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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 14:46:01 GMT -5
Warriors is so popular, with constant new MAPs, incoming fans, and great fanart, but the other Erin Hunter series barely get love and attention?
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Post by Skypaw13 on Mar 21, 2020 17:15:13 GMT -5
I can't speak for other people, but for me, it's because Warriors was the first, and then when Seekers came out it just wasn't up to the same standard as the Warriors books. So I stopped reading Seekers, and then didn't even have the hype to pick up Survivors or Bravelands.
Honestly, I only read the new Warriors books so I understand what everyone over on WG is talking about at any given moment. I don't actually care, at least not the same way I care about the early books. I would happily discuss the first four arcs without ever even knowing there was anything past them.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 21, 2020 19:22:26 GMT -5
because the other series weren't written as well
and warriors isn't a literary masterpiece to begin with, so
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 21, 2020 20:18:11 GMT -5
probably bc warriors deals with a popular animal species that isn't overdone. bears aren't that popular and dog books are a dime a dozen
also i haven't read survivors so i can't comment on how well-written it is but seekers is literally just every warriors traveling book but with bears instead. all the characters are REALLY bland too except for the main three and the evil cub guy from the second series. the writing quality is about on par with PO3/OOTS too bc it was written around that time. its a huge shame bc i think a book series about bears could be really cool if it was given more worldbuilding and the characters were more fleshed out
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Post by Leapkit on Mar 22, 2020 1:07:38 GMT -5
I tried reading Seekers and couldn't get past chapter 5 because I was so frickin bored.
I haven't tried Survivors bc I don't like dogs and I keep forgetting Bravelands even exists.
I'm also a warriors genwunner. I love the first arc, and I hate the lake. There's so much lore and more interesting stuff they could have kept exploring in whitehart woods for just as long or at least more than only the first series and some special editions, and cats with powers are bullshit. I stopped reading at the first couple books of Oots and everything I've picked up that's happened since from warriors general sounds bonkers.
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Post by Cosmos on Mar 22, 2020 2:19:38 GMT -5
Seekers creeped me the hell out when I tried reading it Just bad vibe central
In Survivors case; I don’t like dogs and had no interest in reading a book about dogs My sister loved it though
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 22, 2020 12:19:53 GMT -5
I did read the first Survivors book and found it kinda childishly written. Like all the characters acted like 7 year olds. the world-building was shallow. the style was just bland. it was super frustrating to read and i didnt pick it up again.
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How come
Mar 22, 2020 14:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by Leapkit on Mar 22, 2020 14:25:58 GMT -5
I did read the first Survivors book and found it kinda childishly written. Like all the characters acted like 7 year olds. the world-building was shallow. the style was just bland. it was super frustrating to read and i didnt pick it up again. Dont most dogs always act like foolish children?
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 22, 2020 15:58:26 GMT -5
I did read the first Survivors book and found it kinda childishly written. Like all the characters acted like 7 year olds. the world-building was shallow. the style was just bland. it was super frustrating to read and i didnt pick it up again. Dont most dogs always act like foolish children? Depends on the dog Unfortunately most people only notice the undisciplined ones But regardless, it was more like how the characters expressed and processed emotion. It was very one-dimensional. There was a whole lot of problem solving that would immediately be undone 4 pages later by stupid actions. i specifically remember one scene where the MC (Lucky?) came up with a democratic way of solving disagreements amongst his stupid dog friends called the way of four paws and its built up as like this grand thing that will be lasting throughout the series. then they immediately say "o this doesnt work" a chapter later. lame.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 22, 2020 18:08:30 GMT -5
Dont most dogs always act like foolish children? Depends on the dog Unfortunately most people only notice the undisciplined ones But regardless, it was more like how the characters expressed and processed emotion. It was very one-dimensional. There was a whole lot of problem solving that would immediately be undone 4 pages later by stupid actions. i specifically remember one scene where the MC (Lucky?) came up with a democratic way of solving disagreements amongst his stupid dog friends called the way of four paws and its built up as like this grand thing that will be lasting throughout the series. then they immediately say "o this doesnt work" a chapter later. lame. i was trying to remember what annoyed me about survivors and you hit the nail on the head lol. dogs aren't anywhere near as stupid as the erins think they are
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Post by VIXENCLAW on Mar 22, 2020 19:21:28 GMT -5
I agree with the first Survivors arc being very “meh.” I remember when I first read it I really wanted to like it since I love dogs, but I could only get through the first two books before quitting. I ended up picking up the last two books in the arc later and read them, they were pretty decent. The second arc of Survivors was actually really good imo. Red Moon Rising (the fourth(?) book in the arc) is my favorite out of all the Erin Hunter books, and altogether this arc is better then the good majority of the Warriors ones. I think they switched from having a couple authors to just one, if I remember correctly, so the writing seemed a lot more consistent which really improved the quality of books. The protagonist for the second arc is also much better. Lucky was okay I guess, but he always felt a little boring. He was supposed to be this smart, savvy dog, but he only seemed to be that when the plot called for it. He was pretty dumb a lot of times and it felt really out of character. Storm, the second arc protagonist, is wayyy more interesting. She’s a “Fierce Dog” (Doberman pinscher), and they were the antagonists of the first arc. A lot of the dogs in the pack still don’t trust her very well so it sets up some pretty interesting character dynamics. She was a much more consistent character then Lucky was, and a better one too. The second arc also had a way better plot then the first one. The first one seemed really similar to some of the Warriors ones, just not as well written. The second arc was mainly a murder mystery, so it’s really different from any of the other Erin Hunter series and I enjoy that. It’s not a bad mystery, either. The dogs also aren’t as stupid in the second arc either lmao
i wasn’t expecting to go type up a multi paragraph message abt survivors tonight but oh well
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Post by Sundance on Mar 23, 2020 2:23:37 GMT -5
I think it's because cats are so popular, and Warriors has such strong, unique wordbuilding. (Notice, so many bestselling, multi-million-dollar series have their characters divided into groups. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Divergent, etc., just as Warriors does with the four "Clans." Something about that just seems to click with people.)
I enjoyed Seekers and Survivors, but I feel like they don't have enough going for them to truly set them apart from other Middle Grade books.
With Seekers - while I LOVED the first arc, the second seemed so redundant. I couldn't finish it. The plot went in circles, it was glaringly bare (pun intended, har har) With Survivors - from what I can remember, the writing in the first book was more childish than Warriors, which put me off slightly (and potentially others too...) But I found the second book amazing. Alpha is one of my favorite Erin Hunter characters by far. In the top 10.
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 23, 2020 12:45:44 GMT -5
Seekers: Depressing and boring.
Warriors: A little better, despite the inconsistencies. Cats are pretty popular, so it doesn't surprise me that Warriors gets a lot of attention.
Survivors: I've only read a preview of the first book a while ago, and I think it reminded me of Seekers.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 23, 2020 13:26:59 GMT -5
im kind of surprised everyone here hates seekers lol. I don't remember there being anything really hatable about it, it was just bland as hell. (I used to be a huge fan of it too but I think I only liked it bc I liked bears a lot)
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Mar 23, 2020 14:37:47 GMT -5
It's been a LONG time since i've read any of the books tbh, but I remember not really liking any characters in either Seekers and Survivors. Never read the Bravelands one. Like, Firestar imo was at least a bit likable. Enough to keep me interested that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 19:22:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the insight, y'all. I might check out Survivors, though, I love both dogs and cats.
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