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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 7, 2020 9:44:10 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on it?
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Post by Pineclaw on Aug 7, 2020 10:01:48 GMT -5
I'd like to say that I don't mind it but then again I found Twigbranch's clanhopping to be very annoying. It depends on the clanhopper's reason, I guess? Graystripe and Tawnypelt, for example, I didn't mind at all. As for Dovewing, well... if I can excuse Gray and Tawny I probably shouldn't complain about her too much. In Code of the Clans it was said that any cat can leave their clan if they don't think they can be loyal to it any more. Or something like that. So it's not exactly forbidden. As long as they understand that they have to earn their new clan's trust and that they can no longer visit their old clan's territory as they please I don't really see anything wrong with it. So sure, cats should be able to switch clans but they shouldn't be offended and act like a victim if their new clan questions their loyalty and if their old clan feels betrayed.
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Post by Oceanmist97 on Aug 7, 2020 10:31:28 GMT -5
I don't mind it at all. I like the drama that it causes. Tawnypelt is a great example of clan-hopping done correctly; Dovewing, on the other hand, not so much. But I still like the concept.
I wish we had more cats that defected from their Clans, either to another Clan or to become a loner/kittypet. Not every cat born in the Clans should have to love the lifestyle.
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Post by Hollyfall on Aug 7, 2020 10:48:58 GMT -5
I'm not really a fan of it and I don't think you should be doing it. You're expected to be loyal to your own clan above all else. Switching your Clan just tell me you didn't value it or your Clanmates enough nor the oath you promised to uphold. If your loyalty to your own birth Clan isn't valued, how can your dedication to your new Clan be trusted or accepted?
I do suppose it's more of a case-by-case basis and their reasoning for me though. Tawnypelt switching was understandable since she was getting bullied for her father's deeds, and Graystripe didn't switch for his own happiness; he switched so he could try and be a better father to his kids, but he did return to ThunderClan later and made the effort to make sure everyone knew he was loyal. I understand why Dovewing swapped, but I'm not the biggest fan of how she went about it, expected things to be alright with ThunderClan, and got hurt when they considered her a traitor. In cases like Mothwing, Icewing, and Harelight joining ShadowClan though, I don't mind at all since Mistystar was being very unfair, and the three of them were just outright exiled, so they didn't exactly "switch" Clans.
tl;dr: I dislike it and cats shouldn't really be switching Clans. Stay loyal to your birth Clan please and avoid all the drama.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Aug 7, 2020 10:59:49 GMT -5
It is kinda ish 4 me. Emotional ClanHopping is ok with me but romantic clhpping is NOT OK
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 11:36:02 GMT -5
I think it depends on the situation. Like if someone just wants to change clans, because they no longer like the taste of rabbit, and want to try fish, then I don't think they should be allowed to change clans for that.
However, if they're in danger in their own clan, then they should be allowed to change clans. If they end up being in a relationship with a cat from another clan, then they should be allowed to join their mate's clan. That way, they won't be sneaking around, leaving their scent on each other's territory, causing arguments and even battles. Another case where I think it would be okay for someone to change clans, is the Twigbranch situation.
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Post by ✨ nissabug ✨ on Aug 7, 2020 13:49:34 GMT -5
I mean you don’t really owe your birth clan loyalty, you were just born there It’s like if something happened in your family that made you estrange yourself from them, or maybe your spouse’s family treats you better than your own lol The cats we’ve seen hopping, to me, have had good reasons to do so. deciding between loyalty to family vs people that raised/loved you is hard As long as someone does it do it for a stupid reason like previously mentioned lol
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Aug 7, 2020 13:52:00 GMT -5
I have no problem with it. I feel like cats should be able to choose where they want to live.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 7, 2020 13:55:23 GMT -5
i think it needs to be justified by a serious reason. i'm actually okay with Dovewing swapping, because it seemed the most responsible thing to do in her situation (despite disliking her romance or initial flight). tawnypelt felt compelled to leave because she was certain her clan didn't want her. makes sense to me. she really felt like she had no other choice if she wanted to be respected. graystripe's decision is obvious out of love for his children. additionally, his return to thunderclan wasn't actually his choice-- leopardstar kicked him out of riverclan. i am certain he would have stayed with his kits given the choice. even violentshine's makes sense because she was never made to fit in and grew up in a very broken community, so leaving for the stability and love offered by her father's clan seems reasonable.
twigbranch's clanhopping seems the most superficial to me. despite growing up in TC and feeling totally integrated into the community, she felt some weird obligation to abandon it just because her parents were from SkC. okay. but then she changes her mind and TC accepts her back as if she never left. it felt inconsistent with the cross-clan hostilities, i think cats should have distrusted her intentions more. and swapping around because of some vague feeling of what felt most comfy just came off as shallowly motivated.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 7, 2020 14:59:27 GMT -5
i don't like it. the only reason to switch clans is if you chose a mate from another clan and are forced to move in order to be with them like dovewing. as much as dovewing sucks and was rude to her former thunderclan clanmates, she at least is now a loyal shadowclan cat and everything.
twigbranch was relatively young and had everything put onto her at once. she was raised in thunderclan but she finds out her biological family is skyclan. i get why she clan hopped, but it was pretty pointless, and it's clear her actual loyalty was always going to be the clan that raised her. violetshine's different because shadowclan SUCKED for her and she'd rather be in a stable clan.
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Post by Fireleap on Aug 7, 2020 15:53:25 GMT -5
If they have a good reason, I don't have a problem with clanhopping. That being said, they way they wrote Dovewing's and Twigbranch's clanhopping really annoyed me and I think it could have been done better.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 7, 2020 17:06:07 GMT -5
I'm mostly okay with it
Tawnypelt made a lot of sense. I know some people said Bramble put up with the awful treatment, so she should too, but that's ridiculous. She's not obligated to put up with poor treatment because her brother is willing to bend over backwards and do flips on command to prove himself.
Graystripe had his kits.
I forgive Twigbranch because I imagine how confusing it was for her. Violetshine had similar circumstances.
As for Dovewing? Well, if she'd changed clans much sooner, I wouldn't have minded, but instead she drug out forbidden romance 5ever and made her transition painful.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 7, 2020 19:42:35 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about Clan-hopping, but I don't really mind it as long as the hopping is really, really, needed.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 7, 2020 19:45:33 GMT -5
Depends. Either I don't mind it like Tawny and Gray. Or they're annoying even though they had good reason like Twig. Or they're annoying and dragged out unnecessarily like Dovewing.
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Post by Vale on Aug 8, 2020 13:01:12 GMT -5
So far I think the majority of the clan-hopping has been for a good reason. My least favorite times are when a cat goes to one clan, only to return to their original clan. It's probably realistic though and is bound to happen sometime, as in Greystripe's case he discovered Riverclan wasn't truly his home despite trying to do what he thought was the best for his kits but it always feels... I'm not sure, like a cop-out to a degree? Maybe it's just because I love things being shaken up and returning to the old bores me slightly despite it being a good part of a character's development as they realize where they belong.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 8, 2020 13:04:10 GMT -5
So far I think the majority of the clan-hopping has been for a good reason. My least favorite times are when a cat goes to one clan, only to return to their original clan. It's probably realistic though and is bound to happen sometime, as in Greystripe's case he discovered Riverclan wasn't truly his home despite trying to do what he thought was the best for his kits but it always feels... I'm not sure, like a cop-out to a degree? Maybe it's just because I love things being shaken up and returning to the old bores me slightly despite it being a good part of a character's development as they realize where they belong. Graystripe didn't really have much of a choice, though. He missed ThunderClan, but literally the only reason he returned was because he was exiled by Leopardstar after he saved Fireheart from her and was branded as a traitor because of it.
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Post by Vale on Aug 8, 2020 13:36:57 GMT -5
Graystripe didn't really have much of a choice, though. He missed ThunderClan, but literally the only reason he returned was because he was exiled by Leopardstar after he saved Fireheart from her and was branded as a traitor because of it. True, but in Rising Storm he hints to Bluestar he wants to return to Thunderclan despite his kits and choice but she refuses him. He tries to be loyal to Riverclan but realizes that aside from his kits and that it was Silverstream's clan, that he actually has no loyalty there which is what causes him to try and protect his friend and gets him kicked out as it was the last straw. Don't get me wrong, he had no choice in the matter in the end but all his actions after going to Riverclan show him as wanting to return but also wanting to do what he considered the "right thing" - moving with his kits so he can be with them while stopping a clan war. He tried to be loyal but proved through his actions where his heart belonged, so Leoparstar made the choice for him as she thought (perhaps correctly, we'll never know) he would continue to betray them until he finally made the choice to go.
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