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oh it's none of them
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Post by AsiPasasi on Oct 24, 2020 4:07:47 GMT -5
Just a second before hand ThunderClan kicked Brokenstar out of ShadowClan for apprenticing kits at 3 moons old (and for a couple more stuff but that was an important part) but then they apprentice two kits at 3 moons old (according to the wiki) as well?
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 24, 2020 4:22:34 GMT -5
This gets addressed a few times, including when Bluestar talks to Fireheart and Graystripe about it.
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oh it's none of them
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Post by AsiPasasi on Oct 24, 2020 5:48:05 GMT -5
This gets addressed a few times, including when Bluestar talks to Fireheart and Graystripe about it. Oh thanks, that's roughly what I remembered but I wasn't sure. Still seems a bit (maybe more than a bit) hypocritical to me.
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Post by vectoring34 on Oct 24, 2020 8:07:31 GMT -5
This gets addressed a few times, including when Bluestar talks to Fireheart and Graystripe about it. Oh thanks, that's roughly what I remembered but I wasn't sure. Still seems a bit (maybe more than a bit) hypocritical to me. Bluestar is not known for being good at self assessing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 18:17:50 GMT -5
Oh thanks, that's roughly what I remembered but I wasn't sure. Still seems a bit (maybe more than a bit) hypocritical to me. Bluestar is not known for being good at self assessing. bluestar had an entire super edition displaying this character flaw so yeah ur right on the money. shes the kind of character who thinks things are okay when she does it because clearly shes doing it for a noble reason, unlike everybody else.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 24, 2020 18:46:25 GMT -5
Hah, that makes sense.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 24, 2020 20:53:49 GMT -5
To be honest it may have been a crappy idea on her part, but I can't blame her too much. She and her sister were given their apprentice ceremony a bit early for a similar reason.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 25, 2020 1:31:00 GMT -5
i think technically they were only 3 moons old by the wiki math, but in-book iirc they were portrayed as just being underage-- maybe 5 moons. thornclaw and brightheart are apprenticed within the same leaf-bare as their siblings and all four were born in greenleaf, and if they were apprenticed at a normal 6 moons, then within the story it was probably made to seem as if bracken/cinder were about 5 moons
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 25, 2020 13:54:59 GMT -5
We have to keep in mind that the wiki is sometimes inaccurate with ages. I think it's a good general guide, but I wouldn't take it as 100% canon. Not to mention there are mistakes in the series, like Cinderpelt remembering a litter of kits being stolen despite it was her and her littermates. I would guess they would be maybe four or five moons, not three. Not to mention, I think Bluestar did it to push Fireheart along given his destiny and it would have been too suspicious to make him a mentor and not Graystripe.
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Post by sar8 on Oct 25, 2020 15:01:10 GMT -5
I had forgotten about Cinderpelt and Brackenfur being apprenticed early until I read an old thread on this subject about three days ago. Pretty weird.
I also don’t understand why Fireheart and Graystripe were made their mentors, since they were the two youngest warriors.
Really, the warrior cats in general use standards that would be considered human rights violations by humans. Six months for cats is roughly six years for humans, if you use the standard that the first 2 years of a cat’s life are 24 years for a human. (With each year afterword being 4 human years.) Basically, the warrior code allows apprenticeships at age six.
It’s not like apprentices in the American colonies, who usually began their terms when they were 14ish and ended at 21ish.
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Post by sar8 on Oct 25, 2020 15:13:05 GMT -5
This gets addressed a few times, including when Bluestar talks to Fireheart and Graystripe about it. All the tension with RiverClan and ShadowClan I remember from Fire and Ice was related to them being angry about WindClan’s return. I don’t remember anything about ThunderClan being at risk of attack.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 25, 2020 15:19:06 GMT -5
This gets addressed a few times, including when Bluestar talks to Fireheart and Graystripe about it. All the tension with RiverClan and ShadowClan I remember from Fire and Ice was related to them being angry about WindClan’s return. I don’t remember anything about ThunderClan being at risk of attack. The scene takes place just after Graystripe accidentally kills Whiteclaw and neither they nor ShadowClan wanted WindClan back. Plus, Clan life is Clan life. Bluestar may have just wanted to set a precaution, even if an attack never actually came. For all she knew, ThunderClan could've been attacked out of vengeance at most.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 26, 2020 11:07:31 GMT -5
I had forgotten about Cinderpelt and Brackenfur being apprenticed early until I read an old thread on this subject about three days ago. Pretty weird. I also don’t understand why Fireheart and Graystripe were made their mentors, since they were the two youngest warriors. Really, the warrior cats in general use standards that would be considered human rights violations by humans. Six months for cats is roughly six years for humans, if you use the standard that the first 2 years of a cat’s life are 24 years for a human. (With each year afterword being 4 human years.) Basically, the warrior code allows apprenticeships at age six. It’s not like apprentices in the American colonies, who usually began their terms when they were 14ish and ended at 21ish. That's not entirely accurate. Yes, official apprenticeships with mentors did not begin until early teen years, but that wasn't the only education they received. Boys were expected to help out on the farm/around the shop from a young age, as were girls around the home, both learning basic life skills like reading, arithmetic, writing, sewing, cooking, harvesting, etc. Essentially, how to get along in life even lacking "refined" skills. Hunting and fighting are those basic skills for clan cats. Until they learn how to do that, they're kinda useless. It makes perfect sense to teach them at a young age how to survive and contribute-- that's not really a "human rights violation". It's no different than farm kids learning at a young age how to help out.
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Post by Jaysnow on Dec 3, 2022 19:53:42 GMT -5
Personally, I think that Bluestar only did this in order for the prophecy to work as she most likely planned to make Fireheart deputy after Tigerclaw. Keep in mind that this was before Forest of Secrets so she still trusts StarClan. She most likely gave Graystripe Brackenpaw because it wouldn’t make since if both of them didn’t have apprentices. I still don’t know why the authors chose to do this though. Sand Really old thread.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Dec 3, 2022 19:58:08 GMT -5
Ik it’s old, I’m just that rlly annoying person who replies to old things Just as a heads up, you’re not supposed to post on threads that are over a month old. Welcome to the forums though!
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