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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 11:22:20 GMT -5
Maybe you can help make these hopes turn into reality, by voting for the tunneling side? nice try, still no Rats! Foiled again!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 11:41:40 GMT -5
*holds up sign that says: help tunnelers dreams come true*
Yknow how windlcan had tunnelers and moor runners? Do you think other clans could've ever had two different type of warriors idr if we answered that fr these pages be going by so fast and idr what's canon lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 11:45:04 GMT -5
*holds up sign that says: help tunnelers dreams come true* Yknow how windlcan had tunnelers and moor runners? Do you think other clans could've ever had two different type of warriors idr if we answered that fr these pages be going by so fast and idr what's canon lol I don't think they do, but it'd be cool if they did
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 12:15:11 GMT -5
*holds up sign that says: help tunnelers dreams come true* Yknow how windlcan had tunnelers and moor runners? Do you think other clans could've ever had two different type of warriors idr if we answered that fr these pages be going by so fast and idr what's canon lol I don't think they do, but it'd be cool if they did I'd be cool if they did a series in the future and there's all sorts of different warriors and stuff but that's just me
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 12:21:06 GMT -5
I don't think they do, but it'd be cool if they did I'd be cool if they did a series in the future and there's all sorts of different warriors and stuff but that's just me That would be super cool, or if the clans had more roles in general, so not all the "unable to become a warrior" cats aren't shoved into the elder's or medicine cat den. Maybe it'd make the medicine cat position sought after and respected again, instead of a title that no one wants, only designated to cats who the leader believes unfit to be a warrior, cats who don't even want to be a medicine cat in the first place. I know there are cats who do want to be medicine cats, but out of the main character medicine cats, it's nearly unheard of.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 13:32:58 GMT -5
I'd be cool if they did a series in the future and there's all sorts of different warriors and stuff but that's just me That would be super cool, or if the clans had more roles in general, so not all the "unable to become a warrior" cats aren't shoved into the elder's or medicine cat den. Maybe it'd make the medicine cat position sought after and respected again, instead of a title that no one wants, only designated to cats who the leader believes unfit to be a warrior, cats who don't even want to be a medicine cat in the first place. I know there are cats who do want to be medicine cats, but out of the main character medicine cats, it's nearly unheard of. They should do that 100% and I totally get what you mean Like y'know maybe not everyone can fight fight in battle but they could do other things and there's just specific fighters that go straight into battle I need someone who's 100% joyous to be a medicine cat from birth practically too lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 13:41:22 GMT -5
That would be super cool, or if the clans had more roles in general, so not all the "unable to become a warrior" cats aren't shoved into the elder's or medicine cat den. Maybe it'd make the medicine cat position sought after and respected again, instead of a title that no one wants, only designated to cats who the leader believes unfit to be a warrior, cats who don't even want to be a medicine cat in the first place. I know there are cats who do want to be medicine cats, but out of the main character medicine cats, it's nearly unheard of. They should do that 100% and I totally get what you mean Like y'know maybe not everyone can fight fight in battle but they could do other things and there's just specific fighters that go straight into battle I need someone who's 100% joyous to be a medicine cat from birth practically too lol Same! Also, one who takes the oath to uphold the medicine cat code, and DOESN'T break it...LEAFPOOL.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 14:29:05 GMT -5
They should do that 100% and I totally get what you mean Like y'know maybe not everyone can fight fight in battle but they could do other things and there's just specific fighters that go straight into battle I need someone who's 100% joyous to be a medicine cat from birth practically too lol Same! Also, one who takes the oath to uphold the medicine cat code, and DOESN'T break it...LEAFPOOL. Im ngl I'm not that mad at leafpool just slightly annoyed at romance drama lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 14:32:41 GMT -5
Same! Also, one who takes the oath to uphold the medicine cat code, and DOESN'T break it...LEAFPOOL. Im ngl I'm not that mad at leafpool just slightly annoyed at romance drama lol I don't like Leafpool at all, but everyone loves her, so it's best to not say much anything else lol I wish there wasn't forbidden romance drama in every single arc. Also CROWFEATHER? REALLY?
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Brokenstar
Conquer Windclan! Train kits too early! Muahahahahaha!!!
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Post by Brokenstar on Sept 5, 2020 14:58:26 GMT -5
Im ngl I'm not that mad at leafpool just slightly annoyed at romance drama lol I don't like Leafpool at all, but everyone loves her, so it's best to not say much anything else lol I wish there wasn't forbidden romance drama in every single arc. Also CROWFEATHER? REALLY? Leafpool could have legalized her actions. She's a medicine cat who was close friends to another medicine cat. They could both pretend that they had an omen from starclan, telling them to change the warrior and medicine cat code. But no. She kept it illegal.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Sept 5, 2020 15:00:37 GMT -5
I don't like Leafpool at all, but everyone loves her, so it's best to not say much anything else lol I wish there wasn't forbidden romance drama in every single arc. Also CROWFEATHER? REALLY? Leafpool could have legalized her actions. She's a medicine cat who was close friends to another medicine cat. They could both pretend that they had an omen from starclan, telling them to change the warrior and medicine cat code. But no. She kept it illegal. While that could make for an interesting plot of some medicine cats were to do that, that would be completely unlike Leafpool to do.
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Brokenstar
Conquer Windclan! Train kits too early! Muahahahahaha!!!
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Post by Brokenstar on Sept 5, 2020 15:08:58 GMT -5
Leafpool could have legalized her actions. She's a medicine cat who was close friends to another medicine cat. They could both pretend that they had an omen from starclan, telling them to change the warrior and medicine cat code. But no. She kept it illegal. While that could make for an interesting plot of some medicine cats were to do that, that would be completely unlike Leafpool to do. It was completely unlike Leafpool to run away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:09:28 GMT -5
33 PAGES?!
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Sept 5, 2020 15:13:05 GMT -5
While that could make for an interesting plot of some medicine cats were to do that, that would be completely unlike Leafpool to do. It was completely unlike Leafpool to run away. StarClan sort of encouraged her to do that, what with Spottedleaf’s vague “follow your heart” nonsense. Honestly I think it wasn’t really out of character for her, after all she did realize her mistake and come back. That’s far more believable and in-character for her to me than manipulating and blackmailing everyone with a fake StarClan sign, that’s something Hawkfrost would do (and did, with the moth’s wing). Leafpool does actually respect and listen to her ancestors.
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Brokenstar
Conquer Windclan! Train kits too early! Muahahahahaha!!!
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Post by Brokenstar on Sept 5, 2020 15:15:13 GMT -5
It was completely unlike Leafpool to run away. StarClan sort of encouraged her to do that, what with Spottedleaf’s vague “follow your heart” nonsense. Honestly I think it wasn’t really out of character for her, after all she did realize her mistake and come back. That’s far more believable and in-character for her to me than manipulating and blackmailing everyone with a fake StarClan sign, that’s something Hawkfrost would do (and did, with the moth’s wing). Leafpool does actually respect and listen to her ancestors. Starclan also told her that Cinderpelt hadn't tried to stop Leafpool from running away. Also, there are moral differences. She could have figured it would help future generations of medicine cats. Also, she wouldn't be forcing Mothwing into it.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Sept 5, 2020 15:20:00 GMT -5
StarClan sort of encouraged her to do that, what with Spottedleaf’s vague “follow your heart” nonsense. Honestly I think it wasn’t really out of character for her, after all she did realize her mistake and come back. That’s far more believable and in-character for her to me than manipulating and blackmailing everyone with a fake StarClan sign, that’s something Hawkfrost would do (and did, with the moth’s wing). Leafpool does actually respect and listen to her ancestors. Starclan also told her that Cinderpelt hadn't tried to stop Leafpool from running away. Also, there are moral differences. She could have figured it would help future generations of medicine cats. Also, she wouldn't be forcing Mothwing into it. Its still deception and lying, which technically she did with the kits but StarClan did encourage that. I cannot see Leafpool, being as passive and devoted to StarClan as she is, faking a sign from StarClan, regardless of what it was for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:24:07 GMT -5
Im ngl I'm not that mad at leafpool just slightly annoyed at romance drama lol I don't like Leafpool at all, but everyone loves her, so it's best to not say much anything else lol I wish there wasn't forbidden romance drama in every single arc. Also CROWFEATHER? REALLY? Lol I'm definitely not a Leafpool stan tbh I used to like Squirrel flight way more and like in general but now I'm like y'know what anyone else can have these two lol Crowfeather probably isn't that hot *nods head* lmao
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Brokenstar
Conquer Windclan! Train kits too early! Muahahahahaha!!!
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Post by Brokenstar on Sept 5, 2020 15:28:19 GMT -5
Starclan also told her that Cinderpelt hadn't tried to stop Leafpool from running away. Also, there are moral differences. She could have figured it would help future generations of medicine cats. Also, she wouldn't be forcing Mothwing into it. Its still deception and lying, which technically she did with the kits but StarClan did encourage that. I cannot see Leafpool, being as passive and devoted to StarClan as she is, faking a sign from StarClan, regardless of what it was for. If Starclan was okay with her breaking the code, wouldn't they be okay with everybody else breaking the code?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:28:29 GMT -5
I don't like Leafpool at all, but everyone loves her, so it's best to not say much anything else lol I wish there wasn't forbidden romance drama in every single arc. Also CROWFEATHER? REALLY? Lol I'm definitely not a Leafpool stan tbh I used to like Squirrel flight way more and like in general but now I'm like y'know what anyone else can have these two lol Crowfeather probably isn't that hot *nods head* lmao I honestly don't care for either one of them, they both come across as a bit entitled, but I do like Squirrelflight slightly more than Leafpool. Crowfeather is a scrawny little traitorous rat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:34:47 GMT -5
Lol I'm definitely not a Leafpool stan tbh I used to like Squirrel flight way more and like in general but now I'm like y'know what anyone else can have these two lol Crowfeather probably isn't that hot *nods head* lmao I honestly don't care for either one of them, they both come across as a bit entitled, but I do like Squirrelflight slightly more than Leafpool. Crowfeather is a scrawny little traitorous rat. I think as a kid I saw her as the "tomboy" ish one which fit me as a kid lol (squirrel flight) Lmao I mean where are the lies?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:35:29 GMT -5
I don't like Leafpool at all, but everyone loves her, so it's best to not say much anything else lol I wish there wasn't forbidden romance drama in every single arc. Also CROWFEATHER? REALLY? Leafpool could have legalized her actions. She's a medicine cat who was close friends to another medicine cat. They could both pretend that they had an omen from starclan, telling them to change the warrior and medicine cat code. But no. She kept it illegal. I just want to say that I want this to be an au it'd be interesting fr
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Sept 5, 2020 15:37:41 GMT -5
Its still deception and lying, which technically she did with the kits but StarClan did encourage that. I cannot see Leafpool, being as passive and devoted to StarClan as she is, faking a sign from StarClan, regardless of what it was for. If Starclan was okay with her breaking the code, wouldn't they be okay with everybody else breaking the code? StarClan seemed to change their minds in Squirrelflight’s Hope. Besides, I don’t think they were exactly okay with her codebreaking to begin with. Spottedleaf told her a vague “follow your heart”, which Leafpool at first interpreted as go with Crowfeather, but it turned out that it really meant stay as a medicine cat. When I used that as an example earlier, I meant it as in Leafpool thought at the time that StarClan was encouraging her to leave (plus she felt like Brightheart was replacing her and she wasn’t needed in her clan anyway), so that’s why it makes sense that she left and is in-character for her. Then, later, Yellowfang did encourage Leafpool to lie and give the kits to Squirrelflight, but this was probably more to ensure that the three (or two of the three) grew up properly and in the clan (even though I doubt Firestar would’ve exiles Leafpool or anything) since StarClan knew how important the three were. I don’t think it was necessarily a case of approving what Leafpool had done. But ultimately, codebreaking and getting the medicine cat code changed isn’t what I have a problem with here, it’s the fact that Leafpool wouldn’t resort to manipulation and faking omens to do it. Regardless of what StarClan thinks of medicine cats having kids, I doubt they’d be fond of Leafpool faking a sign from them to abolish that rule.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:38:21 GMT -5
I honestly don't care for either one of them, they both come across as a bit entitled, but I do like Squirrelflight slightly more than Leafpool. Crowfeather is a scrawny little traitorous rat. I think as a kid I saw her as the "tomboy" ish one which fit me as a kid lol (squirrel flight) Lmao I mean where are the lies? That makes sense lol Right? I can't believe Crowfeather would betray his poor sweet old innocent mentor like that
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Brokenstar
Conquer Windclan! Train kits too early! Muahahahahaha!!!
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Post by Brokenstar on Sept 5, 2020 15:48:26 GMT -5
If Starclan was okay with her breaking the code, wouldn't they be okay with everybody else breaking the code? StarClan seemed to change their minds in Squirrelflight’s Hope. Besides, I don’t think they were exactly okay with her codebreaking to begin with. Spottedleaf told her a vague “follow your heart”, which Leafpool at first interpreted as go with Crowfeather, but it turned out that it really meant stay as a medicine cat. When I used that as an example earlier, I meant it as in Leafpool thought at the time that StarClan was encouraging her to leave (plus she felt like Brightheart was replacing her and she wasn’t needed in her clan anyway), so that’s why it makes sense that she left and is in-character for her. Then, later, Yellowfang did encourage Leafpool to lie and give the kits to Squirrelflight, but this was probably more to ensure that the three (or two of the three) grew up properly and in the clan (even though I doubt Firestar would’ve exiles Leafpool or anything) since StarClan knew how important the three were. I don’t think it was necessarily a case of approving what Leafpool had done. But ultimately, codebreaking and getting the medicine cat code changed isn’t what I have a problem with here, it’s the fact that Leafpool wouldn’t resort to manipulation and faking omens to do it. Regardless of what StarClan thinks of medicine cats having kids, I doubt they’d be fond of Leafpool faking a sign from them to abolish that rule. Well, perhaps not manipulation, but she might make a fake omen, if it meant helping future generations of medicine cats. Also, I'm pretty sure that of Starclan would encourage it this way, they probably would encourage it the fake omen way. See Jaypaw for some proof. They weren't that happy with it this way, but they'd probably be happy with a change in the warrior code.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Sept 5, 2020 16:00:21 GMT -5
StarClan seemed to change their minds in Squirrelflight’s Hope. Besides, I don’t think they were exactly okay with her codebreaking to begin with. Spottedleaf told her a vague “follow your heart”, which Leafpool at first interpreted as go with Crowfeather, but it turned out that it really meant stay as a medicine cat. When I used that as an example earlier, I meant it as in Leafpool thought at the time that StarClan was encouraging her to leave (plus she felt like Brightheart was replacing her and she wasn’t needed in her clan anyway), so that’s why it makes sense that she left and is in-character for her. Then, later, Yellowfang did encourage Leafpool to lie and give the kits to Squirrelflight, but this was probably more to ensure that the three (or two of the three) grew up properly and in the clan (even though I doubt Firestar would’ve exiles Leafpool or anything) since StarClan knew how important the three were. I don’t think it was necessarily a case of approving what Leafpool had done. But ultimately, codebreaking and getting the medicine cat code changed isn’t what I have a problem with here, it’s the fact that Leafpool wouldn’t resort to manipulation and faking omens to do it. Regardless of what StarClan thinks of medicine cats having kids, I doubt they’d be fond of Leafpool faking a sign from them to abolish that rule. Well, perhaps not manipulation, but she might make a fake omen, if it meant helping future generations of medicine cats. Also, I'm pretty sure that of Starclan would encourage it this way, they probably would encourage it the fake omen way. See Jaypaw for some proof. They weren't that happy with it this way, but they'd probably be happy with a change in the warrior code. I doubt StarClan would encourage that, based on how they acted in Squirrelflight’s Hope. Jaypaw and the fake omen he and his siblings (as well as Tiger, Flame, and Dawn) crested is a whole different case. The whole purpose of faking that omen was to make ShadowClan go back to StarClan, so of course StarClan was in favor of this. Plus, regardless of what StarClan thinks, it’s what Leafpool thinks that’s the issue. How would Leafpool know that StarClan wanted her to change the medicine cat code if she faked the sign anyway? Besides, if StarClan wanted her to change it, why wouldn’t they just send her a real sign to change the medicine cat code? If StarClan had actually told her to, she would, because she’d want to listen to them. Also, Jaypaw is a whole different cat, and has shown time and time again that he doesn’t necessarily think of StarClan as so superior and he doesn’t just blindly follow what StarClan tells him (like in The Last Hope when StarClan was divided and he thought that was incredibly stupid and reunited them). Leafpool, on the other hand, is far more passive, caring, and highly respectful of StarClan. I just can’t see Leafpool faking it. To clarify again, I have no issues with the concept itself of a medicine cat faking a sign from StarClan to get the medicine cat code changes, that could be a super interesting plotline. In an AU where Leafpool’s personality is a bit different, it’d be great. It’s just that canon Leafpool wouldn’t do that without being out-of-character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 16:01:26 GMT -5
I think as a kid I saw her as the "tomboy" ish one which fit me as a kid lol (squirrel flight) Lmao I mean where are the lies? That makes sense lol Right? I can't believe Crowfeather would betray his poor sweet old innocent mentor like that Mudclaws probably like "I can't have anything nice now can I?" Lmao
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 16:04:39 GMT -5
That makes sense lol Right? I can't believe Crowfeather would betray his poor sweet old innocent mentor like that Mudclaws probably like "I can't have anything nice now can I?" Lmao Poor Mudclaw, he was just doing his job, when he got everything ripped away from him, because Tallstar had a bad dream, and also because he loves his nephew/step son's best friend more than the son of his arch nemesis
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Brokenstar
Conquer Windclan! Train kits too early! Muahahahahaha!!!
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Post by Brokenstar on Sept 5, 2020 16:04:42 GMT -5
Well, perhaps not manipulation, but she might make a fake omen, if it meant helping future generations of medicine cats. Also, I'm pretty sure that of Starclan would encourage it this way, they probably would encourage it the fake omen way. See Jaypaw for some proof. They weren't that happy with it this way, but they'd probably be happy with a change in the warrior code. I doubt StarClan would encourage that, based on how they acted in Squirrelflight’s Hope. Jaypaw and the fake omen he and his siblings (as well as Tiger, Flame, and Dawn) crested is a whole different case. The whole purpose of faking that omen was to make ShadowClan go back to StarClan, so of course StarClan was in favor of this. Plus, regardless of what StarClan thinks, it’s what Leafpool thinks that’s the issue. How would Leafpool know that StarClan wanted her to change the medicine cat code if she faked the sign anyway? Besides, if StarClan wanted her to change it, why wouldn’t they just send her a real sign to change the medicine cat code? If StarClan had actually told her to, she would, because she’d want to listen to them. Also, Jaypaw is a whole different cat, and has shown time and time again that he doesn’t necessarily think of StarClan as so superior and he doesn’t just blindly follow what StarClan tells him (like in The Last Hope when StarClan was divided and he thought that was incredibly stupid and reunited them). Leafpool, on the other hand, is far more passive, caring, and highly respectful of StarClan. I just can’t see Leafpool faking it. To clarify again, I have no issues with the concept itself of a medicine cat faking a sign from StarClan to get the medicine cat code changes, that could be a super interesting plotline. In an AU where Leafpool’s personality is a bit different, it’d be great. It’s just that canon Leafpool wouldn’t do that without being out-of-character. You know what? You've convinced me. But I hate that part of the code! It could have been, "A medicine cat cannot have a mate or kits unless there is at least one other cat in the clan trained in basic medicine and delivering kits".
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Sept 5, 2020 16:09:55 GMT -5
I doubt StarClan would encourage that, based on how they acted in Squirrelflight’s Hope. Jaypaw and the fake omen he and his siblings (as well as Tiger, Flame, and Dawn) crested is a whole different case. The whole purpose of faking that omen was to make ShadowClan go back to StarClan, so of course StarClan was in favor of this. Plus, regardless of what StarClan thinks, it’s what Leafpool thinks that’s the issue. How would Leafpool know that StarClan wanted her to change the medicine cat code if she faked the sign anyway? Besides, if StarClan wanted her to change it, why wouldn’t they just send her a real sign to change the medicine cat code? If StarClan had actually told her to, she would, because she’d want to listen to them. Also, Jaypaw is a whole different cat, and has shown time and time again that he doesn’t necessarily think of StarClan as so superior and he doesn’t just blindly follow what StarClan tells him (like in The Last Hope when StarClan was divided and he thought that was incredibly stupid and reunited them). Leafpool, on the other hand, is far more passive, caring, and highly respectful of StarClan. I just can’t see Leafpool faking it. To clarify again, I have no issues with the concept itself of a medicine cat faking a sign from StarClan to get the medicine cat code changes, that could be a super interesting plotline. In an AU where Leafpool’s personality is a bit different, it’d be great. It’s just that canon Leafpool wouldn’t do that without being out-of-character. You know what? You've convinced me. But I hate that part of the code! It could have been, "A medicine cat cannot have a mate or kits unless there is at least one other cat in the clan trained in basic medicine and delivering kits". Yeah, it’s kind of a dumb rule. If there was some sort of valid reason for it, okay, whatever, but as it stands it doesn’t even make much sense for the rule to exist because it’s only there because one cat couldn’t handle being a mom and a medicine cat like 50 years ago. This would be such a cool plotline to throw in at some point in the future though with some random medicine cat (from WindClan or RiverClna preferably), obviously not right now in TBC since it wouldn’t be believable because StarClan is gone, but maybe in arc 8? An evil medicine cat, or just one using some of their power with the position in a morally ambiguous way like this would be great to see.
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Brokenstar
Conquer Windclan! Train kits too early! Muahahahahaha!!!
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Post by Brokenstar on Sept 5, 2020 16:12:33 GMT -5
You know what? You've convinced me. But I hate that part of the code! It could have been, "A medicine cat cannot have a mate or kits unless there is at least one other cat in the clan trained in basic medicine and delivering kits". Yeah, it’s kind of a dumb rule. If there was some sort of valid reason for it, okay, whatever, but as it stands it doesn’t even make much sense for the rule to exist because it’s only there because one cat couldn’t handle being a mom and a medicine cat like 50 years ago. This would be such a cool plotline to throw in at some point in the future though with some random medicine cat (from WindClan or RiverClna preferably), obviously not right now in TBC since it wouldn’t be believable because StarClan is gone, but maybe in arc 8? An evil medicine cat, or just one using some of their power with the position in a morally ambiguous way like this would be great to see. That reminds me of a fanfic idea I had, where a medicine cat pretended to have gotten a dream from Starclan and became the leader and medicine cat of a clan, but they were fairly evil and power hungry.
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