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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 23, 2020 6:47:38 GMT -5
i mean we're obviously using different definitions of strength here so i think we should agree to disagree I agree with you, I think for the most part the strongest cats in the series are between Tigerstar or Firestar tbh. I know the Erins confirmed, via "word of god" that Tigerstar is the strongest, but in the actual canon Firestar does defeat him at the end of the last hope. This is why I wanted to see the Tiger vs Lion battle in the first series, it would have properly settle things to a more satisfying conclusion, but in the end it was more or less wasted. I was really disappointed we never got to see them fight either...it was literally what the whole arc was building up to?? Iirc Vicky said they were originally going to fight till she changed plans.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 23, 2020 6:58:08 GMT -5
I agree with you, I think for the most part the strongest cats in the series are between Tigerstar or Firestar tbh. I know the Erins confirmed, via "word of god" that Tigerstar is the strongest, but in the actual canon Firestar does defeat him at the end of the last hope. This is why I wanted to see the Tiger vs Lion battle in the first series, it would have properly settle things to a more satisfying conclusion, but in the end it was more or less wasted. I was really disappointed we never got to see them fight either...it was literally what the whole arc was building up to?? Iirc Vicky said they were originally going to fight till she changed plans. Agreed, the changes felt so out of no where, last minute and honestly dumb. It destroyed all the build up leading to it, and the replacement villain, imo, didn't have the same effect in the narrative to me as Tigerstar did. It just felt like...weak writing?
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Mar 23, 2020 7:22:41 GMT -5
I was really disappointed we never got to see them fight either...it was literally what the whole arc was building up to?? Iirc Vicky said they were originally going to fight till she changed plans. Agreed, the changes felt so out of no where, last minute and honestly dumb. It destroyed all the build up leading to it, and the replacement villain, imo, didn't have the same effect in the narrative to me as Tigerstar did. It just felt like...weak writing? Tbh, I don’t like Scourge much as a villain, so having the FireTiger battle cut short for a cringy, over exaggerated and unrealistic villain was just a really unsatisfying ending to the series. I wouldn’t mind the ‘plot twist’ as much as long as they made Scourge more believable/ charismatic/ enjoyable. Also sorry, I realise I’m going off topic
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Post by halogen on Mar 23, 2020 9:13:46 GMT -5
I personally neither liked the Scourge twist nor the idea of everything just leading up to a bog-standard Firestar vs. Tigerstar battle. I think the Erins recognized it would be a little overdone but realized so at the last minute when it was too late to build up something else, so they made a contrived twist that was worse than just having it happen the expected way. If they wanted a twist, it would have worked better to still have a final battle against TigerClan and all and have Firestar still play a huge role, but maybe make another Clan cat strike the final blow against Tigerstar (given that there were a lot of cats who wanted him dead at this point!) Though I did like the aspect where Scourge not having nine lives haas his downfall and all and the way it concluded all of the series' themes of faith, Firestar being an outsider, etc. and how it gave Barley a backstory and role.- it could have worked if Scourge was built up better (and also wasn't made so ridiculous with how he killed Tigerstar, etc.)
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 23, 2020 12:49:34 GMT -5
i mean we're obviously using different definitions of strength here so i think we should agree to disagree I agree with you, I think for the most part the strongest cats in the series are between Tigerstar or Firestar tbh. I know the Erins confirmed, via "word of god" that Tigerstar is the strongest, but in the actual canon Firestar does defeat him at the end of the last hope. This is why I wanted to see the Tiger vs Lion battle in the first series, it would have properly settle things to a more satisfying conclusion, but in the end it was more or less wasted. oh same. idk why the erins didn't do that to begin with bc they love cliches
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Post by halogen on Mar 23, 2020 13:46:32 GMT -5
Would any DOTC cats end up on this list?
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 23, 2020 14:31:54 GMT -5
Would any DOTC cats end up on this list? I don't think they ever face any competition quite like the modern clans, they are after all only a few generations removed from the utter incompetence of the Tribe. The clans have had much, much more time to refine their fighting skills. It's kind of like how modern MMA fighters would utterly destroy the early pioneers because the early pioneers simply didn't practice with such strong competition nor know as many techniques or tricks. DOTC Warriors were only just transitioning to a war society, compared to the modern clans they are green and inexperienced.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 23, 2020 23:57:23 GMT -5
Would any DOTC cats end up on this list? The only one that comes to mind is One Eye, took like what three cats to kill him?
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Post by stormfall on Mar 24, 2020 14:12:06 GMT -5
We can all agree a few thing in general, Thunderclan has the best fighters, whereas some clans like Skyclan and Windclan have almost no champion fighters at this point. I think that after the current arc we will know more about cats like Hawkwing, and Tigerstar 2. We also realize that some cats are too inconsistent to add to the list, like Lionblaze and Breezepelt. At the same time there is almost no way to make a true tier list of the best fighters in Warriors because of too many factors, as well as a lack of data. Heres my list: 1) Firestar, we have only really seen him lose like 3 times in his life 2) Scourge, he beats Tigerstar, Firestar once, Onewisker, and Cloudtail 3) Tigerstar 2, he beat everyone other than the two above him, he is also massive 4,5,6) Hawkfrost, Ivypool, or Hollyleaf, just pick one they all have incredible feats 7)Graystripe 8-12) You can really put anyone else found on these lists here for me, anyone else listed on a list here has one good fight for them, like Cloudtail, Bramblestar, Onestar, or Lionblaze, but at the same time there are asterisks attached to those fights. Talent seems to fall off quickly after about the 7th spot. Tigerstar 2? What impressive fights has he won? You mean Tigerstar 1? Ya your right, I totally messed that up. I meant Tigerstar 1, thanks for catching that!
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Post by ❄️Frøstflåmë🔥 on Apr 16, 2020 21:50:21 GMT -5
1. Quiet Rain, Clear Sky and Gray wing's mother. She had the courage to scold Clear Sky. 2. Squirrelflight, because she was able to lie to her whole clan (except Leafpool) that Lionblaze, Jayfeather and Hollyleaf were her kits.
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Post by ❄️Frøstflåmë🔥 on Apr 16, 2020 21:51:44 GMT -5
Would any DOTC cats end up on this list? The only one that comes to mind is One Eye, took like what three cats to kill him? Not really. Quiet Rain stood up to a clan leader, her son Clear Sky.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 16, 2020 22:33:00 GMT -5
1. Quiet Rain, Clear Sky and Gray wing's mother. She had the courage to scold Clear Sky. 2. Squirrelflight, because she was able to lie to her whole clan (except Leafpool) that Lionblaze, Jayfeather and Hollyleaf were her kits. I'm fairly sure the thread's about fighting strength, not moral courage.
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Post by ❄️Frøstflåmë🔥 on Apr 17, 2020 2:48:43 GMT -5
1. Quiet Rain, Clear Sky and Gray wing's mother. She had the courage to scold Clear Sky. 2. Squirrelflight, because she was able to lie to her whole clan (except Leafpool) that Lionblaze, Jayfeather and Hollyleaf were her kits. I'm fairly sure the thread's about fighting strength, not moral courage. Well, there's nothing specifying that, so I advise you to back the h*** off.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 17, 2020 9:44:35 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure the thread's about fighting strength, not moral courage. Well, there's nothing specifying that, so I advise you to back the h*** off. Given the OP has the likes of Scourge, Tigerstar, Hawkfrost, and Onestar on the list, all of whom have very, very little moral courage, I'm fairly certain it's very clear what the OP's intention was.
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Post by titanfall on Dec 24, 2020 10:17:34 GMT -5
5. Hollyleaf - As has been said, the fandom does her a gross disservice by having Hawkfrost slaughter her. She was not slaughtered at all, in fact she basically crippled his fighting ability afterwards and left him limping and unable to see in one eye. She may have lost her life, but she gave as good as she got against him. It's something worthy of putting her high. THANK YOU anyways hasn't it been confirmed that Tigerstar was the strongest? also i don't think lionblaze deserves to have a super high ranking bc he was only "strong" bc of his stupidly OP powers. we don't really know how strong he is without them. plus like vectoring said, his strength was so inconsistent it's hard to really determine a rank for him, he's like the cat version of Ash's Pikachu. I'm not saying he's weak or average or anything but still Ok, sure he is inconsistent, but his power is not being hurt IN BATTLE. Which means all feats of actual strength are his own. And he picked up a flipping tree, granted for a short time. But he startled dustpelt in doing so, and he was a tiger star follower. So he saw strength all the time. And to shock Him I something.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Dec 24, 2020 12:56:25 GMT -5
THANK YOU anyways hasn't it been confirmed that Tigerstar was the strongest? also i don't think lionblaze deserves to have a super high ranking bc he was only "strong" bc of his stupidly OP powers. we don't really know how strong he is without them. plus like vectoring said, his strength was so inconsistent it's hard to really determine a rank for him, he's like the cat version of Ash's Pikachu. I'm not saying he's weak or average or anything but still Ok, sure he is inconsistent, but his power is not being hurt IN BATTLE. Which means all feats of actual strength are his own. And he picked up a flipping tree, granted for a short time. But he startled dustpelt in doing so, and he was a tiger star follower. So he saw strength all the time. And to shock Him I something. Please stop necroposting (posting in a thread over a month old).
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