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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 20:12:14 GMT -5
show your salt and state your least favorite character and why
leopardstar is a coward who let her own clanmates be tormented and murdered because she lacked any form of spine and never learned her lesson, continuing to be an arrogant jerk til the end of her days
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 1, 2020 20:25:51 GMT -5
Onestar, imo the worst leader to date. Caused so much trouble just because he wouldn't pay child support. Horrible mate, horrible father, horrible friend, and horrible leader. Started as a coward and died one too as far as I'm concerned. He should have died sooner after all the crap he pulled.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 20:27:17 GMT -5
Breezepelt. I was fine with him until he tried to kill Jayfeather and Poppyfrost, then he just got progressively worse throughout OOTS, even fighting with the DF against his own Clanmates. Then he gets a half-assed redemption and character change despite all he did. People in the fandom act like he can't make his own decisions and everything is NightCrow's fault, which is also annoying. I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 20:35:32 GMT -5
Moonflower. A rude unsupportive rat. The way she treated Goosefeather was disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 20:39:14 GMT -5
Moonflower. A rude unsupportive rat. The way she treated Goosefeather was disgusting. i never read goosefeathers curse so i only know moonflower as the cat who died for bluestars angst so its so funny to see people hate her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 20:43:27 GMT -5
Moonflower. A rude unsupportive rat. The way she treated Goosefeather was disgusting. i never read goosefeathers curse so i only know moonflower as the cat who died for bluestars angst so its so funny to see people hate her. Well, I'm glad I could amuse you today/tonight XD Moonflower though...ugh... She reminds me of the worst parts of my own sister, so I really don't like her. The characters I truly hate are the ones that I hate for personal reasons, like Onestar, I hate him because he reminds me sooo much of my ex-friend. So I guess since my reasons for hating the characters are personal, my hate for them burns even brighter than say my hatred for Crowfeather, who I don't hate, but I strongly dislike.
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Jul 1, 2020 20:48:53 GMT -5
Onestar was one of my least favorite characters for obvious reasons. Dovewing is annoying in my opinion, she never utilized her powers right or throughout the arc that helped developed her as a character, and made her feel useless next to Jayfeather or Lionblaze.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 20:52:24 GMT -5
I'm tired of Ivypool. She is an awful character. Her entire character revolves around Dovewing. Her development is no different compared to her sister's. If one of them never existed then the other sister wouldn't have been around as much and they would become a background character. Ivypool joined the dark Forest because of Dovewing. She got herself involved into Dovewing's relationship with Tigerstar because she was mad at her for it. Ivypool has every right to be mad but we see her mad so often at Dovewing that her moments become so unpleasant to read about. They're always yelling and arguing. Its so boring and annoying. What do people see in her? Ivypool is irresponsible and blames others for her own actions. She didnt do her job as a spy. She didnt save the Clans. She was simply a camera for the dark forest. I like her when she convinced the trainees to turn against the dark forest and i enjoy her loyalty to the warrior code so she's not all bad. But most of her character is about her being mad at Dovewing and its not fun to read about. She matures from her jealousy but then we find her mad at Dovewing about Tigerstar. When Dovewing leaves him Ivypool is happy and they get along. When they get back together Ivypool avoids her and things become nasty between the sisters. I understand how Ivypool feels but she doesn't develop at all. Her character is always so inconsistent. Shes not mature. However she DOES develop more than Dovewing and has better reasons for her behavior. So i sympathize with Ivypool a little more. I just dont like how the erins handled her character development. Its pathetic.
Dovewing is even worse. She uses other people to make herself happy. She used Bumblestripe to try to move on from Tigerstar. She used Ivypool to keep their secret together. And when things don't go her way she runs away from her clan, leaving a worried Ivypool and her family worrying about her. Dovewing is ridiculous. She runs away from her problems. And its unfair how she treated Ivypool. Shes so horrible to her. Dovewing uses Ivypool to be happy so she can break the rules and lie to the clan. And then she ditches Ivypool and her family for Tigerstar and her kits. I just wish both of these characters knew how to treat each other. I dont understand why they're so favored in the fandom. They are both toxic to each other and Im glad they finally cut ties. I hope their stories are over bc im tired of them. Their kits are more interesting and mature than their mothers ever were and thats really sad. at least i got shadowsight out of Dovewing's selfish behavior and Bristlefrost out of Ivypool and Fernsong. so something good came out of both of these sisters' existence lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 20:53:47 GMT -5
I'm tired of Ivypool. She is an awful character. Her entire character revolves around Dovewing. Her development is no different compared to her sister's. If one of them never existed then the other sister wouldn't have been around as much and they would become a background character. Ivypool joined the dark Forest because of Dovewing. She got herself involved into Dovewing's relationship with Tigerstar because she was mad at her for it. Ivypool has every right to be mad but we see her mad so often at Dovewing that her moments become so unpleasant to read about. They're always yelling and arguing. Its so boring and annoying. What do people see in her? Ivypool is irresponsible and blames others for her own actions. She didnt do her job as a spy. She didnt save the Clans. She was simply a camera for the dark forest. I like her when she convinced the trainees to turn against the dark forest and i enjoy her loyalty to the warrior code so she's not all bad. But most of her character is about her being mad at Dovewing and its not fun to read about. She matures from her jealousy but then we find her mad at Dovewing about Tigerstar. When Dovewing leaves him Ivypool is happy and they get along. When they get back together Ivypool avoids her and things become nasty between the sisters. I understand how Ivypool feels but she doesn't develop at all. Her character is always so inconsistent. Shes not mature. However she DOES develop more than Dovewing and has better reasons for her behavior. So i sympathize with Ivypool a little more. I just dont like how the erins handled her character development. Its pathetic. Dovewing is even worse. She uses other people to make herself happy. She used Bumblestripe to try to move on from Tigerstar. She used Ivypool to keep their secret together. And when things don't go her way she runs away from her clan, leaving a worried Ivypool and her family worrying about her. Dovewing is ridiculous. She runs away from her problems. And its unfair how she treated Ivypool. Shes so horrible to her. Dovewing uses Ivypool to be happy so she can break the rules and lie to the clan. And then she ditches Ivypool and her family for Tigerstar and her kits. I just wish both of these characters knew how to treat each other. I dont understand why they're so favored in the fandom. They are both toxic to each other and Im glad they finally cut ties. I hope their stories are over bc im tired of them. Their kits are more interesting and mature and thats really sad. at least i got shadowsight out of Dovewing's selfish behavior and Bristlefrost out of Ivypool and Fernsong. so something good came out of both of these sisters' existence lol her name is pretty and shes angsty
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 1, 2020 21:11:49 GMT -5
There are so many, but Jessy, Breezepelt, and Ivypool are probably at the top for me if we don't count any unredeemed antagonists. Tigerheart as well, though he's certainly become more tolerable recently. There's also Finleap in TRS, Bumblestripe (especially in the SS bonus scene), Twigbranch for most of AVoS, Sagewhisker, Mistystar as of VoS, and Moonlight.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 1, 2020 22:02:09 GMT -5
cant believe no one has mentioned freaking rainflower yet, what an abusive POS
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Post by highprince on Jul 1, 2020 22:11:28 GMT -5
Ivypool, just because of how much the fandom worships her. I could never see her as anything but a brat that was jealous of something Dovewing didn't even choose - I find it funny how Dovewing's always called selfish (and I don't entirely disagree), but Ivypool was always so much more so. She hardly ever did anything considering she's held up on this pedestal as a DF spy and great potential leader, never supported her sister, and overall has only done anything to benefit herself. She's even kept her mouth shut entirely about Impostorstar this arc, which I find almost amusing because of how the fandom tends to portray her.
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Post by gig on Jul 1, 2020 22:12:53 GMT -5
Onestar writing-wise just because of the still unexplained switch in personality. Breezepelt just for his awful redemption. Appledusk.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 1, 2020 22:26:36 GMT -5
Needletail because what is accountability?
Leopardstar because also what is accountability?
Mistystar because she's a dumpster fire like her mother, who I also hate.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 1, 2020 22:29:28 GMT -5
Ivypool, just because of how much the fandom worships her. I could never see her as anything but a brat that was jealous of something Dovewing didn't even choose - I find it funny how Dovewing's always called selfish (and I don't entirely disagree), but Ivypool was always so much more so. She hardly ever did anything considering she's held up on this pedestal as a DF spy and great potential leader, never supported her sister, and overall has only done anything to benefit herself. She's even kept her mouth shut entirely about Impostorstar this arc, which I find almost amusing because of how the fandom tends to portray her. I mostly agree, but what do you mean she kept her mouth shut? Ivypool never knew the imposter even was an imposter. Literally the only ThunderClan cat who knew the truth was Bristlefrost.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 1, 2020 22:31:05 GMT -5
Rainflower, Moonlight, Onestar, Dovewing, Ivypool (mostly of how the fandom portrays her), Tom, Sleekwhisker, and Mistystar as of VoS.
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Post by highprince on Jul 1, 2020 22:34:21 GMT -5
Ivypool, just because of how much the fandom worships her. I could never see her as anything but a brat that was jealous of something Dovewing didn't even choose - I find it funny how Dovewing's always called selfish (and I don't entirely disagree), but Ivypool was always so much more so. She hardly ever did anything considering she's held up on this pedestal as a DF spy and great potential leader, never supported her sister, and overall has only done anything to benefit herself. She's even kept her mouth shut entirely about Impostorstar this arc, which I find almost amusing because of how the fandom tends to portray her. I mostly agree, but what do you mean she kept her mouth shut? Ivypool never knew the imposter even was an imposter. It's less about knowing it's an impostor and ignoring Bramblestar's totally uncharacteristic behavior. Taking prey first, lazing around in his den all day, exiling loyal warriors, and attacking Graystripe. The fandom portrays her as this fearless badass but iirc, she smiled and nodded along with all of Bramblestar's terrible behavior.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 1, 2020 22:39:11 GMT -5
I mostly agree, but what do you mean she kept her mouth shut? Ivypool never knew the imposter even was an imposter. It's less about knowing it's an impostor and ignoring Bramblestar's totally uncharacteristic behavior. Taking prey first, lazing around in his den all day, exiling loyal warriors, and attacking Graystripe. The fandom portrays her as this fearless badass but iirc, she smiled and nodded along with all of Bramblestar's terrible behavior. To be fair, this was...90% of ThunderClan, not just Ivypool, just going "hey he's acting funny" up until midway through Veil of Shadows. Plus, I do recall she and Fernsong wanted to leave with Graystripe and the other exiles, but stayed for their kits. But otherwise agreed.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 1, 2020 22:48:23 GMT -5
It's less about knowing it's an impostor and ignoring Bramblestar's totally uncharacteristic behavior. Taking prey first, lazing around in his den all day, exiling loyal warriors, and attacking Graystripe. The fandom portrays her as this fearless badass but iirc, she smiled and nodded along with all of Bramblestar's terrible behavior. To be fair, this was...90% of ThunderClan, not just Ivypool, just going "hey he's acting funny" up until midway through Veil of Shadows. Plus, I do recall she and Fernsong wanted to leave with Graystripe and the other exiles, but stayed for their kits. But otherwise agreed. Yeah, I don't like Ivypool and it's annoying how she's put on some kind of pedestal, but I think it's really unfair to blame her for not noticing when most of everyone in ThunderClan was either fooled as well or just went along with it, including Squirrelflight—Bramblestar's mate—at least initially.
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Post by highprince on Jul 1, 2020 23:09:09 GMT -5
To be fair, this was...90% of ThunderClan, not just Ivypool, just going "hey he's acting funny" up until midway through Veil of Shadows. Plus, I do recall she and Fernsong wanted to leave with Graystripe and the other exiles, but stayed for their kits. But otherwise agreed. Yeah, I don't like Ivypool and it's annoying how she's put on some kind of pedestal, but I think it's really unfair to blame her for not noticing when most of everyone in ThunderClan was either fooled as well or just went along with it, including Squirrelflight—Bramblestar's mate—at least initially. Like I said, I mostly dislike her because of how the fandom's interpretation of her clashes with what we're actually given in the books and how she's worshiped in fanon. Plus, this isn't one of my biggest gripes with her character, just an example of how she's seen as someone amazing and heroic when she really.....isn't. Though to defend my view a little bit, I think the clan mostly went along with Bramblestar because of their close relationships with him, because he was their leader for most of if not their whole life, and because they viewed StarClan and the dead cats as some mystic force they absolutely needed. Squirrelflight herself most likely didn't have a strong backlash at first because she's Bramblestar's mate and didn't want to acknowledge that he wasn't himself. Ivypool is portrayed as relatively headstrong, has no particularly close connection to Bramblestar, and grew up under Firestar's leadership. She's also the mother of a POV character, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for her to have said anything or stood up for cats like Lionblaze and Jayfeather - who she'd worked with against the Dark Forest, Twigbranch - who was her apprentice, or Flipclaw being forced to become a medicine cat - her own son. She also has more experience with the workings of StarClan and the Dark Forest and because of that, I think she'd be less desperate for their return. While, no, I can't particularly blame her for not standing up against Bramblestar, I don't think it's completely unfair to say that her passiveness in the situation seemed strange.
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Post by sageheart on Jul 1, 2020 23:10:17 GMT -5
Clear Sky. I know some people like him because he’s “flawed”,,,, but i hate him. He’s a POS. He abandoned his son, was horrible to his brother, started a bunch of unnecessary battles, got with his ABANDONED son’s love interest. urgh. I dont think he was a great leader either
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 1, 2020 23:13:12 GMT -5
To be fair, this was...90% of ThunderClan, not just Ivypool, just going "hey he's acting funny" up until midway through Veil of Shadows. Plus, I do recall she and Fernsong wanted to leave with Graystripe and the other exiles, but stayed for their kits. But otherwise agreed. Yeah, I don't like Ivypool and it's annoying how she's put on some kind of pedestal, but I think it's really unfair to blame her for not noticing when most of everyone in ThunderClan was either fooled as well or just went along with it, including Squirrelflight—Bramblestar's mate—at least initially. The way the fandom treats her is annoying. I like her as a character, but the way she's constantly praised as some sort of holy savior is just weird and as stated, annoying. Granted, not all of the Ivypool fans do this, but it gets degrading after a while. And yeah agreed. Cats who had known Bramblestar the closest (Squirrelflight, Lionblaze, Jayfeather, etc) didn't suspect anything at first and neither did the older warriors who had known him a long time. I hardly think she's at fault.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 1, 2020 23:21:36 GMT -5
also thistleclaw and his disturbing grooming of spottedpaw makes him pretty damn bad
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Post by icefurs on Jul 1, 2020 23:40:54 GMT -5
Breezepelt. I was fine with him until he tried to kill Jayfeather and Poppyfrost, then he just got progressively worse throughout OOTS, even fighting with the DF against his own Clanmates. Then he gets a half-assed redemption and character change despite all he did. People in the fandom act like he can't make his own decisions and everything is NightCrow's fault, which is also annoying. I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him. This. It still bothers me that the Poppyfrost attack was never brought up in Crowfeather's SE, considering that's one of the worst things he could have done. Hell, even in Dovewing's Silence he seemed all unapologetic about being involved iirc but suddenly he regrets it all? I don't blame his clanmates for how they treated him, even when Nightcloud went missing. I would love to see something from his POV though.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 2, 2020 1:02:44 GMT -5
Flametail. Can't stand him personality-wise, and then had to sit through a whole book that featured him prominently for no reason. At all. Seriously, there is not a single reason for him to be there. Just... leave, Flametail. I would like you so much more if you were over there and not in my face.
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Post by chimken nugget on Jul 2, 2020 1:26:28 GMT -5
There are so many, but Jessy, Breezepelt, and Ivypool are probably at the top for me if we don't count any unredeemed antagonists. Tigerheart as well, though he's certainly become more tolerable recently. There's also Finleap in TRS, Bumblestripe (especially in the SS bonus scene), Twigbranch for most of AVoS, Sagewhisker, Mistystar as of VoS, and Moonlight. I used to absolutely loathe jessy and I still don’t like her, but looking back there was nothing really wrong with her personality. it’s just that she was written badly, as a squirrelflight 2.0 plot device, to make bramblestar pine after her for no reason and create the unnecessary, easily avoidable tension that warriors always has. I would have much preferred to see a book where bramblestar and squirrelflight are back to being mates but are struggling to completely trust each other as much as they did before–it would be much more realistic. jessy was nothing more than a spunky strong girl cardboard cutout, and she wasn’t needed at all, but her personality wasn’t what made her unlikeable–it’s how she was used for the plot.
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Crysolis
What is that melody..?
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Post by Crysolis on Jul 2, 2020 7:58:16 GMT -5
Feathertail, Graystripe, Lionblaze, Squirrelflight, Blackstar, Brightheart, Sandstorm, Birchfall, Tigerheart, Dovewing
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Post by chimken nugget on Jul 2, 2020 8:01:26 GMT -5
Feathertail, Graystripe, Lionblaze, Squirrelflight, Blackstar, Brightheart, Sandstorm, Birchfall, Tigerheart, Dovewing what do you dislike about graystripe and brightheart?
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Post by crowspirit on Jul 2, 2020 8:08:47 GMT -5
Skystar. I admit that he's interesting and well written, but I still can't stand him. He causes the deaths of sooo many cats, and just when I thought he was getting better he became a douchebag AGAIN!
Also Onestar, of course. Oakstar, Mapleshade, Ashfur, Rainflower and Bramblestar are also pretty terrible.
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