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Post by lazy penguin on Mar 16, 2020 15:08:34 GMT -5
haha i'm probably in the minority but i would love to read a leopardstar super edition. while it's not 'modern' riverclan, i still think it would be a nice change of pace to focus on a clan we rarely see. and i feel like there's a ton of material for an interesting story without having to retcon a bunch of things. plus i've always found leopard to be an interesting character so seeing some reasoning behind the decisions she's made would be cool.
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Post by *Faith* on Mar 16, 2020 15:25:49 GMT -5
When I first saw the choices, I was so confused as to why Blackstar was there. He's getting his own novella, so he doesn't really need a SE. Between Leopardstar and Onestar, I wouldn't mind either cat. But I chose Leopardstar. We need another RC SE, Kate is writing the one coming out in 2021 and Leopardstar is her favourite leader and has stated once before that she would love to write more on her and said at one point that she could use a SE.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Mar 16, 2020 15:32:12 GMT -5
Ah, okay. Thanks, Uмвяᴀ . I don't have The Ultimate Guide so I didn't know about that. It kinda makes me even more disappointed in Leopardstar. What is it with female characters screwing up partly because of (romantic) love? Yes, it's done with male characters too but it seems to happen to she-cats more often. Or maybe I'm just imagining it.
This arguably isn't canon quite yet. Anything said by the authors is suspect because they do not have full control over what goes into the books and the Ultimate Guide is infamous for getting Ashfur's death wrong. Both sources also spoke in a speculative tone with "most likely" and "perhaps" suggesting that they were not really sure themselves. And even if she was in love with Tigerstar, it was not her driving motivation. My quote from TUG was taken a little out of context. Here's the quote in full: She actually shared Tigerstar's ideals (or at least what Tigerstar said his ideals were. He just wanted power). This quote also implies less that she is in love with Tigerstar and more that she wants the power that comes from becoming his mate. Essentially, she is like Tigerstar but not/less evil. Secrets of the Clans has a section with Leopardstar justifying her decision that basically says the same thing. The books suggest that she lusts after Tigerstar's power and ideals more than she lusts after Tigerstar himself.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 16, 2020 15:44:23 GMT -5
I rather have a Onestar SE than a Leopardstar one I feel she's gotten so much attention and I want to get into his head about what he was thinking.
I'd like a Rowanstar SE too, honestly.
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Post by Pineclaw on Mar 16, 2020 15:46:09 GMT -5
That would make much more sense. And I definitely remember her justification in Secrets of the Clans. I would really prefer it if Leopardstar was less interested in Tigerstar himself than in the power that would come from joining forces with him and becoming his mate. It's so much more in character for her.
Still, Vicky's suggestion kinda makes it seem like 'Well, wanting power and sharing Tigerstar's ideals and fearing him isn't enough, there must have been actual love involved!' Then again I'm just some aro who's annoyed at the fact that people just have to throw love at everyone and everything. So really, that could be just my bias speaking Yeah, the Ultimate Guide being kinda unreliable is probably the main reason why I still don't have it.
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Post by Hawkflower on Mar 16, 2020 18:14:13 GMT -5
I wish Blackstar could get an SE, but it makes absolutely no sense for him to be an option since he’s already getting a novella. Leopardstar is my pick, then.
Am I the only one that feels weird about fan’s voting for content? And if they’re giving us options, I guess we have a right to say if we don’t like any of the current options.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 16, 2020 20:13:06 GMT -5
ive always preferred the idea that leopardstar was more in love with tigerstar's power than tigerstar himself, so if her super edition went that route I'd probably like it. knowing the erins though that isn't likely
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 16, 2020 20:14:47 GMT -5
ive always preferred the idea that leopardstar was more in love with tigerstar's power than tigerstar himself, so if her super edition went that route I'd probably like it. knowing the erins though that isn't likely “Tigerstar i love you but I can’t have you 😩” is what they’d write about for her entire 500 pages, the Erins love their romance plots
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 16, 2020 20:18:00 GMT -5
ive always preferred the idea that leopardstar was more in love with tigerstar's power than tigerstar himself, so if her super edition went that route I'd probably like it. knowing the erins though that isn't likely “Tigerstar i love you but I can’t have you 😩” is what they’d write about for her entire 500 pages, the Erins love their romance plots and if they DID make her genuinely in love with him I might be able to tolerate it if they make their dynamic interesting, but again, knowing them it'll probably be "oh tigerstar i love you so much <3.<3" for 400 pages and the last 100 her being sad that he didn't love her
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 16, 2020 20:22:49 GMT -5
“Tigerstar i love you but I can’t have you 😩” is what they’d write about for her entire 500 pages, the Erins love their romance plots and if they DID make her genuinely in love with him I might be able to tolerate it if they make their dynamic interesting, but again, knowing them it'll probably be "oh tigerstar i love you so much <3.<3" for 400 pages and the last 100 her being sad that he didn't love her I hate how accurate this is.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 16, 2020 20:36:53 GMT -5
and if they DID make her genuinely in love with him I might be able to tolerate it if they make their dynamic interesting, but again, knowing them it'll probably be "oh tigerstar i love you so much <3.<3" for 400 pages and the last 100 her being sad that he didn't love her I hate how accurate this is. its sad how predictable they are
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Post by Fireleap on Mar 16, 2020 21:35:33 GMT -5
i kind of wish they'd just went ahead and given blackstar a super edition rather than a short novella. i'm worried his novella will focus on starclan pushing him into the noble leader role rather than blackstar himself stepping up and questioning his past actions, and trying to work towards being a better cat. i went for leopardstar since i'm hungry for more riverclan, and she's always fascinated me. i'd rather see some onestar backstory within a darktail super edition, especially considering that onestar is really consistently insufferable. and a shitty mate. at least there's potential behind what little we know of leopardstar's character. it's kinda funny how people have soured towards super editions about cats from the past/cats that are dead, because that used to be the norm when it came to the first couple of super editions. Personally, I'd love to see more SE's focused on the past, but I hate that these are the options we're given :/
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Post by halogen on Mar 17, 2020 11:20:44 GMT -5
The way I've seen Leopardstar is that she was an ambitious cat who wanted to do more for her Clan as leader than just quietly rule over them, she wanted to change her Clan's life in a big way for the better and be the greatest leader RiverClan ever had, and when Tigerstar came along and offered an opportunity to make the Clans be never at war again, offering a new path that made a lot of sense, well, she signed up. Especially when Tigerstar himself was a cat who seemed so much like her in his ambition that went beyond just wanting leadership, and especially when she shared a bit of his xenophobia as well (look at how she was with Graystripe) though she would have never gone that far on her own. And then when it becomes clear Tigerstar just wants to dominate everyone and abuses her Clan so much, she just can't admit to herself and to her Clan that she not only wasn't a great leader who would bring her Clan into a peaceful new era, but was a horrible leader who willingly sold her Clan into this nightmare, and so she does nothing out of her pride, her fear - and maybe a little hope that if she keeps holding on things will turn out well after all. And then when Tigerstar dies she knows it's too late for that, and she has to return to her Clan knowing she is forever tainted, not even trusting herself anymore.
I hope they portray her like this if she has a super edition and not just in love with Tigerstar or whatever.
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Post by Moonblazer on Mar 17, 2020 13:56:26 GMT -5
Now if the options were between Kestrelflight or Harestar, Rowanstar and Reedwhisker, I would have a hella hard time choosing.
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Post by platinum blond death on Mar 17, 2020 14:07:10 GMT -5
i kind of wish they'd just went ahead and given blackstar a super edition rather than a short novella. i'm worried his novella will focus on starclan pushing him into the noble leader role rather than blackstar himself stepping up and questioning his past actions, and trying to work towards being a better cat. i went for leopardstar since i'm hungry for more riverclan, and she's always fascinated me. i'd rather see some onestar backstory within a darktail super edition, especially considering that onestar is really consistently insufferable. and a shitty mate. at least there's potential behind what little we know of leopardstar's character. it's kinda funny how people have soured towards super editions about cats from the past/cats that are dead, because that used to be the norm when it came to the first couple of super editions. The way I see it, the older SEs were a bit more welcome because we barely knew anything about the cats featured in the SEs, save for their lives ITW onwards. However, each cat here has known lives (except for Onestar) because we see their lives from PoVs in their respective Clans. We know Leopardstar's backstory, we've seen Blackstar's life. Sure, seeing it from their PoV is nice and all, but what's the point if it's regurgitating CP or YS? Also we know they will make Leopardstar's SE about her love for Tigerstar, and Onestar's will be about his uwu eyes for Smoke. Blackstar is already getting a novella; he doesn't need one.
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Post by *Faith* on Mar 17, 2020 15:18:38 GMT -5
The Blackstar novella sounds like it will take place in between TDH and FQ. A SE... I'm not sure when it would take place. During the first series? During the time Sol took over his Clan?
A Leopardstar SE would most likely take place during the first series. And if it does, I want to know more about Whiteclaw. I mean, that probably won't happen. But Leopardstar was really upset over Whiteclaw's death and he was apparently her apprentice.
A Onestar SE would most likely take place in the old forest and be about him and Smoke.
Regardless of who the SE is about, the one thing I want most of all is to learn all about families and see who's related to who.
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 17, 2020 15:55:59 GMT -5
Does this mean that the next SE will indeed focus on one of these 3 cats? imo none of these guys should get it... It seems like it, unfortunately.
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Post by Hopewish on Mar 21, 2020 20:48:19 GMT -5
wh- why is Blackstar winning
he already has a novella coming
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 22, 2020 1:25:45 GMT -5
Blackstar is winning? Cursed poll.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 22, 2020 3:03:39 GMT -5
I want a Riverstar SE. :T
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Post by Sundance on Mar 22, 2020 9:14:31 GMT -5
What in the world ...... I thought when I checked the poll mid-evening yesterday Leopardstar was in the lead, with Onestar close behind, and Blackstar in third by nearly ten digits. But I could easily be mistaken, my memories not clear, I just swear it wasn’t this close. o_O
I gotta wonder if any popular artists in the fandom pushed for his SE to account for this sudden jump. Or it’s rigged.
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 22, 2020 10:54:04 GMT -5
Leopardstar is back in the lead!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 11:04:24 GMT -5
Leopardstat is back in the lead!! You say that like it's a good thing lol
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 22, 2020 11:08:38 GMT -5
I had to literally yell about this poll on Tumblr because of the whole amount of "what" I was feeling about th current results regarding Blackstar so I wonder if that helped skew it back o him not leading. lol
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Post by Stonetoe on Mar 22, 2020 11:38:01 GMT -5
I hope Leopardstar. I like her best of any cat.
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 22, 2020 13:58:44 GMT -5
Leopardstat is back in the lead!! You say that like it's a good thing lol Because it is...?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 14:06:06 GMT -5
You say that like it's a good thing lol Because it is...? It was a joke, because Leopardstar sucks.
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