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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Jul 21, 2020 12:37:43 GMT -5
Ashfur dropped his pigeon on the pile and turned to Graystripe with a sneer. “At least we have two fewer mouths to feed. I hope Firestar and Sandstorm are enjoying their kittypet treats.”
“Once a kittypet, always a kittypet,” Ashfur muttered. “If he were on an important mission, he wouldn’t have had to hide it from the rest of the Clan.”
I’m so peeved at these lines. I mean, what the heck?? It’s out of character for Ashfur to be disrespecting Firestar like that.
Watch, this entire book will be lamenting on how Ashfur was always a jerk, that it’s no wonder he turned evil, completely retconning his previous character development as a sweet tom before ..... because obviously villains in Warriors can’t be complex. xP i agree. we were never given reason to think ashfur was this way with authority before he became an incel about squirrelflight. it feels kinda cheap to me. in fact, it would make ashfur more interesting as a villain as we saw him as this loyal and sweet kid in his youth that had a fall from grace later on in life.
to me, in general these cats disrespecting firestar and graystripe like that feels really OOC. I feel like he was nice and sweet as a young warrior, just outspoken at times, like Leafpool said at the time of his death, and now they're doing him dirty cause he is the main villain by the time this book is being written
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 21, 2020 12:39:51 GMT -5
He threw Squirrelflight to the dogs, in what possible way does that endear him as being a good leader? Good for him that he realized what he did was wrong, but it takes more than that to be made deputy, nevermind leader. In what book did that happen The very second one in TBC, him and Berrynose worked together to usurp Squirrelflight and were the ones responsible for her exile.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 21, 2020 12:40:48 GMT -5
In what book did that happen The very second one in TBC, him and Berrynose worked together to usurp Squirrelflight and were the ones responsible for her exile. Its been a long time since I read TST plz dont hate me I forgot about that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 12:41:16 GMT -5
I am really excited for this book now! They have Nectarsong listed as a queen, Rainfur and Petalnose's bloodline is going to live on! I wonder who her mate is? I think it's awesome that they're giving more attention to the background characters, it's interesting, and I like that they confirmed some family relationships, like Willowpelt being Graystripe's mother, I wonder who his father is? And Frostfur and Ravenpaw being siblings, but Ravenpaw and Dustpelt weren't mentioned as siblings. Speaking of Dustpelt, it's cool how he and Brackenfur were best friends. It also seems like they might be hinting at Flywhisker x Flipclaw
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 21, 2020 12:42:07 GMT -5
I'm actually enjoying Ashfur's characterization here. Dustpelt was his mentor and is also his sister's mate at this point; I'd be more surprised if some of Dustpelt's opinions hadn't rubbed off on him. I also wouldn't say it's completely out of character for him to act this way since we see something similar after Daisy's kits ruined the medicine cat den, he just wasn't as aggressive about it like he is here. i do see that, and its not necessarily the fact that he thinks highly of his own mentor. but it doesnt really explain his hostility to graystripe and firestar. especially considering that dustpelt grew to respect both of them by the end of TPB. he has such a bad attitude here we never saw from him. the cats in FQ have no reason for suddenly doubting firestar's loyalty and dedication to his clan after he just lead all four in a victory against bloodclan. and they certainly have no reason to think that sandstorm, the most independent she-cat in canon, would randomly walk off with him to be a kittypet. thunderclan at the time had very strong belief in starclan and it certainly wasn't the first time firestar was sent away on a mission. there just seems no logic to me behind their ridicule. it feels contrived. cloudtail was always cheeky but i honestly have a hard time seeing him so blatantly tearing down his father figure and former mentor. in fact IIRC cloudtail in TPB (after his journey home) seemed to look up to firestar as a hero.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 21, 2020 12:44:04 GMT -5
Speaking of Dustpelt, it's cool how he and Brackenfur were best friends. It also seems like they might be hinting at Flywhisker x Flipclaw It is cool especially because Fandom always pose them as rivals. FlyxFlip would be interesting...
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 21, 2020 12:46:42 GMT -5
Time to read the actually preview. Lol, there is literally a cat named Gremlin. Actually, she has the same pelt colour as Ivytail of ShC. Snake? Barley's brother? He has a black-and-white pelt, so it could easily be him. In that case, I wonder where Ice is. They're... spying on Sandstorm and Firestar? Is... this supposed to hint at Ravenpaw's manga trilogy? Snake has blue eyes, just like Barley's brothers in the colorized version of the manga. And with him being BloodClan... oh, yeah. This is Barley's brother. There's no doubt about it. Gremlin is having kits? Hmm... Fury most likely killed Claw for leadership of BC it seems. So Gremlin has a brother named Scraps who is extremely excited for the battle, but Gremlin isn't enthused. I understand why. She's carrying kits, so she doesn't want to fight in fear of harming them. I kind of want to learn more of this cat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 12:48:05 GMT -5
Speaking of Dustpelt, it's cool how he and Brackenfur were best friends. It also seems like they might be hinting at Flywhisker x Flipclaw It is cool especially because Fandom always pose them as rivals. FlyxFlip would be interesting... Yeah, I wonder if they remember that Flywhisker is the sister of Flipclaw's father though?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 12:57:54 GMT -5
Other things I forgot to add. I think it's amusing how ShadowClan went from having no medicine cats for a short while in AVOS, to having three.
I wonder who Woodpaw's new mentor is? I think Slightfoot would be a cool choice, he hasn't had an apprentice yet, he was Harestar's apprentice, and he went to the secret rebel meeting with Smokehaze.
Curlfeather's kits seem like they've been kits for a long time, I wonder when they'll become apprentices, and who their mentors will be?
Speaking of kits, I wonder when ShadowClan will have more?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 13:01:56 GMT -5
Okay so, I can kind of get Grey not attacking Ashfur? But Cloudtail has the guts to talk shit about his own uncle, who was constantly sticking his neck out for him in TPB? Like he didn't even have to come save you from the Twolegs >.> If Greystripe wanted to thump anyone it should've been Clowntail.
Speaking of Greystripe, I don't remember him ever being so meek and indecisive? Like in the main arcs he's very adamant and eager to fight, help out, etc. Like when I think "such a pushover that the medicine cat has to come over and restore order" I don't think Greystripe.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 21, 2020 13:02:59 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Woodpaw's replacement is meant to be Leaftail, since she's under him. Maybe Harestar felt bad that she lost Smokehaze and promoted her to a warrior early lmao.
I did find it nice that we see more family relations remembered. Ravenpaw's sister is Frostfur (shame they didn't include Dustpelt), Graystripe knows Spotfur is Frostfur's great-granddaughter, and Graystripe acknowledges Stemleaf as his grandson as well as Thornclaw as more or less his son-in-law. Hell, even Lionblaze is considered kin with Sparkpelt and Flamepaw. If they could continue this, that would be swell.
Interesting they seem to be hinting at Flipclaw and Flywhisker as mates. Weird that Flipclaw is Flywhisker's nephew though.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 21, 2020 13:04:42 GMT -5
Speaking of Fury, I think there's at least a 50% chance she'll become the fandom's new favorite female villain to fawn over depending on how expansive her role is. I'm expecting her to overtake Sleekwhisker, and good riddance to that. The question is just who she'll be shipped with, but I can already imagine her being shipped with Gremlin if we're following the playbook.
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 21, 2020 13:05:23 GMT -5
Um, Graystripe. Only three TC cats were lost in VOS, unless the allegiances is just lying to us. At least they remembered that Stemleaf was Blossomfall's son. But to mention that Millie was dead as well. :c I mean, it was fairly obvious. But it's still sad. So she was growing weaker and sicker for half a moon before she died and Graystripe found comfort in knowing that she lived a long life. But for Stemleaf... Yeah, I'm sad now. Though it's noted that though Graystripe is sad that Stemleaf is dead, he's also proud of him. Bumblestripe is discussing the warrior code with Shellfur. I wonder what they could be saying. Poor Spotfur. I'm surprised that they remembered she was Frostfur's kin, though. So the shape of Spotfur's muzzle and the angle of her ears are just like that of Frostfur. And Lionblaze's golden tabby pelt reminds Graystripe of Sandstorm.
Okay then. That is the first in-universe mention of Ravenpaw being Frostfur's brother that we have gotten. I'm extremely happy at the moment. Also, it's nice to know that SkC told them about Ravenpaw. Though Bramblestar would've already known. So yes Graystripe, Ravenpaw is in StarClan.
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Post by Mau Furlong on Jul 21, 2020 13:12:21 GMT -5
WHy is there 2 different allegiances??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 13:13:10 GMT -5
WHy is there 2 different allegiances?? Some scenes in the book are from the present, and some are from the past.
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Post by Sundance on Jul 21, 2020 13:13:41 GMT -5
Ashfur dropped his pigeon on the pile and turned to Graystripe with a sneer. “At least we have two fewer mouths to feed. I hope Firestar and Sandstorm are enjoying their kittypet treats.”
“Once a kittypet, always a kittypet,” Ashfur muttered. “If he were on an important mission, he wouldn’t have had to hide it from the rest of the Clan.”
I’m so peeved at these lines. I mean, what the heck?? It’s out of character for Ashfur to be disrespecting Firestar like that.
Watch, this entire book will be lamenting on how Ashfur was always a jerk, that it’s no wonder he turned evil, completely retconning his previous character development as a sweet tom before ..... because obviously villains in Warriors can’t be complex. xP i agree. we were never given reason to think ashfur was this way with authority before he became an incel about squirrelflight. it feels kinda cheap to me. in fact, it would make ashfur more interesting as a villain as we saw him as this loyal and sweet kid in his youth that had a fall from grace later on in life.
to me, in general these cats disrespecting firestar and graystripe like that feels really OOC. Exactly! It would have been SO much more satisfying to see him as this sweet, gentle tom-perhaps even having a close bond with Graystripe. Would make the big reveal in TBC all the more shocking, and emotionally charged, for Graystripe and co. To see that, instead, the Editor’s have retconned his character to be a loud-mouthed jerk, with a seething distrust for Firestar, from the beginning seems like a disservice. A dumbing down of his characterization.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 21, 2020 13:14:09 GMT -5
WHy is there 2 different allegiances?? The book constantly switches from the past to the present, so the 2nd allegianges page is just for the past allegiances
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 21, 2020 13:15:02 GMT -5
Okay so, I can kind of get Grey not attacking Ashfur? But Cloudtail has the guts to talk shit about his own uncle, who was constantly sticking his neck out for him in TPB? Like he didn't even have to come save you from the Twolegs >.> If Greystripe wanted to thump anyone it should've been Clowntail.
Speaking of Greystripe, I don't remember him ever being so meek and indecisive? Like in the main arcs he's very adamant and eager to fight, help out, etc. Like when I think "such a pushover that the medicine cat has to come over and restore order" I don't think Greystripe.
this is the same dude who took a mate from another clan, rejoined his clan and ignored the naysayers, snuck into a murderous enemy camp on a rescue mission, fed an entire rival clan in secret despite serious punishment, attacked Darkstripe when he saw him feel a kit deathberries, killed Darkstripe later without hesitation.... hes the opposite of meek and indecisive
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Post by Mau Furlong on Jul 21, 2020 13:15:33 GMT -5
WHy is there 2 different allegiances?? The book constantly switches from the past to the present, so the 2nd allegianges page is just for the past allegiances Ohhh ok ty
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 21, 2020 13:16:27 GMT -5
Cherrytail and Cloudmist are back in SkyClan! Only took them a few years.
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Post by Sundance on Jul 21, 2020 13:18:52 GMT -5
I’m so excited that this SE will be flipping back and forth between the past and present, hell yeesssss. I’m also eager for BloodClan to make a comeback. I was hoping they’d return in the present arcs to stir up trouble but this is good too.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 21, 2020 13:19:45 GMT -5
Okay so, I can kind of get Grey not attacking Ashfur? But Cloudtail has the guts to talk shit about his own uncle, who was constantly sticking his neck out for him in TPB? Like he didn't even have to come save you from the Twolegs >.> If Greystripe wanted to thump anyone it should've been Clowntail.
Speaking of Greystripe, I don't remember him ever being so meek and indecisive? Like in the main arcs he's very adamant and eager to fight, help out, etc. Like when I think "such a pushover that the medicine cat has to come over and restore order" I don't think Greystripe.
this is the same dude who took a mate from another clan, rejoined his clan and ignored the naysayers, snuck into a murderous enemy camp on a rescue mission, fed an entire rival clan in secret despite serious punishment, attacked Darkstripe when he saw him feel a kit deathberries, killed Darkstripe later without hesitation.... hes the opposite of meek and indecisive To be fair, he just lost his mate and grandson, his clan his falling apart, and he's at a loss for what to do AND he's older. I think it makes sense why he's struggling right now
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Heterosexual
Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Jul 21, 2020 13:23:01 GMT -5
i agree. we were never given reason to think ashfur was this way with authority before he became an incel about squirrelflight. it feels kinda cheap to me. in fact, it would make ashfur more interesting as a villain as we saw him as this loyal and sweet kid in his youth that had a fall from grace later on in life.
to me, in general these cats disrespecting firestar and graystripe like that feels really OOC. Exactly! It would have been SO much more satisfying to see him as this sweet, gentle tom-perhaps even having a close bond with Graystripe. Would make the big reveal in TBC all the more shocking, and emotionally charged, for Graystripe and co. To see that, instead, the Editor’s have retconned his character to be a loud-mouthed jerk, with a seething distrust for Firestar, from the beginning seems like a disservice. A dumbing down of his characterization. I mean..he isnt the only one thinking anti-Firestar for leaving, so are Cloudtail and Mousefur and others
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Post by Hopewish on Jul 21, 2020 13:23:10 GMT -5
oh my gosh i love how this book is formatted aaa
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 21, 2020 13:23:29 GMT -5
this is the same dude who took a mate from another clan, rejoined his clan and ignored the naysayers, snuck into a murderous enemy camp on a rescue mission, fed an entire rival clan in secret despite serious punishment, attacked Darkstripe when he saw him feel a kit deathberries, killed Darkstripe later without hesitation.... hes the opposite of meek and indecisive To be fair, he just lost his mate and grandson, his clan his falling apart, and he's at a loss for what to do AND he's older. I think it makes sense why he's struggling right now Yeah I don't think it's fair to act like he's being weak given how old he is now and how times have changed. He tried to speak up against the Impostor and was just slapped for it, and his attempts to speak up in these early chapters have been colored by a sort of shakiness that comes to a lot of old people as they realize that they aren't what they used to be. I like this old, broken-down Graystripe who's not as fast or strong as he was before, nor as brave.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 21, 2020 13:25:32 GMT -5
this is the same dude who took a mate from another clan, rejoined his clan and ignored the naysayers, snuck into a murderous enemy camp on a rescue mission, fed an entire rival clan in secret despite serious punishment, attacked Darkstripe when he saw him feel a kit deathberries, killed Darkstripe later without hesitation.... hes the opposite of meek and indecisive To be fair, he just lost his mate and grandson, his clan his falling apart, and he's at a loss for what to do AND he's older. I think it makes sense why he's struggling right now oh no i was referring to his younger self
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 21, 2020 13:26:43 GMT -5
Exactly! It would have been SO much more satisfying to see him as this sweet, gentle tom-perhaps even having a close bond with Graystripe. Would make the big reveal in TBC all the more shocking, and emotionally charged, for Graystripe and co. To see that, instead, the Editor’s have retconned his character to be a loud-mouthed jerk, with a seething distrust for Firestar, from the beginning seems like a disservice. A dumbing down of his characterization. I mean..he isnt the only one thinking anti-Firestar for leaving, so are Cloudtail and Mousefur and others which is why i think they're all being a bit OOC. ashfur definitely has the most attitude about it, though
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 21, 2020 13:33:07 GMT -5
Poor Squirrelflight. The younger cats are all refusing to listen to her. Thornclaw is just narrowing his eyes. Wasn't Squirrelflight recommended TC leader until they get Bramblestar back? Sheesh, folks. You could at least listen to her. Thornclaw is even saying that Squirrel isn't their leader because Bramble was chosen by StC and Squirrel was in exile. But what do you expect? Berrynose is dead and Bristlefrost doesn't even want the position.
So... Graystripe never wanted to be leader because of what happened when Fire and Sand were away in FQ. Yet, he stayed deputy because of a promise he made to his best friend.
Well, that scene with Graystripe talking to Millie was heartbreaking. :c
Dustpelt and Brackenfur being best friends. Considering how upset Brackenfur was over Dustpelt`s death in BrS, this doesn`t surprise me.
Plumstone and Thriftear are so... *starts laughing hysterically* All this over a mouse.
So Plumstone is defending Squirrelflight, but Thriftear doesn't like her as leader.
Plumstone, is that any way to talk to your grandfather?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 13:39:49 GMT -5
To be fair, he just lost his mate and grandson, his clan his falling apart, and he's at a loss for what to do AND he's older. I think it makes sense why he's struggling right now oh no i was referring to his younger self ^ I can understand why he is the way he is in the present.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 13:41:01 GMT -5
Poor Squirrelflight. The younger cats are all refusing to listen to her. Thornclaw is just narrowing his eyes. Wasn't Squirrelflight recommended TC leader until they get Bramblestar back? Sheesh, folks. You could at least listed to her. Thornclaw is even saying that Squirrel isn't their leader because Bramble was chosen by StC and Squirrel was in exile. But what do you expect? Berrynose is dead and Bristlefrost doesn't even want the position.
So... Graystripe never wanted to be leader because of what happened when Fire and Sand were away in FQ. Yet, he stayed deputy because of a promise he made to his best friend.
Well, that scene with Graystripe talking to Millie was heartbreaking. :c
Dustpelt and Brackenfur being best friends. Considering how upset Brackenfur was over Dustpelt`s death in BrS, this doesn`t surprise me.
Plumstone and Thriftear are so... *starts laughing hysterically* All this over a mouse.
So Plumstone is defending Squirrelflight, but Thriftear doesn't like her as leader.
Plumstone, is that any way to talk to your grandfather? The fight between Plumstone and Thriftear reminded me of the fight between Whorlpelt and Strikestone in Tawnypelt's Clan XD but their fight was over Whorlpelt putting a thorn in Strikestone's nest. Other scenes reminded me of Tawnypelt's Clan too, like everyone disrespecting Squirrelflight, like everyone disrespected Tawnypelt.
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