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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 25, 2020 12:40:58 GMT -5
are there any popular warriors ships you personally don't like? by popular ships I don't necessarily mean just canon ones. please keep things civil
for me i really don't like mothleaf. i just think leafpool is really irresponsible and would handle another forbidden relationship immaturely, and plus I don't see much evidence for it in the books themselves. I don't see leafpool as being bisexual either which is another unpopular opinion
theres a few other ships I don't like that used to be super popular (like hawkivy and ivyblossom) but I don't think they're very well liked anymore so
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 25, 2020 13:01:41 GMT -5
I also agree with Mothpool. It's based on, what, Leafpool thinking Mothwing looks pretty? By that logic, then if a girl thinks another girl is pretty, they're automatically in love. Same with Ivyblossom. I really cannot see Ivypool and Blossomfall as anything other then friends.
Another one includes TreexViolet. I get they're both adults and all, but Violetshine hating him in Darkest Night, then suddenly loving him in River of Fire seems a bit rushed to me.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 25, 2020 13:05:08 GMT -5
I also agree with Mothpool. It's based on, what, Leafpool thinking Mothwing looks pretty? By that logic, then if a girl thinks another girl is pretty, they're automatically in love. Same with Ivyblossom. I really cannot see Ivypool and Blossomfall as anything other then friends. Another one includes TreexViolet. I get they're both adults and all, but Violetshine hating him in Darkest Night, then suddenly loving him in River of Fire seems a bit rushed to me. RIGHT. and i just dont like ivyblossom bc blossomfall was such a jerk to ivypool for like 3 books and people interpreted it as her secretly being in love with her? like why treeviolet was rushed but i don't dislike it that much tbh
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Mar 25, 2020 13:17:21 GMT -5
I don't know how many people actively dislike this ship anymore (I haven't read... the last half ot the sixth arc or Tigerheartstar's SE so there might be context I don't have yet) BUT.
I've never liked TigerDove. In OotS their whole getting together was based on a lie he told- Dove asked what Tiger was doing skulking around/across ThunderClan's borders at night, and he used her insistence on figuring this out to get her to meet with him, like an "oh, I'll tell you if you meet me in secret" kinda deal. And did he ever, in fact, explain this to her? Nope.
Also the fact that Dovewing told him about her clan's catmint garden in confidence, and he almost immediately betrayed her trust on that count and enabled his clanmates to take Ivypool as a hostage. WHEN, let's be honest. Firestar probably would've just given them the stuff if they'd asked nicely.
There's just.. a pattern in their initial actions of Tigerheart misleading Dovewing that I've never been a fan of. Granted, they did have some sweet moments and they are older now, but as things stand I'm not currently a fan of that ship. I don't ship Dovewing with Bumblestripe or anything, but just wish she hadn't gone back to Tigerheart/star after everything.
I do like their kid though, Shadowsight's been an interestin pov so far haha.
That's probably my biggest one- I don't know if it's a popular or unpopular ship, necessarily, or if everyone's just kinda resigned to it at this point. my opinion's not set in stone, though, as I know I missed some development between OotS and The Broken Code. I should catch up on that front.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Mar 25, 2020 13:35:03 GMT -5
I agree about MothLeaf. Leafpool wouldn't be able to handle it right and Mothwing would probably end up breaking up with her.
I don't like NeedleViolet, VioletTree, OneSmoke, BerryPoppy, CrowNight, and I'm starting to dislike BrambleSquirrel the more I look back at it because of how Bramblestar acts. I tried to like it because Squirrelflight really loves him, but honestly I would have preferred SquirrelStorm becoming a thing and the Three being from them. (I'm quite aware Squirrelflight lied, but I personally feels like it pales in comparison to how he regularly treats her. Don't quote me trying to debate the ship, please.)
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 25, 2020 13:38:18 GMT -5
I don't know how many people actively dislike this ship anymore (I haven't read... the last half ot the sixth arc or Tigerheartstar's SE so there might be context I don't have yet) BUT. I've never liked TigerDove. In OotS their whole getting together was based on a lie he told- Dove asked what Tiger was doing skulking around/across ThunderClan's borders at night, and he used her insistence on figuring this out to get her to meet with him, like an "oh, I'll tell you if you meet me in secret" kinda deal. And did he ever, in fact, explain this to her? Nope. Also the fact that Dovewing told him about her clan's catmint garden in confidence, and he almost immediately betrayed her trust on that count and enabled his clanmates to take Ivypool as a hostage. WHEN, let's be honest. Firestar probably would've just given them the stuff if they'd asked nicely. There's just.. a pattern in their initial actions of Tigerheart misleading Dovewing that I've never been a fan of. Granted, they did have some sweet moments and they are older now, but as things stand I'm not currently a fan of that ship. I don't ship Dovewing with Bumblestripe or anything, but just wish she hadn't gone back to Tigerheart/star after everything. I do like their kid though, Shadowsight's been an interestin pov so far haha. That's probably my biggest one- I don't know if it's a popular or unpopular ship, necessarily, or if everyone's just kinda resigned to it at this point. my opinion's not set in stone, though, as I know I missed some development between OotS and The Broken Code. I should catch up on that front. a lot of people hate tigerdove (including me.) you're not alone in this. in fact i think more people hate it now than they did in oots bc it's been dragged out for so long
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Post by swin on Mar 25, 2020 13:39:17 GMT -5
Mothwing x Leafpool Ivypool x Blossomfall Jayfeather x Briarlight Jayfeather x Half Moon Bramblestar x Squirrelflight
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 25, 2020 13:53:47 GMT -5
JayHalf VioletTree JayBriar IvyBlossom GraySilver CinderFire LeafCrow BrambleSquirrel NightLeaf and NightFeather FeatherThrush OakBlue
Off the top of my head.
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Mar 25, 2020 14:08:55 GMT -5
Fallen leaves x Hollyleaf. I want to ship it. I really do. Even the website says that they’re mates.. but they’re really not. They hardly interact, and when they do it’s just awkward. Besides, there’s no chemistry or connection between them. It’s overrated considering how little their dynamic was explored.
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Post by halogen on Mar 25, 2020 14:10:38 GMT -5
I don't know how many people actively dislike this ship anymore (I haven't read... the last half ot the sixth arc or Tigerheartstar's SE so there might be context I don't have yet) BUT. I've never liked TigerDove. In OotS their whole getting together was based on a lie he told- Dove asked what Tiger was doing skulking around/across ThunderClan's borders at night, and he used her insistence on figuring this out to get her to meet with him, like an "oh, I'll tell you if you meet me in secret" kinda deal. And did he ever, in fact, explain this to her? Nope. Also the fact that Dovewing told him about her clan's catmint garden in confidence, and he almost immediately betrayed her trust on that count and enabled his clanmates to take Ivypool as a hostage. WHEN, let's be honest. Firestar probably would've just given them the stuff if they'd asked nicely. There's just.. a pattern in their initial actions of Tigerheart misleading Dovewing that I've never been a fan of. Granted, they did have some sweet moments and they are older now, but as things stand I'm not currently a fan of that ship. I don't ship Dovewing with Bumblestripe or anything, but just wish she hadn't gone back to Tigerheart/star after everything. I do like their kid though, Shadowsight's been an interestin pov so far haha. That's probably my biggest one- I don't know if it's a popular or unpopular ship, necessarily, or if everyone's just kinda resigned to it at this point. my opinion's not set in stone, though, as I know I missed some development between OotS and The Broken Code. I should catch up on that front. Wasn't Jayfeather going out of his way to make sure ShadowClan didn't get the herbs, though? And Firestar had just invaded ShadowClan's territory unprovoked, ShadowClan had good reason to think he wouldn't just nicely hand over the herbs despite his nice past behavior. Given that, it seemed pretty reasonable for Tigerheart to betray Dovewing's trust if it meant saving his Clanmates' lives.
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Post by platinum blond death on Mar 25, 2020 14:29:49 GMT -5
I like the idea of Mothpool, but I do agree that it doesn't have much substance. lbr most of my fascination with mothpool was bc of a song about them Personally though, I think Mothwing is lesbian. Bramblexsquirrel is another of my least favorites; they were shaky at the start and I don't think they've gotten any better. I really don't see IvyxBlossom. Don't hate it, just don't see it. I can't see Jayfeather in a relationship with anyone. besides his stick
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 15:25:04 GMT -5
Non-Canon
I agree about Ivypool x Blossomfall, that relationship is sooo lame, they had one conversation where they were nice to each other, and the other times, Blossomfall was a complete bully to Ivypool.
Scourge x Ashfur - why does this exist? Lol
Brightheart x Swiftpaw - Brightheart x Cloudtail is the ultimate couple.
The Medicine Cats x Anyone - they are medicine cats.
That's all the non-canon ships I know of.
Canon
Jayfeather x Half Moon - Stupid and pointless
Leafpool x Crowfeather - Leafpool was kind of a creep, she would like NOT leave Crowfeather alone.
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Post by scint on Mar 25, 2020 15:35:23 GMT -5
IvyBlossom Mothpool JayHalf HollyFallen LeafCrow BrambleSquirrel GraySilver JayBriar TwigFin (don't know how popular this one still is, but I disliked it before TRS came out so) JaggedRainswept MinnowMouse BerryHoney AlderNeedle TallJake (I don't really like this one tbh, and I find it overrated. If anything it felt one-sided, don't debate me on this.) HeatherBreeze (Idk I just don't like it that much tbh)
...Those are the ones I can name off the top of my head.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Mar 25, 2020 16:15:26 GMT -5
Scourge×Ashfur is cringe Spotted×Fire (don't get me started on this) Twig×Fin Bramble×Squirrel Ivy×Blossom
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Post by Sundance on Mar 25, 2020 18:18:44 GMT -5
Berry x Poppy Gray x Sleet Tree x Violet Twig x Fin Thunder x Violet
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 25, 2020 18:32:15 GMT -5
Any non-canon ships such as Mothwing and Leafpool and Ivypool and Blossomfall.
Spottedleaf and Firestar Leafpool and Crowfeather Feathertail and Crowfeather Dovewing and Tigerstar (Tigerheart)
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Post by platinum blond death on Mar 25, 2020 18:55:19 GMT -5
I wanna know where the heck Scourge x Ashfur came from. Seriously, the hell?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 19:43:17 GMT -5
I wanna know where the heck Scourge x Ashfur came from. Seriously, the hell? Me too! I think someone once told me, the reason they're shipped together, is because they're both super edgy or something like that
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 25, 2020 21:30:50 GMT -5
I wanna know where the heck Scourge x Ashfur came from. Seriously, the hell? Me too! I think someone once told me, the reason they're shipped together, is because they're both super edgy or something like that It's really just your standard random crackship basically so there's not really any reason behind it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 21:38:06 GMT -5
Me too! I think someone once told me, the reason they're shipped together, is because they're both super edgy or something like that It's really just your standard random crackship basically so there's not really any reason behind it. That makes sense I wonder what other crackships there are
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Post by halogen on Mar 25, 2020 21:38:51 GMT -5
Other than ones people have already listed like JayBriar, JayHalf, LeafCrow,
NightcloudxLeafpool, NightcloudxFeathertail, OakheartxThrushpelt or any other ship that's only reason for existence for its existence is that both cats were somehow mates/in a pairing with/romantically involved with the same third cat, despite them never interacting in canon. I don't get the appeal of these at all. Is it just that the people shipping these cats really don't like Crowfeather, Bluestar, etc. and want to get those cats together to spite the cat they hate?
Also Ashfur x Hawkfrost. I don't get this. Just because they plotted Firestar's death together doesn't mean they are in love, especially when Ashfur was only involved in the plot because of his feelings of being rejected by Squirrelflight and all. How come every time two villains work together, it has to be a ship?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 25, 2020 22:33:19 GMT -5
BlossomIvy, JayBriar, Mothpool, CrowFeather (surprise, I know), CinderFire.
I also would not call CrowLeaf a popular ship. I feel just as many people hate it as love it (I love LeafCrow)
Edit to add: I don't like AlderNeedle or PuddleAlder. I only like VelvetAlder and that's because I appreciate how respectful they were of each other's positions, even though they cared for each other (this isn't a popular ship tho)
Edit again: While I love ReedMaple, I hate FreckleMaple, which is currently seemingly popular? It's a really unpleasant ship to me.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 26, 2020 4:38:13 GMT -5
Leafpool x Crowfeather - Leafpool was kind of a creep, she would like NOT leave Crowfeather alone. ??? I don't like this pairing either but like, I'm pretty sure it was the other way around. Leafpool was just trying to be nice to Crowfeather on the journey as a medicine cat, then after he saved her he kept thinking about Feathertail. He then suddenly blurted out his feelings to her, putting Leafpool on the spot, and causing her inner turmoil later on. He pushes the idea of running away together, and Spottedleaf's dumb advice is what led Leafpool to taking it. Then it's Leafpool who decides to go back, not wanting her clan to be left for the wolves (or in this case badgers) like Crowfeather wanted. And then when she chooses her clan over him, it's Crowfeather who is down right bitter about this decision. He even proves this when he watches Breezepelt and Lionblaze rip into one another, and Leafpool scolds him about it. He's clearly still bitter about her breaking up with him and choosing her duty over him. And then in CT, he goes out of his way to try and see and speak to her, to the point other cats were suspicious of his intents.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 26, 2020 4:46:02 GMT -5
FireSand: Felt half-arsed tbh. DustFern: Pair the spares IvyBlossom: The wrong representation JayBriar: They're just doc and patient GrayMillie: Unnecessary CrowLeaf: Rushed and hardly believable CrowNight: Night deserved better OakBlue: One night stand ThrushBlue: Thrush deserved better FallenHolly: Hardly believable BrightCloud: Didn't care for it ThistleSpotted: Trash DoveTiger: Garbage TwigFin: Crap StormBrook: Storm deserved better TawnyRowan: Super unbelievable BerryPoppy: Pair the spares part 2 GraySleet: Don't care about it ScourgeAsh: Just very cringe LionCinder: Boring DoveBumble: Bumble deserved better
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Bisexual
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Post by finland on Mar 26, 2020 8:12:47 GMT -5
Violetshine x Tree: Does anyone else not like them together at all?
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 26, 2020 8:48:39 GMT -5
Violetshine x Tree: Does anyone else not like them together at all? *Raises hand*DW you're not alone here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 8:55:51 GMT -5
Leafpool x Crowfeather - Leafpool was kind of a creep, she would like NOT leave Crowfeather alone. ??? I don't like this pairing either but like, I'm pretty sure it was the other way around. Leafpool was just trying to be nice to Crowfeather on the journey as a medicine cat, then after he saved her he kept thinking about Feathertail. He then suddenly blurted out his feelings to her, putting Leafpool on the spot, and causing her inner turmoil later on. He pushes the idea of running away together, and Spottedleaf's dumb advice is what led Leafpool to taking it. Then it's Leafpool who decides to go back, not wanting her clan to be left for the wolves (or in this case badgers) like Crowfeather wanted. And then when she chooses her clan over him, it's Crowfeather who is down right bitter about this decision. He even proves this when he watches Breezepelt and Lionblaze rip into one another, and Leafpool scolds him about it. He's clearly still bitter about her breaking up with him and choosing her duty over him. And then in CT, he goes out of his way to try and see and speak to her, to the point other cats were suspicious of his intents. Oh, I meant before they even got together, I might be remembering it wrong, but it seemed like Leafpool would NOT leave Crowfeather alone, and she kept trying to talk to him, even though he kept blowing her off, and it seemed like he wanted nothing to do with her
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 26, 2020 9:07:36 GMT -5
For some of these, I'm not entirely sure how popular they still are, but I'm including them anyway: GrayxSilver TallxJake FirexCinder BramblexSquirrel LionxHeather DovexBumble HawkxPebble TwigxFin
Oh, and about Mothpool, to be fair, whenever a character calls another beautiful in fiction, that's typically meant to be seen as a sign of attraction to the other. Of course it doesn't always work that way in real life, but I can understand why it's popular.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 26, 2020 9:50:03 GMT -5
??? I don't like this pairing either but like, I'm pretty sure it was the other way around. Leafpool was just trying to be nice to Crowfeather on the journey as a medicine cat, then after he saved her he kept thinking about Feathertail. He then suddenly blurted out his feelings to her, putting Leafpool on the spot, and causing her inner turmoil later on. He pushes the idea of running away together, and Spottedleaf's dumb advice is what led Leafpool to taking it. Then it's Leafpool who decides to go back, not wanting her clan to be left for the wolves (or in this case badgers) like Crowfeather wanted. And then when she chooses her clan over him, it's Crowfeather who is down right bitter about this decision. He even proves this when he watches Breezepelt and Lionblaze rip into one another, and Leafpool scolds him about it. He's clearly still bitter about her breaking up with him and choosing her duty over him. And then in CT, he goes out of his way to try and see and speak to her, to the point other cats were suspicious of his intents. Oh, I meant before they even got together, I might be remembering it wrong, but it seemed like Leafpool would NOT leave Crowfeather alone, and she kept trying to talk to him, even though he kept blowing her off, and it seemed like he wanted nothing to do with her Leafpool actually wanted nothing to do with Crowfeather at first, besides being curious about him. In fact, most of time they interacted was out of her control (like when she was helping WindClan) and even then, they were hostile towards each other and she pitied him from afar and didn't really confront him about his grief until Feathertail told her to give him a message about him finding happiness in life. The next time they interact is when he saves her and they confess their feelings for each other. For a better perspective, Leafpool and Crowfeather only really interact in two or three chapters before they speak in a dream (the same chapter where Feathertail speaks to her after she finds the Moonpool), and after that, she gives him Feathertail's message. Both times are when she's trying to help WindClan's elders, and neither of them bring up Feathertail even once. I honestly curious why you thought she wouldn't leave him alone. I take it it's been awhile since you've read TNP?
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