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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 21, 2020 6:42:36 GMT -5
Inspired by this video by Bright Guardian Akira:
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Post by StormPlayz on Sept 21, 2020 7:59:04 GMT -5
I watched the video a few days ago and I thought he had a legit point. I'd never even noticed before he never thought about Briarlight specifically, or ANY of her siblings. I'm concluding Graystripe is a good mate, but a bad dad to his kits with Millie.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 21, 2020 9:26:45 GMT -5
I think he has more of a "Spiderleg with his kits" type of relationship with them. Even so, he was still a bad father to his kits with Silverstream. In the video, somebody mentions below with something i agree with:
"After Stormfur and Feathertail were born, he joined RiverClan for the sole purpose of being with them, but Graystripe ended up abandoning them anyway because he frankly loved ThunderClan/Firestar/his old friends more than he loved his kits. Also, by joining RiverClan, betraying RiverClan, then going back to ThunderClan, Graystripe ended up making RiverClan/Leopardstar hate him even more than they did before, thus making life harder for his kits since they would be viewed as untrustworthy, like their father."
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Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 21, 2020 9:34:07 GMT -5
I think he has more of a "Spiderleg with his kits" type of relationship with them. Even so, he was still a bad father to his kits with Silverstream. In the video, somebody mentions below with something i agree with: "After Stormfur and Feathertail were born, he joined RiverClan for the sole purpose of being with them, but Graystripe ended up abandoning them anyway because he frankly loved ThunderClan/Firestar/his old friends more than he loved his kits. Also, by joining RiverClan, betraying RiverClan, then going back to ThunderClan, Graystripe ended up making RiverClan/Leopardstar hate him even more than they did before, thus making life harder for his kits since they would be viewed as untrustworthy, like their father."I don't even like Graystripe that much, but I keep on seeing similar comments when it comes to criticizing him, but this isn't really accurate. While it's true that he was more loyal to ThunderClan, Graystripe didn't abandon RiverClan. He was literally exiled, so he didn't really have much of a choice anyway.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 21, 2020 9:38:06 GMT -5
Fair point. Altough only joining another Clan to be with your kits is pretty much a jerk move, because switching Clans means you swear loyalty and having to fight against your former clanmates, wich Greystripe refused to do so. But i mean, getting on his shoes, i wouldn't want to fight against my former home and friend, so i can undertand why he wanted to return with Fireheart.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 21, 2020 10:00:15 GMT -5
Fair point. Altough only joining another Clan to be with your kits is pretty much a jerk move, because switching Clans means you swear loyalty and having to fight against your former clanmates, wich Greystripe refused to do so. But i mean, getting on his shoes, i wouldn't want to fight against my former home and friend, so i can undertand why he wanted to return with Fireheart. Considering he was still young and his kits were his last connection to Silverstream, whose dying words to him were to take care of them, I don't really blame him for wanting to be with them initially. Their only other relative in RiverClan was Crookedstar, who was of course a leader and wouldn't have had much time for them as a result. If anything, his decision made logical sense at the time.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 21, 2020 10:06:00 GMT -5
Fair point. Altough only joining another Clan to be with your kits is pretty much a jerk move, because switching Clans means you swear loyalty and having to fight against your former clanmates, wich Greystripe refused to do so. But i mean, getting on his shoes, i wouldn't want to fight against my former home and friend, so i can undertand why he wanted to return with Fireheart. Considering he was still young and his kits were his last connection to Silverstream, whose dying words to him were to take care of them, I don't really blame him for wanting to be with them initially. Their only other relative in RiverClan was Crookedstar, who was of course a leader and wouldn't have had much time for them as a result. If anything, his decision made logical sense at the time. Makes a lot of sense!
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Post by highprince on Sept 21, 2020 11:14:29 GMT -5
I think it’s hard to know when neither he or his kits were really main characters. I know we got Feathertail, and GV, but they were all adults in those books.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 21, 2020 11:34:39 GMT -5
ice cold take
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Sept 21, 2020 15:52:37 GMT -5
I can't really say... we don't see him with his kits a lot.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 21, 2020 18:03:42 GMT -5
i've never thought of graystripe as a good dad...like ever. he's always been bad to me. after the whole silverstream thing, he stopped being a unique character anyways.
he couldn't be loyal to riverclan for the sake of his kits who he claims are super important to him...so if he couldn't even do that, then what kind of father is he? then his kits with millie, we NEVER see him be a dad to any of them! the only thing we got was millie's side of things when it came to briarlight. we got nothing from graystripe. not even anything on bumblestripe. why didn't graystripe be a dad to his son and give him girl advice or something? graystripe also wasn't as invovled as millie when it came to that blossomfall thing people always bring up when it comes to millie's parenting...but what about graystripe?
he's as absent as a parent as they come in this series. i stopped liking graystripe years ago anyways. he sucks so much. never mentored his own apprentice (not even when he came back? that's lame). never shown as a father or interacting with his kits as much as millie. was way too happy seeing silverstream in the last hope (it rubbed me the wrong way. i know in his SE, they give more appreciation for millie, but still!).
graystripe is awful in way too many aspects.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 21, 2020 18:10:25 GMT -5
Kind of sick and tired of this take, he’s a perfectly fine dad who clearly loved all of his kits and his mates deeply. He’s literally a background character. Is Whitestorm a garbage father to Sorreltail and her brothers? Was Snowbush a bad father when he was alive?
We don’t see every waking moment with Graystripe anymore, but GV easily proved that he loved both his families, which is more than I can say for alot of characters that are genuinely bad fathers. And even then, a father who doesn’t spend every second with their kids is not a bad father at all.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 21, 2020 18:12:35 GMT -5
Probably, he never really thinks about or hangs out with them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 18:14:03 GMT -5
Kind of sick and tired of this take, he’s a perfectly fine dad who clearly loved all of his kits and his mates deeply. He’s literally a background character. Is Whitestorm a garbage father to Sorreltail and her brothers? Was Snowbush a bad father when he was alive? We don’t see every waking moment with Graystripe anymore, but GV easily proved that he loved both his families, which is more than I can say for alot of characters that are genuinely bad fathers. And even then, a father who doesn’t spend every second with their kids is not a bad father at all. I wish I could like this post 1000 times. It does kind of suck though, that they brought Graystripe back, only to shove him into the background, and basically never do anything with him until this arc.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 21, 2020 18:21:19 GMT -5
Kind of sick and tired of this take, he’s a perfectly fine dad who clearly loved all of his kits and his mates deeply. He’s literally a background character. Is Whitestorm a garbage father to Sorreltail and her brothers? Was Snowbush a bad father when he was alive? We don’t see every waking moment with Graystripe anymore, but GV easily proved that he loved both his families, which is more than I can say for alot of characters that are genuinely bad fathers. And even then, a father who doesn’t spend every second with their kids is not a bad father at all. my point was that if blossomfall only mentions millie, then what does that make graystripe? they could have had bumblestripe or blossomfall mention graystripe at least as much as they mention millie, but they don't as far as i can remember at least. think the series biggest mistake was making a big deal about spiderleg not being a dad but then make every other dad afterward non existent compared to the mothers :\
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 21, 2020 18:37:36 GMT -5
Kind of sick and tired of this take, he’s a perfectly fine dad who clearly loved all of his kits and his mates deeply. He’s literally a background character. Is Whitestorm a garbage father to Sorreltail and her brothers? Was Snowbush a bad father when he was alive? We don’t see every waking moment with Graystripe anymore, but GV easily proved that he loved both his families, which is more than I can say for alot of characters that are genuinely bad fathers. And even then, a father who doesn’t spend every second with their kids is not a bad father at all. my point was that if blossomfall only mentions millie, then what does that make graystripe? they could have had bumblestripe or blossomfall mention graystripe at least as much as they mention millie, but they don't as far as i can remember at least. think the series biggest mistake was making a big deal about spiderleg not being a dad but then make every other dad afterward non existent compared to the mothers :\ She mentions Millie because that was part of her character as a whole, was that she wanted Millie’s attention. She never mentions Graystripe because she has no conflict with him. This could very well mean that he’s actually a fine father and that his kits are comfortable in their relationship with him. Graystripe has always been a laid-back, easy going cat. That personality can transfer over to parenthood. He was probably just fine as a father, but didn’t coddle his kits and fill up all their time. If they mentioned Graystripe as a neglectful father, then maybe I’d believe these theories. But they don’t, at all. I’m firmly on the stance that it’s just a case of background character irrelevance. And even then, Blossomfall only got spotlight because they needed a reason for her to be in the Dark Forest, and Ivypool needed conflict. I do agree with the Spiderleg point though. They never show many fathers doing anything so it’s really not a sign of bad fatherhood but moreso that background irrelevance.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 21, 2020 18:40:39 GMT -5
Kind of sick and tired of this take, he’s a perfectly fine dad who clearly loved all of his kits and his mates deeply. He’s literally a background character. Is Whitestorm a garbage father to Sorreltail and her brothers? Was Snowbush a bad father when he was alive? We don’t see every waking moment with Graystripe anymore, but GV easily proved that he loved both his families, which is more than I can say for alot of characters that are genuinely bad fathers. And even then, a father who doesn’t spend every second with their kids is not a bad father at all. my point was that if blossomfall only mentions millie, then what does that make graystripe? they could have had bumblestripe or blossomfall mention graystripe at least as much as they mention millie, but they don't as far as i can remember at least. think the series biggest mistake was making a big deal about spiderleg not being a dad but then make every other dad afterward non existent compared to the mothers :\ Adding onto this, Graystripe was a very important character in the first arc, so him not being around his second litter all that much (that we see) is alot more obvious compared to other fathers (Whitestorm for instance was a supporting character at most), and none of Graystripe's kits are minor characters. It also doesn't help that OotS has a big theme on family conflict, one of which involves his second mate and daughters. One part that sticks out to me the most is when Millie scolded her. Graystripe is mentioned in the scene, but does absolutely nothing about the situation. And it's perfectly possible he has a great relationship with his kits, but rarely do we get anything of him acting like a father towards them, especially compared to Millie, who—for better or worse—had always been overprotective of her kits. Just everything about this family dynamic is strange if we consider the context. And it would've been interesting if this had been intentional and provide some internal conflict for the family, but it's more likely the writers just got lazy and/or forgot that Graystripe even had a second litter at all most of the time. Basically, there should've been more showing when it came to Graystripe and his second litter. Not anything big either, even just them having a family moment in the background would've been great.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 21, 2020 18:46:55 GMT -5
I don't know why people keep insisting he's a bad dad. Hell, GV even shows he cares deeply about his grandkit (Stemleaf) as he keeps getting brought up.
The three Bs were born at a point that Graystripe was no longer a main character, so we don't get that focus, but there's 0 reason to doubt he's a bad dad - especially considering how much he loved Stormfur and Feathertail
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 9:30:35 GMT -5
He's good to Feather and Storm, but very shitty to the 3 Bs. When Blossomfall was yelled at, did he ever comfort her? No. People only cared about Millie yelling but no one pointed out how Gray didn't do anything to comfort his daughter. I have seen him maybe only once with Briarlight since she broke her spine, one time when she broke it, and the other when she was dying. He never saw her or tried to support her. I never see Gray boasting about his new family like he did with Feather and Storm. People can get mad and defend him all you want, but being absent is not a good father. If you're not supportive to any of your kits then you're a shit dad. If you show favoritism to your previous family but not the current one then you're a shit dad. If you're not there for your daughter who had to deal with abuse with your mother then you're a shit dad. Graystripe is a shitty dad. I'm harsh on him and do not like him because I've had my own problems with my biological dad who was never there for me most of my life until now, at the age of 25. It took him 25 years to see he was a shitty dad because he realized he was never there for me and supported me. So no, Gray isn't a good dad, and I'm not gonna cut him any slack because he's old and was good to his previous family. He wasn't fair to Millie or the 3 Bs. Screw Graystripe.
Warriors General can be mad all they want, I've had to deal with my own fair share of having an absent dad, I think I have a valid reason to not like Graystripe. So I understand why people think he's a horrible father, and I'm not changing my mind.. like ever, no matter what people say. So I hope people respect this and won't debate because it's not gonna work. Keep in mind these are fictional cats, and it's not worth trying to feel like you want to prove yourself right to someone. Not worth the energy.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 22, 2020 10:31:23 GMT -5
i dont understand the logic that not seeing family moments in the books = he must have been an bad absent father. just because he ysed to be a main character doesnt mean once the POV switches four arcs later we necessarily should see his kits relationship more than others? bizarre. we dont see dustpelt ever be familial with foxleap and icewing, doesnt mean hes a bad dad to them
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 22, 2020 11:22:27 GMT -5
i dont understand the logic that not seeing family moments in the books = he must have been an bad absent father. just because he ysed to be a main character doesnt mean once the POV switches four arcs later we necessarily should see his kits relationship more than others? bizarre. we dont see dustpelt ever be familial with foxleap and icewing, doesnt mean hes a bad dad to them I think the difference is that not only was Graystripe a major character, but all three of his kits are supporting characters, so it's alot more noticable with him compared to other cats, especially when two of those same kits have issues with one of their parents already. I highly doubt it's intentional, but given all the context, I can see why it would be upsetting.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 22, 2020 11:28:36 GMT -5
I’m serious though, if there was genuinely as issue, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe would have said something. Blossomfall was clearly vocal about her sadness about Millie. Not a word was said about Graystripe. To assume he did not love his second litter equally is such a mischaracterization of a character who clearly loved his kits canonly before. He clearly adored Millie too. Why the heck would he suddenly be absent or a horrible father with his other kits? It makes 0 sense to me. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but it just boggles me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 11:32:26 GMT -5
I’m serious though, if there was genuinely as issue, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe would have said something. Blossomfall was clearly vocal about her sadness about Millie. Not a word was said about Graystripe. To assume he did not love his second litter equally is such a mischaracterization of a character who clearly loved his kits canonly before. He clearly adored Millie too. Why the heck would he suddenly be absent or a horrible father with his other kits? It makes 0 sense to me. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but it just boggles me. I agree with you, but if Graystripe was a bad dad to his second litter, it could be because he was afraid to get too close again, after Feathertail dying, and Stormfur getting sucked into the Tribe. It also couldn't have been easy, when Briarlight almost died twice as a kit. It's not okay, and it doesn't excuse him (if he was a bad dad), but I can see that as a reason why, he wasn't as close to his second litter.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 22, 2020 11:41:09 GMT -5
I’m serious though, if there was genuinely as issue, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe would have said something. Blossomfall was clearly vocal about her sadness about Millie. Not a word was said about Graystripe. To assume he did not love his second litter equally is such a mischaracterization of a character who clearly loved his kits canonly before. He clearly adored Millie too. Why the heck would he suddenly be absent or a horrible father with his other kits? It makes 0 sense to me. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but it just boggles me. I agree with you, but if Graystripe was a bad dad to his second litter, it could be because he was afraid to get too close again, after Feathertail dying, and Stormfur getting sucked into the Tribe. It also couldn't have been easy, when Briarlight almost died twice as a kit. It's not okay, and it doesn't excuse him (if he was a bad dad), but I can see that as a reason why, he wasn't as close to his second litter. That could work, but the issue is that there’s 0 evidence of that. It’s all speculations and mischaracterization at that point. This time his kits are safe and with him in Thunderclan. There’s no reason beyond that fallen tree for him to fear getting close to them. He got close to Millie after losing Silverstream, he can do the same for his kits, yeah? Not to mention he says this in Bramblestar’s Storm before he becomes an elder. This is not a cat who cares nothing for his second mate and litter: “Cats of ThunderClan, I'm so glad that I came back to find ThunderClan. I could never have made the journey without Millie, and I was so blessed by StarClan to have a second chance to raise kits. I have lost so many cats who were precious to me, and not a day goes by when I don't think of Silverstream, Feathertail, and Stormfur. But I have no quarrel with StarClan for the path they chose for me, and I'm proud of all my kits. Blossomfall for her courage and skill in battle; Bumblestripe for his loyalty and compassion; and Briarlight for her bravery, her humbling spirit, and her hopefulness. I shall be watching all of you from the elders' den; you can be sure of that.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 11:43:23 GMT -5
I agree with you, but if Graystripe was a bad dad to his second litter, it could be because he was afraid to get too close again, after Feathertail dying, and Stormfur getting sucked into the Tribe. It also couldn't have been easy, when Briarlight almost died twice as a kit. It's not okay, and it doesn't excuse him (if he was a bad dad), but I can see that as a reason why, he wasn't as close to his second litter. That could work, but the issue is that there’s 0 evidence of that. It’s all speculations and mischaracterization at that point. This time his kits are safe and with him in Thunderclan. There’s no reason beyond that fallen tree for him to fear getting close to them. He got close to Millie after losing Silverstream, he can do the same for his kits, yeah? Not to mention he says this in Bramblestar’s Storm before he becomes an elder. This is not a cat who cares nothing for his second mate and litter: “Cats of ThunderClan, I'm so glad that I came back to find ThunderClan. I could never have made the journey without Millie, and I was so blessed by StarClan to have a second chance to raise kits. I have lost so many cats who were precious to me, and not a day goes by when I don't think of Silverstream, Feathertail, and Stormfur. But I have no quarrel with StarClan for the path they chose for me, and I'm proud of all my kits. Blossomfall for her courage and skill in battle; Bumblestripe for his loyalty and compassion; and Briarlight for her bravery, her humbling spirit, and her hopefulness. I shall be watching all of you from the elders' den; you can be sure of that.” You're right! I think it really could just be a case of them focusing sooo much on the drama between Blossomfall and Millie, that Graystripe isn't even thought about
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 22, 2020 12:41:27 GMT -5
I’m serious though, if there was genuinely as issue, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe would have said something. Blossomfall was clearly vocal about her sadness about Millie. Not a word was said about Graystripe. To assume he did not love his second litter equally is such a mischaracterization of a character who clearly loved his kits canonly before. He clearly adored Millie too. Why the heck would he suddenly be absent or a horrible father with his other kits? It makes 0 sense to me. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but it just boggles me. And I completely agree with this! It's not so much an issue in-universe as it is the writing itself not really giving us much to work with in the first place, especially after Briarlight gets injured. That said, it still would've been nice if we saw Graystripe interacting with his kits in the background or even just a mention of him visiting Briarlight or something. And given how this series is, I also wouldn't be surprised if it was forgotten that Graystripe even had a second litter at all (this is, after all, the same series that somehow mixed up Mistystar and Feathertail—Stonefur and Stormfur I get because of how similar the names are—so anything's possible).
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Sept 22, 2020 14:36:27 GMT -5
I’m serious though, if there was genuinely as issue, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe would have said something. Blossomfall was clearly vocal about her sadness about Millie. Not a word was said about Graystripe. To assume he did not love his second litter equally is such a mischaracterization of a character who clearly loved his kits canonly before. He clearly adored Millie too. Why the heck would he suddenly be absent or a horrible father with his other kits? It makes 0 sense to me. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but it just boggles me. wondering now if its better to not mention him at all and assume that means he's good/ok, or if it means them not mentioning him means he's an absent father? my way of thinking is he couldnt stay loyal to riverclan to stay with feather and storm when they were young. if he cant do that for his kits, then i dont think he'd be an actual good father. yeah he loved and cared for them all, but we dont see that (and no spotlight character ever mentions it, like blossomfall), so i assume its not as true as we're lead to believe.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 22, 2020 15:05:07 GMT -5
I’m serious though, if there was genuinely as issue, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe would have said something. Blossomfall was clearly vocal about her sadness about Millie. Not a word was said about Graystripe. To assume he did not love his second litter equally is such a mischaracterization of a character who clearly loved his kits canonly before. He clearly adored Millie too. Why the heck would he suddenly be absent or a horrible father with his other kits? It makes 0 sense to me. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but it just boggles me. wondering now if its better to not mention him at all and assume that means he's good/ok, or if it means them not mentioning him means he's an absent father? my way of thinking is he couldnt stay loyal to riverclan to stay with feather and storm when they were young. if he cant do that for his kits, then i dont think he'd be an actual good father. yeah he loved and cared for them all, but we dont see that (and no spotlight character ever mentions it, like blossomfall), so i assume its not as true as we're lead to believe. He was banished from Riverclan though. Even if he wanted to stay in Riverclan with his kits, he couldn’t. Leopardstar openly disliked him ever since he accidentally killed her apprentice. And even if he did return to Thunderclan, it is so achingly obvious that he adored his kits. He openly praises and loves his kits in Bramblestar’s storm. We see that more than the assumptions people are making based on nothing but lack of text including Graystripe around his kits 24/7. If Blossomfall is so willing to mention and feel pain over Millie, why wouldn’t she mention Graystripe being neglectful too?
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Post by highprince on Sept 22, 2020 18:12:37 GMT -5
I really don’t get people saying that he’s a bad/absent father because he doesnt comfort Blossomfall. If my 25 year old daughter got all upset because her mother was paying more attention to her disabled sister, I wouldn’t be running to comfort her either. Seriously, encouraging that behavior is worse parenting.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 22, 2020 22:08:09 GMT -5
i dont understand the logic that not seeing family moments in the books = he must have been an bad absent father. just because he ysed to be a main character doesnt mean once the POV switches four arcs later we necessarily should see his kits relationship more than others? bizarre. we dont see dustpelt ever be familial with foxleap and icewing, doesnt mean hes a bad dad to them I think the difference is that not only was Graystripe a major character, but all three of his kits are supporting characters, so it's alot more noticable with him compared to other cats, especially when two of those same kits have issues with one of their parents already. I highly doubt it's intentional, but given all the context, I can see why it would be upsetting. it still does not add up for me, beacuse it implies that because a character was once more prominent in past arcs they necessarily must have a certain quota of focus in the next in order to be considered a "good parent". it just seems like an arbitrary rule people have decided to enforce, even though it has no real weight in writing anywhere. lack of attention to/commentary on his parenting doesn't infer he's a good OR bad parent, it means we (the audience) don't know; to defer to the side of negativity (and take it as canon) is odd. we don't know the relationship between any other supporting character/their parent(s) unless the narrative directs our attention to it, such as spiderleg and millie.
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