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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Jul 20, 2020 21:48:38 GMT -5
Which major villain caused the most trouble? Who was the most dangerous? Who was most effective? Who had the most potential? Please let me know if I am missing a villain or have incorrect death count
Villain Kills Total Deaths Caused By Villain One Eye 1 1 Slash 0 0 Brokenstar 10 + Raggedstar 15 + Raggedstar Tigerstar 8 15 + His Own 9 Lives Scourge 2 + Tigerstar (9x) 6 + Tigerstar (9x) Hawkfrost 3 5 Sol 0 0 Darktail 8 18 Ashfur 2.5 (0.5 = Shadow) 13.5
The kills resemble the cats they killed indirectly or directly (i.e Scourge killing Firestar or Tigerstar ordering to kill Stonefur), while total number of killed cats include the kills as well as all the other cats who were somehow killed as a result of their actions (i.e Ashfur didn't kill Berrynose but Berrynose died cause of a battle Ashfur caused). I don't know if you guys count Raggedstar as one death or 9 deaths as I don't think he died 9 times, so I just said "+ Raggedstar".
Some of them overlap, like Tigerstar was responsible for the entire BloodClan thing, even Firestar said so, so pretty much everyone who died in the Clans from Scourge, Tigerstar was also responsible for all of it
For cats the villain recruited, like Nettle from the Kin, if they killed someone after the fall of their leader, I feel like that death isn't due to the villain cause their supporters can think for themselves now (or are now under another cats allegiance, like Blackfoot was for both Brokenstar and Tigerstar; Stonefur's death wasn't thanks to Brokenstar)
For the DF related villains, I probably have some deaths missed out cause I don't really remember who the instructors were for each deadly training bout with the trainees or who ordered who
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 20, 2020 21:51:52 GMT -5
totally just a preference but brokenstar always struck me as the most chilling. his mannerisms, the kit killing, the utter destruction he wrought on his own clan. it was tragic and awful and that made him a good read.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 21:55:36 GMT -5
I'm surprised Slash never caused any deaths 0_o
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 20, 2020 22:01:19 GMT -5
Props to Darktail for the highest kill count with the drownings. I also don't think 9 lives should count as separate kills.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 20, 2020 22:15:50 GMT -5
When Brokenstar ripped the 9 lives from Raggedstar, why didn't he die 9 times like Tigerstar? You're asking for logic from YS.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 20, 2020 23:52:05 GMT -5
I knew I wasn't crazy when I found Darktail to be the most threatening villain Warriors had had so far.
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Heterosexual
Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Jul 20, 2020 23:57:10 GMT -5
I knew I wasn't crazy when I found Darktail to be the most threatening villain Warriors had had so far. I can’t wait to see Ashfur overtake him in most number of cats killed, he’s already responsible for 13 deaths and he is confirmed to be in at least two more books, which both seem action-packed
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 21, 2020 0:04:14 GMT -5
I knew I wasn't crazy when I found Darktail to be the most threatening villain Warriors had had so far. Honestly? I didn't think he was that bad as a villain. The guy, at the height of his power, had control over half of Clan territory and managed to persuade almost an entire Clan to abandon their leader. I'd think that's pretty significant. Shame he didn't last beyond book 3, though.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 21, 2020 0:31:20 GMT -5
I feel Brokenstar caused some of the most trouble (maybe impostor is getting up there) because not only did he make kits fight, he banished elders, banished his medicine cat, kicked out Windclan, and when he was finally kicked out of Shadowclan, his living meant the new leader couldn't get his 9 lives AND THEN he causes issues in the afterlife
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 21, 2020 0:37:59 GMT -5
I feel Brokenstar caused some of the most trouble (maybe impostor is getting up there) because not only did he make kits fight, he banished elders, banished his medicine cat, kicked out Windclan, and when he was finally kicked out of Shadowclan, his living meant the new leader couldn't get his 9 lives AND THEN he causes issues in the afterlife whenever i think of brokenstar, i remember that scene in forest of secrets when tigerclaw lead his old rogues into TC's camp to murder bluestar. brokentail joining the fray, this ragged, dark, battle-scarred cat blinded horrifically in the eyes, and fireheart described him as letting out a bone-chilling wail in the middle of the clearing, surrounded by fighting cats. its such a clear image in my mind, and also horrifyingly haunting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 0:42:54 GMT -5
I feel Brokenstar caused some of the most trouble (maybe impostor is getting up there) because not only did he make kits fight, he banished elders, banished his medicine cat, kicked out Windclan, and when he was finally kicked out of Shadowclan, his living meant the new leader couldn't get his 9 lives AND THEN he causes issues in the afterlife whenever i think of brokenstar, i remember that scene in forest of secrets when tigerclaw lead his old rogues into TC's camp to murder bluestar. brokentail joining the fray, this ragged, dark, battle-scarred cat blinded horrifically in the eyes, and fireheart described him as letting out a bone-chilling wail in the middle of the clearing, surrounded by fighting cats. its such a clear image in my mind, and also horrifyingly haunting. brownkit and wetkit accidentally killing mosspaw under brokenstars supervision is still the single most horrifying moment in the entire series to me tbh. for all his incompetence in tpb, ys brokenstar was so goddamn scary.
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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Jul 21, 2020 0:45:50 GMT -5
I feel Brokenstar caused some of the most trouble (maybe impostor is getting up there) because not only did he make kits fight, he banished elders, banished his medicine cat, kicked out Windclan, and when he was finally kicked out of Shadowclan, his living meant the new leader couldn't get his 9 lives AND THEN he causes issues in the afterlife Yeah Brokenstar caused the most emotional damage compared to any other villain with the kit killing. I feel like Ashfur is matching Brokenstar in exiling and punishing his own deputy, both met cats, warriors, and apprentices. I hope he doesn’t stoop as low as Brokenstar and kill kits though
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 21, 2020 8:21:39 GMT -5
Ashfur's advantage over Darktail is not being dead by the third book. Darktail has won out in terms of density of deaths, but raw numbers may give Ashfur the advantage depending on what ghostly powers he reveals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 15:55:49 GMT -5
Brokenstar caused the most trouble you wanna know why let me read the reasons,
He made his own apprentice hang on a branch with his teeth for being to "Chatty" He kills his own father just to gain leadership he exiles the elders he trains kits under 6 moons he causes kits to die he lets some of his clanmates starve he kills two kits and blames it on yellowfang (She gets exiled) He sends clawface to take kits from thunderclan (Which spottedleaf gets killed) He later attacks thunderclan when they refuse to give him more territory he attacks again after he and his followers were exiled (which causes him to get blind by his mother) He plots with tigerclaw to attack thunderclan so tigerclaw can kill bluestar and become leader (fails) He works with the dark forest He helps breezepelt attack jayfeather (fails) he kills beetlewisker just to show them what happens if they try to leave the dark forest He kills ferncloud in the battle.
yea... judging by all he did i'm pretty sure he is way worse than any cat I know. (not to mention he is also pure evil)
I also forgot to mention that he drove out windclan.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Aug 7, 2020 15:58:18 GMT -5
totally just a preference but brokenstar always struck me as the most chilling. his mannerisms, the kit killing, the utter destruction he wrought on his own clan. it was tragic and awful and that made him a good read. Don't remind me about his kit killing, makes me sad R.I.P. Badgerfang
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Post by halogen on Aug 7, 2020 18:26:44 GMT -5
When Brokenstar ripped the 9 lives from Raggedstar, why didn't he die 9 times like Tigerstar? He presumably did, we just didn't see it because he died offscreen.
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