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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 27, 2020 16:28:48 GMT -5
John Dee appears in so, so, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many pieces of media. Wish I could find a list of where all he appears.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 27, 2020 20:23:18 GMT -5
Still haven't bothered with looking to see if there are any old maps ...
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 28, 2020 14:01:09 GMT -5
And here we are again!
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 29, 2020 17:47:49 GMT -5
And I didn't do anything last night, but today I'm working on the timeline again. I'll edit the front page for that, but right now I'm cataloging all his kids and when they were born and died. Things like that.
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Post by ehela on Aug 29, 2020 17:53:38 GMT -5
man i gotta be honest ive read through this thread and every post gets me more and more confused but i need to know lol
youre writing a story on the historical figure?
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 29, 2020 17:56:27 GMT -5
History. People in history. Why do you have to name your family after you - like your son - the same name you have? For example John Dee Has a son Called John Dee But Arthur Dee also has two sons Called John Dee And Rowland Dee has a one Called John Dee Are we seeing the issue yet? Also Rowland Dee Has a son Called John Dee Who has a son Called Rowland Dee And also has a son called Arthur Dee Who has a son Called Rowland Dee All three Rowland Dee's are mildly well documented. And I keep getting them mixed up! Number them at least! Please!
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 29, 2020 18:18:13 GMT -5
man i gotta be honest ive read through this thread and every post gets me more and more confused but i need to know lol youre writing a story on the historical figure? I am indeed! This might supply a good starting point. XD It isn't long, I swear: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_DeeI too need to know. And I too am confused, though it is probably a more controlled confusion. Base info is this: Arthur Dee is the son of a well known alchemist John Dee. He was also mildly well-known at the time for being an alchemist and doctor, but due to the Fire of London most of his records were lost from roughly between the ages of 8 and 60. The stuff we have between those ages are very, very sparse and incomplete. For example, we know he went to school at Westminster, but there is no records of him while he is there or even if he graduated. We know he went to college, but then we assume he dropped out, because records stop. We do not know where he got his college degree. This caused him problems for about eight years, because he started practicing medicine without a degree and the College of Physicians got on his case. The wikipedia page is incorrect and we do know the outcome of this case, if this source is accurate: www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/london-physicians/1550-1640/dee-arthur. He was suspended from being allowed to practice for a couple years, but then his family name allowed him out of thesituation. A college gave him an honorary degree - which might be what allowed him to start officially practicing. Records stop here. We know he got married, sources aren't sure exactly when. We know he had children. Sources debate exactly when. Then records pick up (ish) again, when he is recommended by the ruling London family to work with the current tsar of Russia. Finally we start getting personal records again - letters and a scattering of juicy court cases - but like most things, the records were shipped back to London where, you guessed it, the London Fire got them. So in the case of, say, Glover v Dee, we don't know what happened. While in Russia he continued his practice as a doctor and an alchemist. He wrote a book, but couldn't publish it in Russia so published it in Paris instead. He ended up in a brief court case as a witness - the case was regarding a traitor to Russia. The person got off, but was suspended from his job. Arthur was his friend. Arthur's daughter marries a man called Frances Glover on Christmas. A couple months later, Arthur throws a knife at him during an argument. It misses. Time skip after Moscow burns in several fires, including Arthur's house and artifact collection. We're having a rough time. Then we have a rougher time. Frances Glover gets sick. Arthur "treats" him. Then cue final court case in Russia. Cradocke v Glover/Dee. This has to do with the fact that they are accusing Arthur of murdering his own son-in-law. Aaaaaaaaaaand he may have done it or he may not of. No one knows, particularly considering part of that trial was //drum roll/ burned in the London Fire. Then Arthur's wife died. He leaves Russia. He starts working as a doctor to Charles the First. Sources stop. Sources start and Arthur is now retired/slightly practicing in retirement. He sort of lives with or lives near Sir Thomas Browne for a while and shares pretty much everything with him, from personal life story, to interests, to personal belongs. They're [insert slew of adjectives because historians don't want to comment on their relationship, but the string of adjectives and the fact they keep saying they wont speculate makes me suspicious] friends. Arthur's daughter dies in childbirth. Equally, there is yet another other partial case, which picks up in England now and it's about the fact that Glover's old boss was also the holder of all his money. And he wouldn't let Arthur's daughter have any of it. So they tried to get the money back. We don't know what happened. Arthur's plans for another trip with a "Hans Hanyar" but Hans Hanyar dies, so he can't. Then Arthur dies. Leaves in his will stuff to 3 daughters, 3 sons, 1 servant, and then roughly everything else went to Thomas Browne. The end. Wait, psyche, they also can't agree on when he died! So that's there too! XD
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 29, 2020 18:39:54 GMT -5
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 29, 2020 18:42:54 GMT -5
Since today I'm cataloging when family died, here's John Dee's family tree too. Same place as above.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 29, 2020 18:49:09 GMT -5
Oh. Interesting. Didn't notice that. Looks like their family name got changed to Dey.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 29, 2020 18:59:56 GMT -5
According to one source I have, Arthur did NOT get along with Russia's merchants. And yet ... and yet most of his sons and sons-in-law were merchants.
I'm not sure what that says about his character.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Aug 29, 2020 19:03:53 GMT -5
So. In addition to all of these Rowlands Arthur also had a grandfather and brother named Rowland. That's not 3 Rowland Dees. That's 5.
History research sucks when you hit this point.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 1, 2020 22:40:07 GMT -5
When all is said and done, I don't think anyone knows what order this man's life went in and it's frustrating.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 1, 2020 23:38:26 GMT -5
Did he marry his wife first? Did he practice medicine first?
I do know that he was having issues with the college post-wife-marrying. But there's iffy natures on when he moved to London and if he moved back and when he did and yada yada.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 3, 2020 0:50:38 GMT -5
I can't find any record of the servant that Arthur Dee put in his will and I also can't find record of his will. This is annoying.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 4, 2020 20:35:22 GMT -5
Making PMVs instead of writing? More likely than you think. XD
I'm starting to try and think more of Arthur's wife. I tried looking up more records of her, but no dice yet.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 4, 2020 20:37:34 GMT -5
OH HELL YES.
It looks like the college I may be going to has the $50 article on Arthur as part of their collection. Yes please! I want to read it without forking out more money.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 4, 2020 20:40:53 GMT -5
They have the $150 dollar one AND the one that people can never find. I AM LIVING. Let me at them, pleeeeeeease.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 4, 2020 21:19:09 GMT -5
So I have been trying to find other articles, somehow, but rather than that, I seem to just be finding other vague articles.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 4, 2020 21:43:09 GMT -5
So. Completely failed to find any way to get to "Harriet's Gift to Arthur Dee." In any fashion.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 4, 2020 22:05:19 GMT -5
39 The six-pointed star in Arthur Dee’s hieroglyph. From Arthur Dee,‘Arca arcanorum’(1634), British Library Sloane ms 1876, title page [191]
Well? TELL ME ABOUT IT WOULD YOU?
I taaaaaaaake it this means Arthur had a symbol much like his father did ...?
So for context, John Dee made a symbol to represent his name.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 7, 2020 15:23:59 GMT -5
Huuuuuum. What to tackle next?
I've been getting excited about new resources. I have a friend in Germany who says that she might be able to track down Arthur Dee’s hieroglyph and I am HYPED.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 7, 2020 15:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 9, 2020 23:46:16 GMT -5
Sleeeeep. I'll settle for sleep.
I need to research alchemy.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 10, 2020 22:54:43 GMT -5
Shout out to Leapkit who has supplied me with more alchemy research than I know what to do with. Have a 16th/17th century painting.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 11, 2020 22:44:47 GMT -5
By the way, Google isn't helpful because it smashes descriptions together. So there's a site who uses this sentence as an example but then it uses *a completely different sentence* next. But google compresses it, so you read it as one continuous narrative and just do a double take.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 11, 2020 23:08:21 GMT -5
Ya think?
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 11, 2020 23:31:15 GMT -5
Wow. I thought I was researching someone vague. This article is someone dedicating their time to researching someone called Francis Garland who is a one off name in John Dee's diary. It appears once. Once. And they wrote a paper.
Oh! Okay, that's a bit interesting. This Garland person is apparently important, but no one ever mentioned him other than John Dee. He also was one of the ones at the projection that first got Arthur interested in alchemy!
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLO? :eyes: This just got interesting.
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 11, 2020 23:36:40 GMT -5
Freaking what are you doing Edward Kelly? It's suggesting that Edward Kelly was trying to imply that these mysterious Garland brothers were spies. Pro tip this was the freaking day after the visions about the wife swapping thing and the next note John Dee makes in his diary is about heading to bed to tell his wife that they have to go through with it. Like ... man ... you were just told your friends were spies! Please pay attention!
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Post by mintedstar/fur🦇 on Sept 11, 2020 23:40:47 GMT -5
Yeah! Get your priorities straight! Also, Kelly, can we please acknowledge you were having two major visions over the course of two days? Can you please stop?
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