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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 23:08:15 GMT -5
i think its handled better than most redemptions. i used to hate leafpool, but shes one of my favorites now BECAUSE she learned from her mistakes. leafpool has always owned up to her actions, continued to love her kits even tho they rejected her time and time again, and never held any grudge against anyone. shes such a sweetheart. she stood up to starclan when they warning she may not have a place on starclan, and that moment reminded me a little bit of squirrelflight when she stood up for herself. she was willing to sacrifice her place so her sister can be in starclan. how can anyone hate this gal? shes a good girl, and clearly learned from her mistakes. i dont understand why ppl want her to suffer so much.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 2, 2020 1:05:09 GMT -5
Did Leafpool have... a redemption? She was never evil.
I honestly don't think any aspect of Leafpool's character is written well, ngl. She was a POV solely as a camera in the first half of TNP, her romance was rushed, her personality was incredibly inconsistent, she's the victim of show-don't-tell, and the way other cats treat her / talk about her doesn't make sense in a lot of cases. That's not to say I hate her, I actually really like her, I just feel like she's whatever the authors need her to be at any given point.
I do wish she hadn't gotten her MC position back though.
I feel like "redemption" implies the character was evil or at the very least did something bad. With Leafpool, the bad thing was... breaking the law. It's not like she killed anyone (Blackstar) or caused a battle (Ivypaw) or openly humiliated her family (Hollyleaf). I don't feel like breaking the law that says you can't fall in love is an inherently bad thing that a character needs to be "redeemed" from. It's hard to explain and I'm not doing a very good job of it, but basically, Leafpool's situation isn't repeatable for her, so "learning from her mistakes" is a little silly. She paid/repented for her actions, sure, but that's not a redemption, that's atonement. She never needed to be redeemed, she was never bad. Boy, this is a clustercuss of a paragraph, don't mind me.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 2, 2020 1:12:00 GMT -5
going off of what skypaw said, redemption is a word for an evil/antagonistic character who changes.
i think what leafpool went through was forgiveness. it was up to jay, lion, and holly to forgive leafpool. even i admit she didn't really "do" things to "Earn" their forgiveness, but that's literally in her character (to be passive) and people can like or dislike that fact as they see fit.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 2, 2020 1:21:48 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure if redemption would be the right word here, but she had to earn forgiveness regardless, which I think was at least handled decently.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 2, 2020 1:23:47 GMT -5
Redemption would imply she was evil/antagonistic to begin with. xP We really need to stop using the word for non-bad characters. The right term would be forgiveness, which... eh, she didn't really do anything to "earn" it tbh, but she is passive compared to her sis so not surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 9:25:39 GMT -5
no need to tell me about the redemption thing anymore. i understand that i made a mistake. dont need 10 ppl telling me x.x
edit: alright ppl, u really dont need to repeat yourselves about the redemption...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 10:29:09 GMT -5
i'm going to agree with most of the people in this thread, but did leafpool even do anything to consider being "redeemed" to begin with? redemption arcs generally are for characters who have done some pretty derogatory shit, like iunno off the top of my head a contraversial example would be breezepelt and his attempted war crimes... but leafpool did nothing on that level
that said, leafpool didn't get redeemed nor did she have some sort of arc surrounding it, it was more or less four books of her being bullied by her children and alderhearting in the warriors den. i have no special liking for leafpool, in fact leafpool's wish and the forgotten warrior made me hate her much more than i would have if those books had less of leafpool being a total drama-queen, and her being a generic medicine cat that the authors use at times to visually show something happening.
i really dislike leafpool, so that's my mediocre take on her getting redeemed
edit: two seconds after posting i just realised i am beating a dead horse. sorry OP lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 10:37:43 GMT -5
i'm going to agree with most of the people in this thread, but did leafpool even do anything to consider being "redeemed" to begin with? redemption arcs generally are for characters who have done some pretty derogatory shit, like iunno off the top of my head a contraversial example would be breezepelt and his attempted war crimes... but leafpool did nothing on that level that said, leafpool didn't get redeemed nor did she have some sort of arc surrounding it, it was more or less four books of her being bullied by her children and alderhearting in the warriors den. i have no special liking for leafpool, in fact leafpool's wish and the forgotten warrior made me hate her much more than i would have if those books had less of leafpool being a total drama-queen, and her being a generic medicine cat that the authors use at times to visually show something happening. i really dislike leafpool, so that's my mediocre take on her getting redeemed edit: two seconds after posting i just realised i am beating a dead horse. sorry OP lol dont worry about it x.x im not annoyed, but ppl dont need to repeat themselves over and over again about something thats been answered with the same thing. its not necessary, lol. no hard feelings.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 2, 2020 19:31:50 GMT -5
Her character was completely well written, imo.
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