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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 21, 2020 16:00:38 GMT -5
what style of POV distribution would you prefer for warriors?
since i'm on a "a song of ice and fire" binge (the game of thrones books) right now, i have been thinking a LOT about how the books distribute POV to everyone who has a plot going on. there's no 1 single plot in each ASOIAF so the POV for each chapter is widely distributed, but it never feels lost or confusing (at least to me) because it's a continuous flow of subplots that keep you engaged even though your attention is spread between all the things happening in different places.
do you think warriors should try this kind of POV style? that way people like me who complain about the strict POV restrictions won't complain anymore if all kinds of random characters got POV to keep things diverse...
but the issue is that warriors opperates extremely different to ASOIAF. like i said, ASOIAF has multiple plots going on per book which is why there's a lot of diverse POV's with vastly different things going on and a lot of times, POV's will intersect because lots of characters are involved in which ever plot going on for them or a group, etc.
but warriors DOES operate on one big plot at a time, which is why the only cats we get POV on are the protagonists. i'm not sure what the largest number of POV we've had in the warriors books, but i think TNP had squirrelflight, leafpool, brambleclaw (i think?), stormfur and feather. if i missed one or something, let me know.
point being, the only plot going on is what we see, and that means only the main protags involved get POVs...there's no ongoing subplot for background characters like in ASOIAF, but then again, i don't think George R.R. Martin views any of his POV characters as "background" because they have SOME kind of subplot going on and sometimes they have intersecting importance to other character POV's, etc.
not to ramble on too much, but what do you think? how could warriors diversify their POVs so we're not just stuck to the same three clans all the time and the same protag POVs for 1 arc at a time?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 17:17:14 GMT -5
It depends on the arc. TPB was fine, though, it would have been nice to have a ShadowClan POV, or the POV of a cat who was born in ThunderClan, to I guess show the differences between a cat born in the clans, and a cat not, and how they felt about a kittypet being their savior.
In TNP, I would have given a POV to each of the cats chosen to go on the journey, and Leafpool. In DOTC, I would have books 1 be fully Gray Wing's POV, and books 2-5 be each founding leader with a POV, like book 2 is Windstar, book 3 is Clear Sky, etc.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Oct 21, 2020 18:40:01 GMT -5
You seem to be operating under the assumption that more POVs is inherently better than fewer POVs. This isn't accurate. Warriors is told in 3rd Person Deep, which is a viewpoint with a limit on how many characters can get POVs-- typically 3 is as far as you can go without either stretching the author too thin or confusing the reader (though there are exceptions).
So I've always said that every book should have no more than 3 protagonists, but within the arc those protagonists can change.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Oct 21, 2020 20:26:01 GMT -5
I personally prefer single POV books which each book delving into a specific character. But I think 1-3 POVs per book works fine for Warriors.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 21, 2020 21:15:22 GMT -5
Single POV is part of why I enjoyed the flow of TPB more than other arcs. I prefer taking the time to get to know one character really well than to split attention.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 21, 2020 21:21:48 GMT -5
I think it should be a maximum of three or so characters. Any more than that seemed overwhelming ngl.
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Post by heatherstorm on Oct 22, 2020 13:04:18 GMT -5
i think after about 3-4 POVs it gets confusing. i'm fine with the subplots getting covered in novellas or super editions or w/e and i don't really want that to change
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#add8e6
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*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 22, 2020 14:29:35 GMT -5
Three seems to be a good number of protagonists. That way there's no confusion. It'd be easier to keep track of what's going on.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 23, 2020 2:50:41 GMT -5
Anywhere between 1 and 4 PoVs per book is fine by me! I'm glad TPB started off with one PoV, but it would be cool if we got a perspective of Scourge too. That would be awesome. In TNP, all the journey cats should have gotten PoVs in different books. Tawnypelt in Midnight, Feathertail in Moonrise, Stormfur in Dawn, Crowfeather in Starlight, Brambleclaw in Twilight, and Squirrelflight in Sunset. There would probably be Leafpool PoVs shoved in there for the sake of knowing what was happening in the forest. POT did ✨amazingly✨ I'm too lazy to write the rest, I might tomorrow.
They say I'm a procrastinator, but I'm not sure what that means. I'll search it up tomorrow.
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Post by whitestorm on Oct 25, 2020 14:34:43 GMT -5
Do y'all remember that bizarre part of (I think) Midnight when we switched POV mid-chapter between Leafpaw and Brambleclaw during a gathering?
Has that ever happened in other books?
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Post by Skypaw13 on Oct 26, 2020 1:21:40 GMT -5
Do y'all remember that bizarre part of (I think) Midnight when we switched POV mid-chapter between Leafpaw and Brambleclaw during a gathering? Has that ever happened in other books? I don't remember that happening. I thought the only mid-chapter POV switch in the series was in The Sight when one of Jaypaw's chapters just randomly switches to Hollypaw's POV for like a page and a half for no discernible reason.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Oct 29, 2020 12:05:35 GMT -5
The Prophecy’s Begin arc would have benefited from having a POV from Tigerstar in order to build up Scourge since Tigerstar was always a clear villain.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 29, 2020 13:06:52 GMT -5
The Prophecy’s Begin arc would have benefited from having a POV from Tigerstar in order to build up Scourge since Tigerstar was always a clear villain. that's true. in ASOIAF, there are POV's from "bad guys." so any plot does benefit from seeing the antagonist's side alongside the protagonsits.
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Post by polarpace on Oct 30, 2020 1:34:40 GMT -5
I don't mind having multiple protagonists, but I would also love to have another arc that almost exclusively gives us the POV of one cat. I'm curious to see how the authors would go about that now, since the writing in modern Warriors is pretty different from that of the first arc.
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Post by Tas on Oct 30, 2020 20:31:34 GMT -5
We definitely don't need more POVs squeezed into each book, but I'd like to see more variation. Right now it seems to default to alternating chapters, with some characters occasionally getting doubled up. It could be smoother, but as other people have said, it depends on the plot.
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