Clans getting bigger so long as there were actual drawbacks to their increase in size (dens needing to be expanded, prey/herb scarcity) but they're 100% fine. Not only that, but we don't even get to know a lot of the newcomers unless they're relevant to the plot in some way - and even then they sometimes get killed off or pushed to the side way too quick.
Sometime in the future I really want some sort of widespread disease or natural disaster to lower the numbers a bit. Get rid of old characters who have been around for many arcs. IMO almost everyone from The Prophecies Begin and The New Prophecy should be gone at this point - preferrably dead but I'd be fine if they retired - as well as a handful from Power of Three and Omen of the Stars. I love these characters but I've had enough of them, I want to get to know new ones.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 26, 2020 11:08:25 GMT -5
You're not the only one. The clans are way too big. And we barely know the newer characters.
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Oct 26, 2020 14:37:26 GMT -5
I absolutely think the amount of cats currently in the clans are too big. There isnt enough time to give most of them love. Think of the first series, while it wasn't amazing at this, we still knew a fair bit about the background characters personality, even just one note things.
Cats like: Dustpelt, Goldenflower, Frostfur, Lionheart, Willowpelt, One-eye, Smallear, Mousefur, Runningwind, Whitestorm, Darkstripe, Swiftpaw, Cloudtail, Ferncloud, Brightheart, Brindleface. I could mention at least one thing about their personality.
Compare that to these cats who I honestly can't remember their personalities nor could I guess their reaction to things: Eaglewing, Sorrelstripe, Thriftear, Honeyfur, Plumstone, Flywhisker, Leafshade, etc.
The rate of replacing the older cats with newer ones kept things going. It's sad to see characters die, but at least earlier in the series it's more noticable when one does. I could remember most of the first series background characters death, they weren't off screen ones. There ever even more diverse background characters in other clans, whereas now it feels like the same background cats from the other clans are mentioned over and over.
I still like this series and I dont think the first series was the most solid, but I did prefer the number of backgrounds characters. I got to know them and the plan's culture a lot better and it helped to immerse myself when reading. I feel like the background cats from AVOS onwards don't get the same love and care, and it's a real shame. Moreso, they like repeating the same background cats, usually from the earlier books, rather than expanding on the newer cats. I think a small background cast would make it more manageable to do this, maybe keep Thunderclan's members to the levels it was in TNP or PO3.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 16:40:31 GMT -5
Honestly, if they had a huge purge, I doubt anything would change, they would probably still focus on all the same characters as they are now. A way to fix it plot wise, would be to kill off all the cats who would have been dead, if cats aged the way they did in the first two arcs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 15:57:27 GMT -5
Well I mean I think the cats should decrease a tiny bit then it would be fine! and do not increase more!
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Post by ravenmoon on Oct 27, 2020 17:22:15 GMT -5
*cough cough THUNDERCLAN cough cough*
I agree the size of particularly Thunderclan is absolutely ridiculous. My way of fixing it would probably be stop cats from having kits for a while, after all not everyone wants kits, and maybe cause a few deaths from like battles, natural causes, etc
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Oct 27, 2020 17:57:45 GMT -5
The amount of cats in the background makes little difference to me. They don't impact or get in the way of the story, so they don't matter to me. Useless, yes, but harmless.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 28, 2020 23:38:10 GMT -5
As of the silent thaw, there were their numbers: ThunderClan had 46 cats.
ShadowClan has 31 cats.
SkyClan has 33 cats.
WindClan has 25 cats.
RiverClan has 29 cats.
Spoilers for Darkness Within: And now Spotfur is expecting kits. ThunderClan will reach 100 one day i'm pretty sure. Also, we get to see the power imbalance with the overpopulation. 41 warriors could attack the 20 WindClan warriors and just kill them all. If they allied with ShadowClan to raid another Clan, 79 cats would be going.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 29, 2020 1:55:35 GMT -5
HOW HAVE TWOLEGS NOT STUMBLED UPON THE SKINNY WAR CULT I MEAN COME ON
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 29, 2020 9:10:54 GMT -5
HOW HAVE TWOLEGS NOT STUMBLED UPON THE SKINNY WAR CULT I MEAN COME ON The Clans have plot armour
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Post by vectoring34 on Oct 29, 2020 9:22:56 GMT -5
This is why in real life feral cats are a pestilence that obliterate the natural environment through endless breeding and destruction of the locals. Even extermination programs aren't successful most of the time, as seen with Australia forgoing them in favor of catch and release neutering.
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