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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 23:57:42 GMT -5
I never understood this. Why do people adopt and pay for pre-made characters? Why waste money you can use on say, art commissions, when you can just create your own OC…??
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Post by swin on Mar 25, 2020 0:09:45 GMT -5
Maybe they want a completely fresh idea? idk, I never really understood this either
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 0:17:12 GMT -5
i ask myself this question every time I see someone selling a super boring/generic design for like $50... and people actually buy it.
I guess I can understand it if it's a design that you REALLY WANT and HAVE TO HAVE... but I see people buying tons of adopts and then never/rarely use them. Of course people can do what they like with their own money but personally I'd rather use that $50 to get someone to draw my own character because to me that's more valuable and worth it. but again, to each their own, I'm not judging people who buy adopts it's just not something I've ever been interested in
I've seen furry auctions that go for like $500 - $1000 though and to me thats CRAAAZY high?? It makes me wonder how the seller justifies accepting that much money if they only spent like 1 - 2 hours on the design. If that were me I would be far too uncomfortable for that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 0:47:04 GMT -5
i ask myself this question every time I see someone selling a super boring/generic design for like $50... and people actually buy it. I guess I can understand it if it's a design that you REALLY WANT and HAVE TO HAVE... but I see people buying tons of adopts and then never/rarely use them. Of course people can do what they like with their own money but personally I'd rather use that $50 to get someone to draw my own character because to me that's more valuable and worth it. but again, to each their own, I'm not judging people who buy adopts it's just not something I've ever been interested in I've seen furry auctions that go for like $500 - $1000 though and to me thats CRAAAZY high?? It makes me wonder how the seller justifies accepting that much money if they only spent like 1 - 2 hours on the design. If that were me I would be far too uncomfortable for that. $1,000?! Lmao, imagine spending 1k on an OC that is just Sonic with inverted colours. That's a scam. Like you said, it's better to just spend $2-$20 on commission art of a character you made from scratch. Yikes!
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Post by Leapkit on Mar 25, 2020 2:07:42 GMT -5
Partly agree, although theres been two times Ive bought a pay for adopt myself and it was because as soon as I saw the art I kinda fell in love, but they were both only like $10-$15. They also weren't some basic design bc like... oh Goodie another wolfdog with (insert shape here) fur pattern. How Original.
One is a closed species demon looking dude, and the other is a slime gryphon.
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Post by L’Éᴛʀᴀɴɢᴇʀ on Mar 26, 2020 0:42:42 GMT -5
Whew... I'm sorry if I come off a bit strong in this, but as an artist aiming to enter the industry I cannot help but feel disbelief at some of the things I've seen here. Here are a list of reasons why people buy adoptables: - they cannot draw for themselves and don't have a perfect image of what their written character would look like until they see a certain design - they have a very niche aesthetic and want to branch out with more unique designs - they want to have a character without having to put too much thought into the appearance because it's premade - they love the content said creator churns out and want to support them - the adopts are ideas they personally would have never came up with and they really want a character with that design - it's a good reference for the character they have in mind and a good starting point for them to get commissions of said character done without infringing on the intellectual property of other creators - they see and fall in love with a design they themselves had not thought of and bought it so that they would not steal
There's plenty more seeing as everybody has their own reasons and explanations. Not everybody enjoys the process of designing characters. Some people prefer to just buy characters. Some people have compulsive spending habits where if something is visually appealing, whether or not they have a purpose in mind for said adoptable, they will want to buy it.
I think the most important point I'm coming to here is that art is a luxury, not a necessity.
Besides, its not a matter of the design itself. There's plenty of variables that factor into the price of the adoptable including but not limited to artistic skill, time, and complexity. I hate to say it, but I genuinely believe most adoptable creators are selling themselves short and shooting everybody in the foot by pricing their original creations as low as they do. Same with artists who do commissions. "$2-$20" as a price range for commissions is hardly a fair living wage for artists when most commissions take hours unless they're sketch commissions and even then, those artists aren't valuing themselves as industry level artists.
Consider a bust done in half an hour for $2/$3 when the average minimum wage in the United States as a whole is $7.25 means they are not even making an equivalent of a minimum wage from the time and effort they put into their commissions. That said, an adoptable should - and I wholeheartedly believe this - be priced higher than a commission of the same quality because it's not just the art being sold. It's an entire concept. An entire character design that you yourself did not have to make. Seeing you call an adoptable that sells for $500/$1000 a 'scam' is rather disheartening.
When I see an adoptable selling for $500/$1000, it generally means it comes with a lot of extra goodies. Sometimes written lore, sometimes a promised additional bust or full body turnaround, weapons, accessories, and - in some cases - even commercial rights to the character but not the artwork itself. Artists' aren't paid based on the time they put into a work [and let me promise you, depending on the artist some can take 4/5 hours to do what you consider took '1/2 hours' or even more. Artists are paid for the hard work, time, and effort they dedicated into learning and mastering their craft. They're not scamming buyers. They're respecting themselves.
I hope this clears some things up regarding the entire adoptable trends/pricing models for artists. And if you do choose to commission an artist who has dirt cheap prices and you're able to, please leave them a tip to let them know they're worth more than they're charging.
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Post by Thunderlake on Mar 26, 2020 4:15:29 GMT -5
if yall think it takes 2 hours to make a character and design then you should probably go and buy one.as an artist and writer im honestly appalled at some things being said here. ive been using my main character for... 7?? years. and im still constructing aspects of them. if i were to decide to sell the character dont you think i deserve compensation for spending entire YEARS coming up with everything? people sell commissions for $500 plus and nobody bats an eye. theres nothing different about characters. the more you spend the higher quality it will be. with an expensive character its likely youll get history of the character, multiple art pieces, the weapons or tools it uses, maybe its family tree, etc. had you just been asking and genuinely curious i would understand but it came off very judgey... especially considering the work and time that is put into these characters.
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Post by Leapkit on Mar 26, 2020 19:02:27 GMT -5
I agree with most of that however I think what's mostly being talked about is the characters that use a premade base (or steal a base, i've seen that happen too.) and then don't really do much with it? like they just color it in as a regular animal, maybe add a weird marking and then call it good and ask for a really high price. I've also almost never seen premade adoptables come with any art other than just the ref sheet itself. If they did come with more art and a backstory I'd definitely see the price.
Maybe the people making adoptables I run into are just new at it, or looking for a quick cash grab and don't care about what they're pumping out so long as they get the money. I literally saw someone the other day wanting $50 for a premade on a base that wasn't theirs and it was just a brown/cream gradient with a white star shape. That's the kind of adoptables that make me roll my eyes.
I think creativity and ability should factor into pricing more than hours worked, and I say that as someone who has taken commissions in the past. Like I've had my main 'sona since I was 10. That's 12 years and over half of my lifespan and hypothetically if I was going to sell him, i'd probably take $120. And that's accounting for years worth of art and doodles including 2 paid for comissions. Because he's literally just a gray cat.
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Post by Leapkit on Mar 26, 2020 19:15:17 GMT -5
That bein said suppport your local artists and respect their prices. If it isn't for you then just move on, theres no need to be rude or try to get them to lower the price just because you don't think it's worth it. Unless they're actively stealing things to claim them as their own and make profit it's just rude to bring it up and can tear down the artist's self confidence. Sometimes they are just starting out and need to figure it out on their own.
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