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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 30, 2020 17:45:08 GMT -5
i haven't read her SE, but i have read wiki pages about several characters and the SE itself and uhh
I really reaaally hate Moth Flight
she's the most selfish medicine cat the series has ever seen. i don't like her or her relationship with micah. she basically ruined acorn fur and red claw's lives, and ruined the lives of future medicine cats... all because SHE ALONE couldn't handle anything!
and screw half moon too. she encouraged the medicine cat rule too!
im just wonder who the heck would even take that vow? who would listen to that rule? did starclan really just peer pressure all the first medicine cats to take the vow? but for what reason? not everyone is as selfish and incompetent as moth flight! super unfair!
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Post by Earthweave on Jul 30, 2020 17:48:52 GMT -5
I liked her in DotC respectively but I didn't enjoy her SE. Mothflight's Vision is the only book I've dropped so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 17:52:26 GMT -5
STRONG dislike. Moth Flight is the type to be like, "If I can't have something, then NO ONE can! I'm miserable, and I need to bring everyone down as well." Not only did she make it where Red Claw (my absolute favorite cat from DOTC) and Acorn Fur couldn't have kits, but she also partially killed off Jackdaw's Cry and Hawk Swoop's bloodline. I really hope that Lightning Tail had kits before he got killed by dogs, because Jackdaw's Cry and Hawk Swoop were two of the best cats in DOTC. Jackdaw's Cry helped discover tunneling, he was super intelligent, Hawk Swoop was super kind and caring, I really want their bloodline to live on.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 30, 2020 17:54:50 GMT -5
Her SE is fine and I liked her until the very end, by that point I dislike her because the last chapter is where she does the stupid rule thing and ruin cats lives. Her relationship with Micah was good while it lasted.
HATE HER outside that SE tho. SqH made me wish she faded from existence. I went from liking her to hating so so fast.
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Post by Fireleap on Jul 30, 2020 17:58:20 GMT -5
I dislike her. Her book was fine, but she's just such an annoying character to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 17:59:27 GMT -5
Dislike.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 30, 2020 18:11:40 GMT -5
SqH made me want to yeet her into the moonpool and let her drown.
YOu brOKe mY RuLE
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 30, 2020 18:14:26 GMT -5
SqH made me want to yeet her into the moonpool and let her drown. YOu brOKe mY RuLE she's just mad leafpool could do what she couldnt....majority of the time, leafpool was able to do her duties without worrying too much for her biological kits.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 30, 2020 18:21:03 GMT -5
She was a decent cat at first but at the end of her SE I hated that "Micah I used to love you but now I'll give up your kits because of some stupid realization" vibe. Moth Hypocrite
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 18:33:50 GMT -5
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 30, 2020 18:35:39 GMT -5
ChickenEVERYONES GONNA BE MAAAAAD
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 18:38:09 GMT -5
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 30, 2020 18:39:31 GMT -5
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 30, 2020 18:40:02 GMT -5
She was a decent cat at first but at the end of her SE I hated that "Micah I used to love you but now I'll give up your kits because of some stupid realization" vibe. Moth Hypocrite she's the biggest hypocrite in the entire series for me. i just...i cant stand her and what she's done.
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Post by Cloverƒall on Jul 30, 2020 18:53:55 GMT -5
"I'm too irresponsible and young to take care of these children I had on accident, so it makes perfect sense if I ruin the future lives of medicine cats who probably are a lot more responsible by making a law against them having children at all!"
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 30, 2020 18:56:09 GMT -5
Gee, a teenager with ADD had trouble balancing between her medicine cat duties and being a mother, who would have thought?
I liked her enough in MFV, but her appearances aside from that? Dislike.
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#add8e6
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jul 30, 2020 19:34:16 GMT -5
I feel like I'm one of the few who like her despite her super edition.
Her relationship with Micah was adorable, and it's one of my favorite ships. (: The thing I didn't like was that she separated her kits since she couldn't take care of them and her clan.
As for making it as so no other medicine cats can have kits, it's annoying, yeah, but it's understandable why the rule exists. Being a medicine cat is a very important job, and the clan depends on him/her since he/she is the only medicine cat for the clan (if he/she doesn't have an apprentice). Adding a mate and kits to that makes things a bit more difficult. Not every clan has permanent queens to take care of kits.
As for Moth Flight's actions in Squirrelflight's Hope, she did have a right to be mad at Leafpool. Even though Leafpool was given crappy advice, she still left the clans with Crowfeather and had kits. Then handed them off to Squirrelflight, who was pressured by StarClan. Leafpool and Crowfeather's rule-breaking hurt other cats.
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Asexual
#07B04C
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 30, 2020 19:34:22 GMT -5
Neutral/dislike, Moth Flight very annoying and a hypocrite, but I liked her outside her POV
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 30, 2020 20:53:53 GMT -5
This got unintentionally long. Neutral, same with her SE. I do however feel like people are being a bit too harsh on her. Moth Flight was basically a teen mom when she had her kits, and when she did leave them with someone, they always wanted to be with her. The entire reason Spider Paw nearly drowned was because Slate wasn't watching them and he and his littermates were trying to find her.
She's a medicine cat, the first one, and-ideally-was supposed to know what to do. Instead, she panicked until Micah comforted her. She feels less confident in her abilities as both a medicine cat and mother and feels like it's for the best if her kits were raised by someone else. As for separating them, recall that this happens:
Her own mate's words also contributed to her decision. And there's never any indication that she's lying, either, otherwise it would've been mentioned in either her thoughts or the narration itself.
Throughout the story, we also actually see her get briefly distracted by her kits on occasion, in part because of her ADD. And clearly she made the rule because she was worried of others going through the same thing she did—that's how most rules get made, by experience. Maybe hers was an isolated case, but she clearly wasn't willing to take that risk.
I also feel like it's worth mentioning that final chapter is mostly just StarClan supporting her suggestion.
As for her saying this:
Well, first of all, Leafpool did break her rule, let's just not gloss over that. And again, she had StarClan's blessing when she made it—StarClan, who are supposed to be seen as wise and all-knowing. She was harsh on Leafpool, certainly, but I'm also not surprised, and it's entirely possible she developed a bit of an ego because of it.
Of course Leafpool and Yellowfang were able to handle it, but then again, they also had to hide for a good portion of their kits' lives; Yellowfang didn't even confess to anyone that she was Brokenstar's mother until he was blinded and captured. But what if they hadn't? Or better yet, what if Moth Flight hadn't had ADD or what if some other medicine cat became the first one to have kits? Obviously we'll never know, but it's still interesting to think about nonetheless.
Also, I think we can all agree that the entire trial—while interesting—was still really stupid, and it seems pretty clear that Kate and the editors forgot that not only was it stated that the Three's births were predestined long before StarClan even came into being (unless I'm misinterpreting the part where Moth Flight says that StarClan chose te Three), but that Squirrelflight was also pressured into taking her sister's kits by her own ancestors. But this is Warriors, so what else is new?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 21:38:50 GMT -5
This got unintentionally long. Neutral, same with her SE. I do however feel like people are being a bit too harsh on her. Moth Flight was basically a teen mom when she had her kits, and when she did leave them with someone, they always wanted to be with her. The entire reason Spider Paw nearly drowned was because Slate wasn't watching them and he and his littermates were trying to find her.
She's a medicine cat, the first one, and-ideally-was supposed to know what to do. Instead, she panicked until Micah comforted her. She feels less confident in her abilities as both a medicine cat and mother and feels like it's for the best if her kits were raised by someone else. As for separating them, recall that this happens:
Her own mate's words also contributed to her decision. And there's never any indication that she's lying, either, otherwise it would've been mentioned in either her thoughts or the narration itself.
Throughout the story, we also actually see her get briefly distracted by her kits on occasion, in part because of her ADD. And clearly she made the rule because she was worried of others going through the same thing she did—that's how most rules get made, by experience. Maybe hers was an isolated case, but she clearly wasn't willing to take that risk.
I also feel like it's worth mentioning that final chapter is mostly just StarClan supporting her suggestion.
As for her saying this:
Well, first of all, Leafpool did break her rule, let's just not gloss over that. And again, she had StarClan's blessing when she made it—StarClan, who are supposed to be seen as wise and all-knowing. She was harsh on Leafpool, certainly, but I'm also not surprised, and it's entirely possible she developed a bit of an ego because of it.
Of course Leafpool and Yellowfang were able to handle it, but then again, they also had to hide for a good portion of their kits' lives; Yellowfang didn't even confess to anyone that she was Brokenstar's mother until he was blinded and captured. But what if they hadn't? Or better yet, what if Moth Flight hadn't had ADD or what if some other medicine cat became the first one to have kits? Obviously we'll never know, but it's still interesting to think about nonetheless.
Also, I think we can all agree that the entire trial—while interesting—was still really stupid, and it seems pretty clear that Kate and the editors forgot that not only was it stated that the Three's births were predestined long before StarClan even came into being (unless I'm misinterpreting the part where Moth Flight says that StarClan chose te Three), but that Squirrelflight was also pressured into taking her sister's kits by her own ancestors. But this is Warriors, so what else is new? Do you have a defense for the Acorn Fur argument? The quotes from that SE just make me feel even more sympathy for Acorn Fur and Red Claw like OP mentioned. Their lives essentially got derailed because of Moth Flight.
I think people were trying to point out how Moth Flight generalized every single medicine cat based off of her experiences alone, as if they would be universal through out all time. Acorn Fur MIGHT have been different, but we'll never know.
Half Moon bringing up fatherhood for male meicine cats doesn't have the same impact as their argument of "a mother cannot ever ignore the cries of their kits no matter how hard they try." This whole medicine cat thing in general is pretty sexist for both toms and queens.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 30, 2020 22:10:30 GMT -5
This got unintentionally long. Neutral, same with her SE. I do however feel like people are being a bit too harsh on her. Moth Flight was basically a teen mom when she had her kits, and when she did leave them with someone, they always wanted to be with her. The entire reason Spider Paw nearly drowned was because Slate wasn't watching them and he and his littermates were trying to find her.
She's a medicine cat, the first one, and-ideally-was supposed to know what to do. Instead, she panicked until Micah comforted her. She feels less confident in her abilities as both a medicine cat and mother and feels like it's for the best if her kits were raised by someone else. As for separating them, recall that this happens:
Her own mate's words also contributed to her decision. And there's never any indication that she's lying, either, otherwise it would've been mentioned in either her thoughts or the narration itself.
Throughout the story, we also actually see her get briefly distracted by her kits on occasion, in part because of her ADD. And clearly she made the rule because she was worried of others going through the same thing she did—that's how most rules get made, by experience. Maybe hers was an isolated case, but she clearly wasn't willing to take that risk.
I also feel like it's worth mentioning that final chapter is mostly just StarClan supporting her suggestion.
As for her saying this:
Well, first of all, Leafpool did break her rule, let's just not gloss over that. And again, she had StarClan's blessing when she made it—StarClan, who are supposed to be seen as wise and all-knowing. She was harsh on Leafpool, certainly, but I'm also not surprised, and it's entirely possible she developed a bit of an ego because of it.
Of course Leafpool and Yellowfang were able to handle it, but then again, they also had to hide for a good portion of their kits' lives; Yellowfang didn't even confess to anyone that she was Brokenstar's mother until he was blinded and captured. But what if they hadn't? Or better yet, what if Moth Flight hadn't had ADD or what if some other medicine cat became the first one to have kits? Obviously we'll never know, but it's still interesting to think about nonetheless.
Also, I think we can all agree that the entire trial—while interesting—was still really stupid, and it seems pretty clear that Kate and the editors forgot that not only was it stated that the Three's births were predestined long before StarClan even came into being (unless I'm misinterpreting the part where Moth Flight says that StarClan chose te Three), but that Squirrelflight was also pressured into taking her sister's kits by her own ancestors. But this is Warriors, so what else is new? Do you have a defense for the Acorn Fur argument? The quotes from that SE just make me feel even more sympathy for Acorn Fur and Red Claw like OP mentioned. Their lives essentially got derailed because of Moth Flight.
I think people were trying to point out how Moth Flight generalized every single medicine cat based off of her experiences alone, as if they would be universal through out all time. Acorn Fur MIGHT have been different, but we'll never know.
Half Moon bringing up fatherhood for male meicine cats doesn't have the same impact as their argument of "a mother cannot ever ignore the cries of their kits no matter how hard they try." This whole medicine cat thing in general is pretty sexist for both toms and queens.
And I'm not arguing against that at all. Was it wrong? Yes. But do I understand where Moth Flight is coming from? Also yes. I already explained why the generalization was made, and I can pity Acorn Fur and all the other medicine cats who fell in love while still seeing things from Moth Flight's PoV (quite frankly, I actually believe that she and Red Claw became mates in secret anyway). As I've said, I've wondered what would've happened if things had been different, but we'll never know and that's what makes this all so tragic for everyone.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 30, 2020 22:20:50 GMT -5
I personally don't mind the no kits rule for medicine cats, it doesn't bother me. Moth Flight doesn't bother me much either, but I don't lean toward either side much with her. I felt like there were much more unlikable cats around her tbh, so I'm just neutral. Honestly, I was more interested in Sun Shadow as a character over her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 10:47:19 GMT -5
i dont think u should rely on the wiki. it isnt 100% accurate. i havent read her super edition either but i plan to eventually. read the book before u judge a character imo. opinions and "information" on other sites arent always tru.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 31, 2020 11:17:45 GMT -5
i dont think u should rely on the wiki. it isnt 100% accurate. i havent read her super edition either but i plan to eventually. read the book before u judge a character imo. opinions and "information" on other sites arent always tru. i do trust the wiki though. i know some people who work on there and they're trustworthy. idk why people say this about the wiki.
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Post by halogen on Jul 31, 2020 21:12:49 GMT -5
From that excerpt, it really seems like StarClan was responsible for insisting this rule applies to everyone, and Moth Flight was just supporting StarClan because she believes in them and because her experience happened to match up with what the warrior ancestors she worshipped were already suggesting.
As for how she acts in SqH, I've seen a lot of fans separate how other characters act when they are alive vs. their annoying and often out-of-characterr StarClan selves (Yellowfang, Bluestar, etc.), so why don't people do the same with Moth Flight?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 31, 2020 22:12:40 GMT -5
i dont think u should rely on the wiki. it isnt 100% accurate. i havent read her super edition either but i plan to eventually. read the book before u judge a character imo. opinions and "information" on other sites arent always tru. i do trust the wiki though. i know some people who work on there and they're trustworthy. idk why people say this about the wiki. It's probably because it simply has "wiki" in it. And people automatically think it's an untrustworthy source. There was also that whole incident with you know who, a couple of years ago.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 31, 2020 22:21:21 GMT -5
i do trust the wiki though. i know some people who work on there and they're trustworthy. idk why people say this about the wiki. It's probably because it simply has "wiki" in it. And people automatically think it's an untrustworthy source. There was also that whole incident with you know who, a couple of years ago. i dont know what incident it was, but i understand why people have a view about wiki
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 1:08:15 GMT -5
her rule was stupid, her love with micah was shallow, and shes ungodly annoying in sqh. strong dislike
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 11:10:45 GMT -5
i like moth flight a lot, but the last chapter of her super edition completely ruined it for me. she all of the sudden proclaims that because she alone isn't happy, noone can be!
having moth flight be the first medicine cat was enough, and dotc adding that felt like a total red herring, adding lore that never needed to be added. the newer books have also gotten into an annoying habit of bringing dotc characters back in starclan, like way after they should have faded away if that's still something that happened.
moth flight (and going on a tangent too, micah) shouldn't be randomly inserted into the modern world. moth flight made an appearance in tallstar's revenge if i remember correctly, and that one was a little more in-character for her for a cat who left the clan to figure things out about themselves. but my issue is her appearance in SqH. i hate the idea of dotc era cats, or even extend that to the megalomaniacal arc one cats who took squilf to (lol) StarCourt. she gets flipped into a cat who levies decisive judgement based on her own life experiences, and just something i never would have thought she would do
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