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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 15:51:04 GMT -5
unpopular warrior opinions that you have and want to share, i'll share one of mine.
needletail was not a good friend to violetshine at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:07:32 GMT -5
1. Ravenwing gets WAY too much hate...I've heard all the arguments, and my stance isn't changing.
2. Sandynose wasn't a bad mentor.
3. I feel like some background characters, like Minnowtail, Sedgewhisker, etc, only get the attention they do, like people wanting them to be deputy/leader, is because they're she-cats, and only because they're she-cats. I think that if they were toms, they would hardly get a second glance from the fandom.
4. I like Tigerheart, Cedarstar, Stonetooth, Hawkheart, and a lot of other characters that not very many people like.
5. I didn't really like Tallstar's Revenge or Bluestar's Prophecy, and their respective SEs, made me like both of them less.
6. Yellowfang's Secret is my favorite SE and Tigerclaw's Fury is my favorite novella.
7. I think Blackstar gets too much credit..he was a good leader, I guess, but he was also willing to turn his back on StarClan, and even before Sol, he was going to have his clan stay behind and live like rogues, when the forest started getting torn apart.
8. I like Oakheart better than Crookedstar.
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Mar 14, 2020 16:30:40 GMT -5
Graystripe is overrated and lacks personality other than 'funny best friend.' Hollyleaf is also overrated imo, her development was so prolonged and generally she was unbearable throughout most of POT.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:36:02 GMT -5
Graystripe is overrated and lacks personality other than 'funny best friend.' Hollyleaf is also overrated imo, her development was so prolonged and generally she was unbearable throughout most of POT. I agree about Hollyleaf..she seemed to have a lot of development during an apprentice, but everything that made her unique and interesting, like her being a REALLY good fighter, caring enough about another clan, to break the rules to go and see them, etc, all went out the window as soon as she became a warrior, and her whole character started to center around The Warrior Code, until the truth about her parents were revealed.
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Post by halogen on Mar 14, 2020 16:52:32 GMT -5
Graystripe is overrated and lacks personality other than 'funny best friend.' Hollyleaf is also overrated imo, her development was so prolonged and generally she was unbearable throughout most of POT. I agree about Hollyleaf..she seemed to have a lot of development during an apprentice, but everything that made her unique and interesting, like her being a REALLY good fighter, caring enough about another clan, to break the rules to go and see them, etc, all went out the window as soon as she became a warrior, and her whole character started to center around The Warrior Code, until the truth about her parents were revealed. To be fair, there was only one book between her becoming a warrior and the secret being revealed... I feel like everyone who says Hollyleaf is badly written because she was only interesting as an apprentice is forgetting just how long she was an apprentice. Yeah, I feel like with Hollyleaf they wrote a certain character based on the concept of her having powers, and her downfall having to do with those powers (and the whole parentage thing was always planned, but I think it was supposed to be one of many factors). When they decided she wouldn't have powers and her downfall would be entirely based on her being upset about who her parents were, they had to overemphasize her code following to explain why she would react so extremely, to the expense of the rest of her character. Fortunately the decision to make her not have powers came late enough in the game that we got several books of well-written Hollyleaf.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:55:55 GMT -5
I agree about Hollyleaf..she seemed to have a lot of development during an apprentice, but everything that made her unique and interesting, like her being a REALLY good fighter, caring enough about another clan, to break the rules to go and see them, etc, all went out the window as soon as she became a warrior, and her whole character started to center around The Warrior Code, until the truth about her parents were revealed. To be fair, there was only one book between her becoming a warrior and the secret being revealed... I feel like everyone who says Hollyleaf is badly written because she was only interesting as an apprentice is forgetting just how long she was an apprentice. Yeah, I feel like with Hollyleaf they wrote a certain character based on the concept of her having powers, and her downfall having to do with those powers (and the whole parentage thing was always planned, but I think it was supposed to be one of many factors). When they decided she wouldn't have powers and her downfall would be entirely based on her being upset about who her parents were, they had to overemphasize her code following to explain why she would react so extremely, to the expense of the rest of her character. Fortunately the decision to make her not have powers came late enough in the game that we got several books of well-written Hollyleaf. Wow really? Only one? It felt like it dragged on foreverrr it took me a month to read The Power of Three, whereas it took me less than a week to read both The Prophecy Begins and The New Prophecy. Then again, Jayfeather's attitude always contributed to why I could hardly get through POT, I can't believe it was just one book where Hollyleaf was super boring though..wow. I think that was a really bad choice, to not give her powers, it was really lame, I wonder how she would have handled it if she had Dovewing's powers, instead of Dovewing.
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Post by kells on Mar 14, 2020 17:52:57 GMT -5
Scourge is a great villain 1v1 me if you think otherwise
Secondly, Tigerstar and Hawkfrost were also decent villains. Not every bad guy has to have a complex, vengeful motive, but I can also agree there's a bit of power/battle-hungry villains out there.
Gray Wing was probably the most boring POV I've ever read, second being Lionblaze.
Thunder is insufferable
Traveling arcs are fun as long as its not twolegplace
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Post by platinum blond death on Mar 14, 2020 18:38:13 GMT -5
Bramblexsquirrel is unhealthy and should be broken up asap.
Rowanstar was a bad leader during AVoS.
RD doesn't suck that much aside from the inconsistencies and the debt thing.
SL's Quick Water plot thing was rushed and a bit unneeded.
Neither Bramble nor Squirrel were in the right in SQH
The "born evil" shit is stupid and I hate it.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 19:22:17 GMT -5
Needletail wasn't a hero/good friend.
Rowanstar didn't deserve what happened to him.
Crowfrost would have been a better leader than Tigerheart.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 19:56:29 GMT -5
Needletail wasn't a hero/good friend. Rowanstar didn't deserve what happened to him. Crowfrost would have been a better leader than Tigerheart. i agree with all of these.
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 14, 2020 21:01:35 GMT -5
OOTS, POT, and the latter half of AVOS aren't as insufferable and terrible as everyone preaches they are.
Tigerstar II isn't that terrible of a character, and I'm not against him becoming leader of ShadowClan.
Hollyleaf wasn't that exciting to read about during POT. Lionblaze and Jayfeather were more enjoyable to read.
Cats shouldn't be appointing their close kin as deputy unless there's a valid reason for it.
Needletail was a very crummy person to Violetshine and Violetshine shouldn't have named her daughter after her.
Twigbranch > Violetshine.
Not against Reedwhisker becoming the leader of RiverClan after Mistystar (if she ever dies lol) since it might give him some personality.
Bramblestar and Squirrelflight either need to get their shit together or break up.
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 14, 2020 21:46:40 GMT -5
Needletail wasn't that great. Violetshine was okay until Twigbranch decided to return to ThunderClan. From then on I get annoyed whenever she shows up. I'm sick of the theory that Ashfur might be the impostor. I really hate it and hope Ashfur has nothing to do with the insanity in TBC. We didn't need another Tigerstar. The Sisters were just as terrible as the Clans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 21:48:56 GMT -5
Do people actually like Needletail? A lot of the unpopular opinions I've seen on this thread, mention how she wasn't that great, but I only know of one person that I can remember seeing say that they like her lol
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 14, 2020 21:50:59 GMT -5
Do people actually like Needletail? A lot of the unpopular opinions I've seen on this thread, mention how she wasn't that great, but I only know of one person that I can remember seeing say that they like her lol i'd say like half the fandom likes her and half dislikes her
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 21:56:10 GMT -5
Do people actually like Needletail? A lot of the unpopular opinions I've seen on this thread, mention how she wasn't that great, but I only know of one person that I can remember seeing say that they like her lol i'd say like half the fandom likes her and half dislikes her Oh wow really? I guess the half that likes her isn't on here lol. Or maybe I just haven't noticed most of them
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swin
the most inactive
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Post by swin on Mar 14, 2020 23:47:54 GMT -5
Tawnypelt's kids aren't that bad
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Post by platinum blond death on Mar 15, 2020 0:39:20 GMT -5
OOTS, POT, and the latter half of AVOS aren't as insufferable and terrible as everyone preaches they are. Tigerstar II isn't that terrible of a character, and I'm not against him becoming leader of ShadowClan. Hollyleaf wasn't that exciting to read about during POT. Lionblaze and Jayfeather were more enjoyable to read. Cats shouldn't be appointing their close kin as deputy unless there's a valid reason for it. Needletail was a very crummy person to Violetshine and Violetshine shouldn't have named her daughter after her. Twigbranch > Violetshine. Not against Reedwhisker becoming the leader of RiverClan after Mistystar (if she ever dies lol) since it might give him some personality. Bramblestar and Squirrelflight either need to get their shit together or break up. I definitely agree with the not appointing kin as deputy and Reedwhisker as leader part. I'd even go as far to say no friends either unless you both know you can handle each other well. At least in history, there's a few examples of rulers appointing friends in high places and then the consequences are bad.
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Post by crowspirit on Mar 15, 2020 8:30:05 GMT -5
I don't know if mine are really unpopular... But here they are.
Needletail is one of my favourite characters, but she's neither a hero nor a good friend. I still like Thistleclaw, but what he did in Spottedleaf's Heart especially was nowhere near okay. Crowfeather is my favourite character, but all his ships are bad. I liked Yellowfang's Secret and Tigerheart's Shadow. I don't really like Oakheart that much. I have nothing against the fact that Briarlight lived so long. I don't think Stormfur and Brook is Stockholm Syndrome, and I like the two of them together. When they were apprentices, Lionblaze was my favourite out of the three, but after that he became so aroggant and battle hungry and my liking for him went downhill. I liked Power of Three. I hope StarClan never returns.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 15, 2020 11:16:30 GMT -5
Some more.
I don't think Bluestar was that great of a leader. I think SH should be retconned because not only did it not make sense for Thistleclaw, but it didn't make sense for Spottedleaf. CrowLeaf's original development wasn't great but they are now the best ship Dawnpelt is the best of Tawnypelt's kits Mothpool and BlossomIvy are painfully overrated I like HalfJay AND FallenHolly
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Post by nightstep on Mar 16, 2020 12:44:08 GMT -5
Mine is probably that in almost every case, I prefer the new covers to the old ones.
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Post by Rio on Mar 18, 2020 8:31:39 GMT -5
Needletail is best girl. (Almost) Everyone else lacks flaws and is pretty boring. Needletail was refreshing.
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Mar 18, 2020 11:26:08 GMT -5
Needletail is best girl. (Almost) Everyone else lacks flaws and is pretty boring. Needletail was refreshing. Same here. Whilst I disagree with some/most of her actions, i think she a well written character who made rash decisions that impacted those around her. Whilst I think she was both a crappy role model and friend for Violetshine, I still love their relationship - it’s so complicated and dysfunctional but they both clearly care for each other. There aren’t many characters that have such conflicting morals and questionable motives as her, and I appreciate a controversial character once in a while.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Mar 18, 2020 12:12:10 GMT -5
i hated needletail at first but she grew on me a lot for the reason laputani said. she's actually a morally complex character in a series that doesn't have a whole lot of them. i like clear sky for similar reasons, although his development was really inconsistent
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Post by whiteflight on Mar 18, 2020 13:55:18 GMT -5
The only ones I can think that's probably unpopular is I like Crowfeather and I hate SqurrilexBramble.
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Post by mocatstar on Mar 19, 2020 1:48:36 GMT -5
I hate leafpool. She's too wrapped up in her own problems she doesn't realise how much she hurts others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 12:53:57 GMT -5
I have more.
1. I don't think Squirrelflight has really had as hard of a life as people say, yeah, bad stuff has happened in her life, and some cats close to her have died, but A LOT of good things have happened to her too. I mean, both her parents lived to see her become a warrior, her mother even got to live to see her become deputy. She has two wonderful kits, and two wonderful grandkits, I know Leafpool died, but she still got to live a long life with her. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we should just ignore the bad parts of her life, because of all the good parts, I'm just saying, that I don't think she has suffered the most out of any cat in the series.
2. I don't think Juniperclaw was a bad guy.
3. I don't want the impostor to be Ashfur, because he's a pathetic character, if it is him, then he's dragging down ALL the clans, because he has a grudge against ONE character, one character who rejected him SEVERAL years ago. However, if it's Ashfur, and all the other cats that ever got rejected..then that'd be pretty cool, the last book can be called Revenge of the Rejects.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 12:58:07 GMT -5
I hate leafpool. She's too wrapped up in her own problems she doesn't realise how much she hurts others. lots of cats are like this, and leafpool is a good example.
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Aroace
#90ec86
Name Colour
Pineclaw
Pronouns: He/Him or They/Them
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Post by Pineclaw on Mar 19, 2020 13:04:52 GMT -5
3. I don't want the impostor to be Ashfur, because he's a pathetic character, if it is him, then he's dragging down ALL the clans, because he has a grudge against ONE character, one character who rejected him SEVERAL years ago. However, if it's Ashfur, and all the other cats that ever got rejected..then that'd be pretty cool, the last book can be called Revenge of the Rejects. Same. I don't want the imposter to be pathetic little Ashfur. Unfortunately it's very likely, though. Still, even if it's him there's no way he's doing this alone. No way in hell he could have come up with that on his own.
Revenge of IncelClan, huh? That could be fun.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 13:18:23 GMT -5
3. I don't want the impostor to be Ashfur, because he's a pathetic character, if it is him, then he's dragging down ALL the clans, because he has a grudge against ONE character, one character who rejected him SEVERAL years ago. However, if it's Ashfur, and all the other cats that ever got rejected..then that'd be pretty cool, the last book can be called Revenge of the Rejects. Same. I don't want the imposter to be pathetic little Ashfur. Unfortunately it's very likely, though. Still, even if it's him there's no way he's doing this alone. No way in hell he could have come up with that on his own.
Revenge of IncelClan, huh? That could be fun.
Lol XD I meant cats who had been rejected in general, like Mudclaw being rejected from being leader, Thistleclaw kind of being rejected from being deputy But IncelClan is even funnier XD Who all would be in it?
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