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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:39:07 GMT -5
These guys are both kind of aggressive deputies, who died before their times, who, at times, didn't show their leaders the most respect, but in the end were still pretty alright cats. Who do you like better?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 29, 2020 14:41:09 GMT -5
funny enough, i liked both of them. even in skyclan's destiny, i agreed with sharpclaw over leafstar, when the book tried so hard to make sharpclaw the wrong one and a sort of antagonistic figure for leafstar in their daylight warrior issue...
as far as i know, people don't hate sharpclaw like they hate mudclaw, but they're both strong willed and aggressive deputies who were just doing their jobs according to the code and loyalty to their clans at large.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:42:56 GMT -5
funny enough, i liked both of them. even in skyclan's destiny, i agreed with sharpclaw over leafstar, when the book tried so hard to make sharpclaw the wrong one and a sort of antagonistic figure for leafstar in their daylight warrior issue... as far as i know, people don't hate sharpclaw like they hate mudclaw, but they're both strong willed and aggressive deputies who were just doing their jobs according to the code and loyalty to their clans at large. People like Sharpclaw?
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 14:42:56 GMT -5
I personally like Mudclaw better but if Sharpclaw can father one of my favorite SkyClan cats, Mudclaw is no competition whatsoever (unless he had a mate and kits)
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 14:43:41 GMT -5
funny enough, i liked both of them. even in skyclan's destiny, i agreed with sharpclaw over leafstar, when the book tried so hard to make sharpclaw the wrong one and a sort of antagonistic figure for leafstar in their daylight warrior issue... as far as i know, people don't hate sharpclaw like they hate mudclaw, but they're both strong willed and aggressive deputies who were just doing their jobs according to the code and loyalty to their clans at large. People like Sharpclaw? Yes they do >___________________________<
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 29, 2020 14:44:16 GMT -5
funny enough, i liked both of them. even in skyclan's destiny, i agreed with sharpclaw over leafstar, when the book tried so hard to make sharpclaw the wrong one and a sort of antagonistic figure for leafstar in their daylight warrior issue... as far as i know, people don't hate sharpclaw like they hate mudclaw, but they're both strong willed and aggressive deputies who were just doing their jobs according to the code and loyalty to their clans at large. People like Sharpclaw? idk how much he's liked or disliked, but in my mind, he isn't disliked as much or openly as mudclaw, that's for sure. maybe its just because people don't talk about sharpclaw, so i wouldnt know lol
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 29, 2020 14:44:37 GMT -5
Sharpclaw never sunk to the depths of treachery that Mudclaw did, that automatically gives him the win here. He's aggressive and stubborn, but he's no yellow-bellied traitor either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:46:25 GMT -5
idk how much he's liked or disliked, but in my mind, he isn't disliked as much or openly as mudclaw, that's for sure. maybe its just because people don't talk about sharpclaw, so i wouldnt know lol Oh yeah, that makes sense. Sharpclaw irritated me so much in just about every scene that he was in, but I like how in the end, he was apparently just trying to help out Leafstar in his own way I guess? But I don't see why he had to be so rude to the Daylight Warriors. I think Cherrytail was worse though, she was super rude to the Daylight warriors, and she bullied Shrewtooth. Hawkwing sure did get the golden ticket of parents.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 29, 2020 14:50:45 GMT -5
idk how much he's liked or disliked, but in my mind, he isn't disliked as much or openly as mudclaw, that's for sure. maybe its just because people don't talk about sharpclaw, so i wouldnt know lol Oh yeah, that makes sense. Sharpclaw irritated me so much in just about every scene that he was in, but I like how in the end, he was apparently just trying to help out Leafstar in his own way I guess? But I don't see why he had to be so rude to the Daylight Warriors. I think Cherrytail was worse though, she was super rude to the Daylight warriors, and she bullied Shrewtooth. Hawkwing sure did get the golden ticket of parents. i hated the daylight warriors, so of course i liked sharpclaw lmao no wonder sharpxcherry happened lmao
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 14:52:48 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Sharpclaw irritated me so much in just about every scene that he was in, but I like how in the end, he was apparently just trying to help out Leafstar in his own way I guess? But I don't see why he had to be so rude to the Daylight Warriors. I think Cherrytail was worse though, she was super rude to the Daylight warriors, and she bullied Shrewtooth. Hawkwing sure did get the golden ticket of parents. i hated the daylight warriors, so of course i liked sharpclaw lmao no wonder sharpxcherry happened lmao lmao my whole life cuz of dat lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:54:05 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Sharpclaw irritated me so much in just about every scene that he was in, but I like how in the end, he was apparently just trying to help out Leafstar in his own way I guess? But I don't see why he had to be so rude to the Daylight Warriors. I think Cherrytail was worse though, she was super rude to the Daylight warriors, and she bullied Shrewtooth. Hawkwing sure did get the golden ticket of parents. i hated the daylight warriors, so of course i liked sharpclaw lmao no wonder sharpxcherry happened lmao True haha. I've always been on the side of the daylight warriors, the other warriors just seemed so unnecessarily hostile.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 14:55:39 GMT -5
i hated the daylight warriors, so of course i liked sharpclaw lmao no wonder sharpxcherry happened lmao True haha. I've always been on the side of the daylight warriors, the other warriors just seemed so unnecessarily hostile. Now I am torn between human nature and the warrior code...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:56:42 GMT -5
True haha. I've always been on the side of the daylight warriors, the other warriors just seemed so unnecessarily hostile. Now I am torn between human nature and the warrior code... Why?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:57:32 GMT -5
Sharpclaw by far. Mudclaw literally conspired with an enemy Clan to attack/overthrow his own Clanmates, promising to make Hawkfrost, a RiverClan cat his deputy afterward. He was justified at first but at that point he was straight up a traitor. Sharpclaw was kind of douchey but he shaped up in the end and was a competent deputy. There's no contest imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 15:00:33 GMT -5
Sharpclaw by far. Mudclaw literally conspired with an enemy Clan to attack/overthrow his own Clanmates, promising to make Hawkfrost, a RiverClan cat his deputy afterward. He was justified at first but at that point he was straight up a traitor. Sharpclaw was kind of douchey but he shaped up in the end and was a competent deputy. There's no contest imo. Your status....I'm dead XDXD
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 15:00:35 GMT -5
I respect Sharpclaw for not being a Brain-dead, yes-man deputy while still respecting his leader in a way. Mudclaw is just...eh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 15:02:40 GMT -5
Sharpclaw by far. Mudclaw literally conspired with an enemy Clan to attack/overthrow his own Clanmates, promising to make Hawkfrost, a RiverClan cat his deputy afterward. He was justified at first but at that point he was straight up a traitor. Sharpclaw was kind of douchey but he shaped up in the end and was a competent deputy. There's no contest imo. Your status....I'm dead XDXD F YEAHHHHHH MoOR RuNNin'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 15:04:10 GMT -5
Your status....I'm dead XDXD F YEAHHHHHH MoOR RuNNin' TUNNELING IS THE TRUE BEST!!!
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 15:06:05 GMT -5
TUNNELING IS THE TRUE BEST!!! Tunnel Runnin is best lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 15:08:15 GMT -5
TUNNELING IS THE TRUE BEST!!! Tunnel Runnin is best lol Haha yesss
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 16:21:10 GMT -5
Tunnel Runnin is best lol Haha yesss I didn't want to have any favorites so I went diplomatic mode and combined the two
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 16:45:23 GMT -5
i like them both, but i'd say if you pick one over the other it'd be mudclaw. as a deputy he fits more into the role, and you can see that he would obey Tallstar at any time. not that i'd say it is outlandish for him to voice his discontent, that much is true by default, but he was less inclined to actually overthrow his leader
i hold the opinion that he had every right to rebel against onestar, tho how he went about it is where his evil side came into fruition. like, he conspired with riverclan to re-take windclan and that's just as bad if not worse than Onestar's ties to thunderclan. sharpclaw is kind of a strange case to me, i don't really know how to judge him because he's extremely similar to mudclaw, like they have almost exactly the same personality, and the only way i might draw the borderline is where, say mudclaw treated crowfeather as an apprentice and how sharpclaw was as a father to hawkwing in the short time that we get to see that.
the first time i read skyclan's destiny though, and even earlier in firestar's quest, i kept waiting for the moment where he'd tigerclaw his way into Leafstar's den and stage a coup lol. that never ended up happening, but about the only thing which i remember did happen a lot was him completely stepping over Leafstar... that and the ending of the book was literally him saying "i don't respect your judgement, so that's why i am such a total **** this go-around!" where sharpclaw didn't go down in disgrace as the deputy who may or may not have hired an army of riverclan pundits to secure his leadership, he got a hero's death which took away a lot of the negative vibes i had of him when he got introduced. ultimately, like mudclaw he did a good job and is kinda suffered first-deputy syndrome (not as much for mudclaw since deadfoot was his predecessor).
side note, did mudclaw actually get struck down by starclan or was it supposed to be ambiguous, sort of like weather showing divine judgement and what not?
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 29, 2020 17:14:44 GMT -5
i always liked sharpclaw. he was ambitious, but it was tempered with good intentions rather than wanting power for its own sake. leafstar needed a deputy who would challenge her convictions, especially earlier in her leadership when she was a bit soft sometimes. they had a good dynamic. i think sharpclaw also mellowed out a little when he got older.
while i sympathize with mudclaw, i was never really given a reason to actively like him.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 29, 2020 17:41:18 GMT -5
Mudclaw, since I think he’s an interesting character and Sharpclaw just annoyed me.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 29, 2020 19:42:56 GMT -5
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 29, 2020 19:43:39 GMT -5
TUNNELING IS THE TRUE BEST!!! Tunnel Runnin is best lol How DARE you, moor running is obviously the best!!1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 19:58:25 GMT -5
Tunnel Runnin is best lol How DARE you, moor running is obviously the best!!1 Emberheart is Barkkitface
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 20:12:33 GMT -5
But back on topic of the thread, I had no idea Mudclaw wasn't that well liked, I thought like three or four people disliked him, but that was all.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 21:15:35 GMT -5
Tunnel Runnin is best lol How DARE you, moor running is obviously the best!!1 I was tryin to be diplomatic and not hurt anyone's opinions. Or do you think that Mooring sounds better????
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