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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 16:59:42 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that's true. I'm curious now...have we ever agreed on anything about this series? Because we had a small argument before about something different We agree far more than we argue i believe, but i do too vaguely recall something not too long ago we went head and head to lmao Well, that's good lol..I think it was about Oakstar and Darkstar. I'm constantly getting into arguments with pretty much everyone about characters from that book though
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Post by cowbird on Mar 4, 2020 17:07:23 GMT -5
We agree far more than we argue i believe, but i do too vaguely recall something not too long ago we went head and head to lmao Well, that's good lol..I think it was about Oakstar and Darkstar. I'm constantly getting into arguments with pretty much everyone about characters from that book though Mapleshade's Vengeance?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 17:13:20 GMT -5
Well, that's good lol..I think it was about Oakstar and Darkstar. I'm constantly getting into arguments with pretty much everyone about characters from that book though Mapleshade's Vengeance? That's the one That's probably one of the most controversial books to have opinions on though
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Post by cowbird on Mar 4, 2020 17:16:12 GMT -5
That's the one That's probably one of the most controversial books to have opinions on though Truly! I mean soooo much happened in that book, you cant even get me started.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 17:20:09 GMT -5
That's the one That's probably one of the most controversial books to have opinions on though Truly! I mean soooo much happened in that book, you cant even get me started. Yeah, and another thing is, certain characters get condemned, and said that they should be in the DF, but we don't even see THEIR side of the story. All we see is Mapleshade's side. I heard somewhere once, that there are three sides to every story, person one's side, person two's side, and the truth, we're only seeing person one's side. I'm not saying that Mapleshade's a liar, but I also don't think that Ravenwing is this super evil bad guy either, or that Frecklewish was completely heartless. I'm sure if we saw their sides of the story, things would be way different.
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Post by cowbird on Mar 4, 2020 17:29:39 GMT -5
I mean i feel like we saw their sides imo. They were angry cats and caused Mapleshade a lot of pain. Idk, i feel too much for Maple ig.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 17:37:43 GMT -5
I mean i feel like we saw their sides imo. They were angry cats and caused Mapleshade a lot of pain. Idk, i feel too much for Maple ig. But think of the pain her actions caused them. She led Frecklewish to believe, that her dead brother was the father of the kits. Frecklewish was so overjoyed, that Birchface would live on through Mapleshade's kits...she must have been completely shattered, to learn that the actual father, was the guy who KILLED her brother. As for Ravenwing, Mapleshade's actions put him in a REALLY difficult position, he could either ignore a sign from StarClan, knowingly lie to his leader, and potentially put his clan in danger, or keep Mapleshade's secret. Not only that, but if he kept Mapleshade's secret, then who's to say Oakstar wouldn't have exiled him too? I know it would have left ThunderClan without a medicine cat, but I also don't think Oakstar was thinking clearly, he was too blinded by rage and grief, that I honestly don't think he would have cared. I don't think they were angry, maybe they were partly angry, but I don't think that was the root emotion that caused them to do what they did. Frecklewish and Oakstar I believe did it out of grief, and Ravenwing out of fear.
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Post by sylveon on Mar 4, 2020 17:41:28 GMT -5
1) I personally think Dovewing is more well suited for ShadowClan. She and Tigerstar will hopefully reshape their Clan.
2) The way the clans constantly twist "it's our prey it came from our territory" "it's our prey the moment it crossed the border" to their advantage annoys me. Pick one!
3) The sisters were a really interesting group and I would love to learn more about their way of life. Same for the guardian cats. It's refreshing to see groups of cats outside the Clans.
4) Modern ThunderClan has lost what it means to be ThunderClan after Firestar died. Their sense of nobility has vanished.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 17:46:54 GMT -5
1) I personally think Dovewing is more well suited for ShadowClan. She and Tigerstar will hopefully reshape their Clan. 2) The way the clans constantly twist "it's our prey it came from our territory" "it's our prey the moment it crossed the border" to their advantage annoys me. Pick one! 3) The sisters were a really interesting group and I would love to learn more about their way of life. Same for the guardian cats. It's refreshing to see groups of cats outside the Clans. 4) Modern ThunderClan has lost what it means to be ThunderClan after Firestar died. Their sense of nobility has vanished. If you think modern ThunderClan was bad, then you should meet Pre-Firestar ThunderClan, they were randomly attacking everyone, no one was safe lol. Yeah, those prey fights are super annoying, I personally believe, that if it crosses onto say ThunderClan territory from WindClan, and a ThunderClan cat catches it, then it's ThunderClan prey.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 4, 2020 18:11:54 GMT -5
I don't like Bluestar and to be frank she is not as great as the fandom proclaims her. Her "sacrifice" was stupid and reckless and just because she was mentally ill later in life doesn't give her a right to do the things she did later. Stressing Fireheart to the point he was literally doing her job for her, pretty much being he reason why Swift died (If she didn't deny his Warriorship just because of his FRICKING BELIEFS he wouldn't have gone for those dogs to try and prove himself Bluestar), naming Brightheart an actually albiest name (After a literal TRAUMA) to declare war on Starclan of all things, declaring war on Windclan for literally no reason other than she was messed up in the head, the list goes on. Her condition is the reason, not an EXCUSE, for what she did, and even then, I absolutely refuse to lighten my opinion on her because of that nor should I feel obligated to. If I wanted to defend a character because of their condition I will (Palebird is the best example of this but her behavior with her condition imo was handled much better), sure that might make me hypocritical myself, but for Bluestar I'm not going to given unlike Palebird who's hated for something she can't control Bluestar's praised so much as is. She was annoyingly hypocritical in her SE as well and just unbearable to read through. Her relationship with Oakheart wasn't great as it was led to be either. If it wasn't for Thistleclaw and Snowfur and their relationship, Sunstar, and Thrushpelt being a bean, I would've dropped the SE and left it unfinished long ago. What I'm saying is she should've stepped down. Hmm, I actually agree with this. I'm surprised to find anyone else has this opinion as well. I wasn't very fond of Bluestar, especially in her SE, and honestly Thistleclaw wasn't even that bad of a cat. It's more like the Erins really didn't know what to do with him then butchered him later down the line which was ridiculous on it's own. The only time I've ever felt a speckle of sympathy for Bluestar was because of her PMV "Little Pistols" but other than that I don't think she was that great of a character or leader, and definitely didn't do much to earn her spot imo. I find it annoying she was put on a pedestal and then everyone else's characters had to be sniped just to make her seem like a more viable choice. (I always never understood the hype of BlueOak, it was a one time thing, and honestly she didn't deserve Thrushpelt. I felt so bad for him when it's revealed he never knew about the kits true fate and he spent more time then any other cat looking for them. That's just horribly cruel and manipulative on Bluestar's part.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 18:36:14 GMT -5
I don't like Bluestar and to be frank she is not as great as the fandom proclaims her. Her "sacrifice" was stupid and reckless and just because she was mentally ill later in life doesn't give her a right to do the things she did later. Stressing Fireheart to the point he was literally doing her job for her, pretty much being he reason why Swift died (If she didn't deny his Warriorship just because of his FRICKING BELIEFS he wouldn't have gone for those dogs to try and prove himself Bluestar), naming Brightheart an actually albiest name (After a literal TRAUMA) to declare war on Starclan of all things, declaring war on Windclan for literally no reason other than she was messed up in the head, the list goes on. Her condition is the reason, not an EXCUSE, for what she did, and even then, I absolutely refuse to lighten my opinion on her because of that nor should I feel obligated to. If I wanted to defend a character because of their condition I will (Palebird is the best example of this but her behavior with her condition imo was handled much better), sure that might make me hypocritical myself, but for Bluestar I'm not going to given unlike Palebird who's hated for something she can't control Bluestar's praised so much as is. She was annoyingly hypocritical in her SE as well and just unbearable to read through. Her relationship with Oakheart wasn't great as it was led to be either. If it wasn't for Thistleclaw and Snowfur and their relationship, Sunstar, and Thrushpelt being a bean, I would've dropped the SE and left it unfinished long ago. What I'm saying is she should've stepped down. Hmm, I actually agree with this. I'm surprised to find anyone else has this opinion as well. I wasn't very fond of Bluestar, especially in her SE, and honestly Thistleclaw wasn't even that bad of a cat. It's more like the Erins really didn't know what to do with him then butchered him later down the line which was ridiculous on it's own. The only time I've ever felt a speckle of sympathy for Bluestar was because of her PMV "Little Pistols" but other than that I don't think she was that great of a character or leader, and definitely didn't do much to earn her spot imo. I find it annoying she was put on a pedestal and then everyone else's characters had to be sniped just to make her seem like a more viable choice. (I always never understood the hype of BlueOak, it was a one time thing, and honestly she didn't deserve Thrushpelt. I felt so bad for him when it's revealed he never knew about the kits true fate and he spent more time then any other cat looking for them. That's just horribly cruel and manipulative on Bluestar's part.) I couldn't agree more, I've basically been saying pretty much this exact thing throughout this whole thread, which even spurred a little argument, but luckily, we made up. Honestly, even before reading Bluestar's Prophecy, I never really liked her, and after reading it, it just made me like her less..she wasn't that likeable of a character TBH. She was overly bitter and jealous about everything as a kit/apprentice, like...Snowpaw got to explore the territory before she did? Better go whinge about it. She had to carry MOSS? Oh the humanity!! I understand that people (cats in this case) get upset and disappointed, but it was still frustrating to read.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 4, 2020 18:52:19 GMT -5
Hmm, I actually agree with this. I'm surprised to find anyone else has this opinion as well. I wasn't very fond of Bluestar, especially in her SE, and honestly Thistleclaw wasn't even that bad of a cat. It's more like the Erins really didn't know what to do with him then butchered him later down the line which was ridiculous on it's own. The only time I've ever felt a speckle of sympathy for Bluestar was because of her PMV "Little Pistols" but other than that I don't think she was that great of a character or leader, and definitely didn't do much to earn her spot imo. I find it annoying she was put on a pedestal and then everyone else's characters had to be sniped just to make her seem like a more viable choice. (I always never understood the hype of BlueOak, it was a one time thing, and honestly she didn't deserve Thrushpelt. I felt so bad for him when it's revealed he never knew about the kits true fate and he spent more time then any other cat looking for them. That's just horribly cruel and manipulative on Bluestar's part.) I couldn't agree more, I've basically been saying pretty much this exact thing throughout this whole thread, which even spurred a little argument, but luckily, we made up. Honestly, even before reading Bluestar's Prophecy, I never really liked her, and after reading it, it just made me like her less..she wasn't that likeable of a character TBH. She was overly bitter and jealous about everything as a kit/apprentice, like...Snowpaw got to explore the territory before she did? Better go whinge about it. She had to carry MOSS? Oh the humanity!! I understand that people (cats in this case) get upset and disappointed, but it was still frustrating to read. Like I don't mind characters showing jealousy. If done well it's an interesting trope to mess with. Like with Jayfeather, he was jealous of his more able-bodied siblings being able to train as warriors, or Ivypool because her sister was getting more praise thanks to her powers and leaving her to feel alone, etc. Like that's fine. But Bluestar's jealousy was so incredibly petty for the dumbest reasons, like you stated. I also didn't like her behavior toward Thistleclaw and her sister's relationship. They weren't breaking any rules, they were happily together, and a worked well as a couple in general, yet Bluestar was constantly judging them??? Just because she didn't personally like Thistleclaw, she was pushing her self-woes onto her sister and her relationship with him and that irked me because she's being an utter hypocrite in that category and much much worse. She was literally seeing the deputy of RiverClan behind everyone's backs, had kits with them, gave them away and then claimed they died (well one of them actually did) while lying to her clan about and using Thrushpelt. It was gross to see how she put kits in danger, and how she was so ambitious to be leader that she was willing to get rid of them. The bigger irony is that Thistleclaw already suspected her relationship with Oakheart when he caught him trespassing and Bluestar tried to excuse him and he called her out on it. Like he hit it on the nail, more than any other cat, and I thought it was amusingly ironic how that was. The bias that Bluestar had toward other cats, and the bias she received was utterly annoying to me as a reader, and her treatment of Brightheart was even more unpleasant. I've never liked her when I was younger, and I still don't care for her even now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 19:00:18 GMT -5
*clears throat and hides behind chair* Ik they're old but I would be pretty happy if Squirrelstar and/or Crowstar happened
- Idk how unpopular this is but I really like Mothwing and Willowshine! I've never disliked them.
- I like Clear Sky x Star Flower
- Dovewing is boring af but she's not the worst cat in the whole series.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 19:08:40 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅ All of those are EXTREMELY good points, especially pointing how hypocritical she is. She seems like the type that wants to have their cake, and eat it too, but frowns upon others who do the same. As for the Brightheart thing..wasn't she the one who said naming cats from their injuries was cruel? Or something like that? The kit thing is the main reason I don't think she deserved to be deputy, kits are supposed to be the most valuable members of a clan, and she took hers out in the snow..and I'm pretty sure she's old enough to know that snow, at NIGHT especially = bad. @happy413 I've seen a lot of people actually say they want Squirrelstar, I wouldn't mind it, but eh, then again, I don't like Squirrelflight much. I adore Star Flower x Clear Sky's couple, I think they made each other better cats.
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 5, 2020 1:20:50 GMT -5
Potentially unpopular opinions
1). I know the whole "Tigerstar clones" joke in the fandom, but I'm fine with it. I find it neat there's a dark brown tabby every generation. 2). Lionblaze is an enjoyable character to read about. I found him more likable than Hollyleaf. 3). I'm fine with the number of cats in the Clans currently. I just wish their personalities were explored more so they actually felt like characters rather than just...there. 4). Mudclaw had a genuine claim to WindClan's leadership. 5). I wouldn't mind Reedwhisker succeeding Mistystar as RiverClan's leader. Might give him some personality.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 7:36:32 GMT -5
Potentially unpopular opinions 1). I know the whole "Tigerstar clones" joke in the fandom, but I'm fine with it. I find it neat there's a dark brown tabby every generation. 2). Lionblaze is an enjoyable character to read about. I found him more likable than Hollyleaf. 3). I'm fine with the number of cats in the Clans currently. I just wish their personalities were explored more so they actually felt like characters rather than just... there. 4). Mudclaw had a genuine claim to WindClan's leadership. 5). I wouldn't mind Reedwhisker succeeding Mistystar as RiverClan's leader. Might give him some personality. I completely agree 100% with all of these
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 8:55:43 GMT -5
I've got EVEN more!
16. I feel like Shrewclaw gets too much hate, I know he was a bully, and me disliking Blossomfall for being a bully is a little hypocritical, but their situations aren't the same. Shrewclaw was raised in a time, where WindClan had two different groups of cats, the moor-runners and the tunnelers, and those two groups of cats were CONSTANTLY talking crap about each other. And from the way Shrewclaw started bullying Tallstar from the time they were kits, just shows that it was taught to him, that he was more than likely repeating what he heard his parents, or some of the other moor-runners saying. It also didn't help the fact, that when Tallkit told Sandgorse about Shrewkit bullying him, Sandgorse's response ws, "Typical moor kit, afraid of getting sand in his eyes." Which shows that no one tried to teach him better, and they just escalated the feud farther. And after he grew up and became mature, he and Tallstar gained a mutual respect for each other, and he even gave him one of his nine lives. As for Blossomfall, she was already practically a warrior when she was rude to Ivypool (it was during her warrior assessment) also, she wasn't raised in a clan of cats, that had two different groups that were rivals. Okay, so that's my thoughts on Blossomfall and Shrewclaw..back to just Shrewclaw. That thing he said to Tallstar was super harsh and way out of line, but at that time, he truly believed that Tallstar was the cause of his mother's death. I mean, if Tallstar can be excused, for leaving his clan, to go and kill the guy he blamed for killing his father, then why can't Shrewclaw say a few mean words to someone who he believed killed his mother? I'm not saying that either are in the right, but I don't think that Shrewclaw should get as much hate as he does for lashing out.
17. I don't understand why Stormtail gets so much hate, for not protecting Moonflower during the herb destroying raid. He was busy dealing with fighting off cats of his own, also, she was taken out REALLY quickly, so it's not like Stormtail would have even had time to get over to her, before it was too late. Not to mention, Moonflower wasn't some delicate flower, she was a fully trained warrior, who fought off a badger when she was an apprentice.
18. I don't like Bristlefrost's name..it's uncomfortable to say. Maybe because of the st in both the prefix and the suffix? I don't know.
19. I don't want a cat to be a leader/deputy/medicine cat of a clan JUST because they're a she-cat, I've seen a lot of people say they want X to be the next leader/deputy/medicine cat of a clan, because they need more she-cats, and while that may be true for all the clans except RiverClan (and maybe SkyClan), I feel like a cat's gender shouldn't be the only contributing factor that makes them qualified for a position.
20. After Tallstar, no one in WindClan has earned the right to be leader. Onestar was only chosen because of his friendship with Firestar. Harestar was only chosen because Onestar wanted to prove to the others that he trusted the DF trainees. Literally ANY of the DF trainees could be leader of WindClan right now, but Harestar was the lucky chosen one, not sure why, but he was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 22:35:55 GMT -5
- I find the SkyClan names really endearing. Fidgetflake is a cute name, okay? Better than Twigbranch.
- I enjoy brown tabby Alderheart.
- Gold-eyed Dovewing or bust.
- Idrc about Honeyfern that much. Swiftpaw either. They just didn't resonate with me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 23:03:19 GMT -5
- I find the SkyClan names really endearing. Fidgetflake is a cute name, okay? Better than Twigbranch. - I enjoy brown tabby Alderheart. - Gold-eyed Dovewing or bust. - Idrc about Honeyfern that much. Swiftpaw either. They just didn't resonate with me. I agree about SkyClan names and about Swiftpaw. Honeyfern was alright, I liked that she was a little Brackenfur clone, but all that's really to her, is that she had a crush on Berrynose. However, she did die to save Briarlight, so that's a huge plus for her. Swiftpaw..I never really liked him, like, the only time he was alive, he was making snarky comments about Firestar being a kittypet.
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Post by ᴄᴏɴɪ﹣ғᴇʀᴏᴜs on Mar 6, 2020 2:54:23 GMT -5
idk how unpopular these are but:
5. Swiftpaw was a good character in terms of how he brought out Longtail's good side. No, Longtail was not a bad influence on him - if anything, it brought out the good points in Longtail - genuinely caring and actually enjoying company that wasn't Tigerstar or Darkstripe.
6. I like Poppyfrost more than Honeyfern, and tbh Honeyfern shouldn't have been so ridiculously moony for Berrynose - there's not much to her other than Berrynose's girlfriend, isn't there? What personality does she have other than the normal 'kind and caring' she-cat trope?
7. Cloudtail wasn't annoying in my opinion. He was a fairly realistic character and a really caring one at that too. His temptation for kittypet life resonated well with me - it gave him space for character development and actual appreciation for clan life.
8. Stormtail was not a bad father. If anything I imagine that he and Moonflower split up amicably. He was shown to continuously care for his daughters after Moonflower's death, and I've heard that in Redtail's debt Bluefur was shown to actually care for her father as well. That says a lot about their relationship.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 6, 2020 3:36:44 GMT -5
6. I like Poppyfrost more than Honeyfern, and tbh Honeyfern shouldn't have been so ridiculously moony for Berrynose - there's not much to her other than Berrynose's girlfriend, isn't there? What personality does she have other than the normal 'kind and caring' she-cat trope? Honeyfern actually did have some things going for her despite being a side character. -She fought off one of the leaders of the Dark Forest on her own, Brokenstar, and Breezepelt, to protect her pregnant sister and a blind medicine cat. -She didn't hesitate to protect Briarkit from a snake, sacrificing herself to save her, and losing her future with Berrynose, to which they were ironically discussing about prior to the incident. -She had really good detecting skills, she once scented Moth and Willow on their territory before any other cat did, Sandstorm even complimented her skill. -She does this again at the WindClan border, and was the one to run back to warn everyone, along side Hollyleaf, for reinforcements. -She was shown to be kind, compassionate and energetic, there's a scene where she shows concern over Lionblaze's well being, so she wasn't only thinking about Berrynose like some remembered. She also compliments and praises other cats for their accomplishments, like Icepaw for her hunting skills. -During the sickness, she is the one to look after Rosekit, while they were both sick, more concerned over her than her own well being. -She even managed to get a compliment out of Mousefur, she reminisced about how well Honeyfern used to take care of her and the other elders. -She showed no ill-will toward her sister for getting with Berrynose, and is even watching over them when Poppyfrost gives birth. -In the final battle she and Poppyfrost are fighting side by side, blow for blow, against the DF cats. It's just I don't think people remember things like this much tbh. The only reason she was killed off was because the Erins needed a reason to have deathberres in the camp for the Hollyleaf scene that came after the gathering reveal. Which is a shame, because she was actually not that bad of a character in canon. Honestly, Poppyfrost didn't get much attention in general until she and Berrynose became a thing after Honeyfern's death. Because as an apprentice not much happened besides standard apprentice things. The only thing I can recall is Lionpaw teaching a her a DF move he learned, and also her being one of the cats to get very sick from the epidemic. But what's strange to me is that she and Lion weren't a thing, they spent quite some time together as apprentices. (Which is interesting because Kate at one point thought Honeyfern had a crush on Lionblaze, so it's pretty weird.)
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Post by aether on Mar 6, 2020 4:06:59 GMT -5
Note: I'm currently reading Dark River
I like the tribes! I know that they cause a bit of drama and everything, but I think the tribes are cool!
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 6, 2020 13:57:02 GMT -5
This thread makes me feel better about my distaste for Bluestar. I just don't like her that much.
Also, I'm sure people have noticed my opinion before, but I feel like Feathertail is a slightly watered down Spottedleaf? But she doesn't get half as much flack for some reason? Her and Crowfeather went through stuff together, but he was an apprentice and they were both devoted to their clans. On top of that, she's still kind of obsessed with him and had to be reminded that his and Leafpool's kits weren't hers - which reminds me of Spottedleaf towards Firestar's
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 14:57:25 GMT -5
aetherI like the Tribe too, I think the way they do things is pretty interesting. They're not perfect, but they're still interesting to read about *Ottersplash*Omg, I didn't even think about it I did think of her as being like Spottedleaf though. I always thought of her as a discount mixture of Silverstream and Spottedleaf.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 15:25:20 GMT -5
I have more!
21. I don't understand why Snowbird doesn't get more hate for her relationship with Scorchfur..Dustpelt gets tons of hate for showing interest in Ferncloud while she was an apprentice, and he was a warrior, but at least he waited until she was a warrior before having kits with her. Other than that, he's less than a year older than her. Whereas, Snowbird was listed as a queen, expecting Scorchfur's kits, in book three of The Power of Three, but Scorchfur didn't become a warrior until the first book of Omen of the Stars. Also, Snowbird's littermate was listed as a warrior in Tigerclaw's Fury. It just seems like double standards or something.
22. I don't mind Brambleberry's design.
23. I like that the names are getting more unique, like Kitescratch, Turtlecrawl, Flipflop, and Thriftear, it's better than having another 50 Robinwings or Gorseclaws.
24. I don't understand the Icecloud x Lionblaze pairing, the only time I remember them even interacting, was when Icecloud was telling Lionblaze off for being rude to Foxleap.
25. I'm glad they got rid of the apprentices travelling to the moonstone thing, I found those scenes pretty boring to read.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 6, 2020 15:33:21 GMT -5
aether I like the Tribe too, I think the way they do things is pretty interesting. They're not perfect, but they're still interesting to read about *Ottersplash* Omg, I didn't even think about it I did think of her as being like Spottedleaf though. I always thought of her as a discount mixture of Silverstream and Spottedleaf. The reason she doesn't get as much flack is because she's not considered a "mary sue" in the same standards a Spottedleaf was. Feathertail, by birth actually, is an imperfect character who was born a halfclan cat. And although she has similarities to Silverstream, she's not overly described as beautiful constantly like Spottedleaf was in the narrative. Crowfeather, while on the journey, should have been a warrior a long time ago, same as Squirrelpaw, I don't really see the problem with the budding romance of Crow x Feather, when Bramble x Squirrel were getting the same treatment. Storm x Squirrel was even implied as well. And unlike Spottedleaf, Feather, in death, has actually been actively shown helping other cats that acutally needed help, like Leafpool, Ravenpaw, etc. The thing is that with Spottedleaf, her help was unnecessary, she was obsessed with Firestar to the point her interference was confusing him, and causing Sandstorm to be jealous. When it was reminded that Leafpool and Crow's kits weren't hers, it was because she was upset and angry over the dangers and prejudice the three were receiving. She wanted to help protect them, and she clearly cared about them, Crow and even Leaf. Feathertail was a kind cat by nature, and she didn't think innocent kits should have face the blunt of wrath, which I think is perfectly sensible. The other thing is that Spottedleaf's death...despite it being in a way is supposed to redeem her, the reason for it makes it worse. Because it was so Firestar wouldn't have to choose between Spotted and Sand in StarClan....which is incredibly stupid. Feathertail may not have moved on from Crow, but she never interfered with his life to the point that it was negative to their character growths, she simply was watching over him properly, along with watching over other cats, like StarClan cats were supposed to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 15:38:22 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅Those are really good points, but I think you responded to the wrong person. I just said that Feathertail reminds me of a mix of Spottedleaf and Silverstream, and that's because of how kind, gentle, and beautiful she's said to be, and how she's one of the cats who is always popping up in the dreams of the main characters.
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Post by KittyClearsight on Mar 6, 2020 16:45:18 GMT -5
Here are some more more than likely unpopular opinions that I have. Some people might agree with me, and that's great, but others won't, and that's fine too. Anyway, here are the unpopular opinions, feel free to add your own. 1. Tallstar isn't that great. A better explanation is on the second page, than the one I had on here before. 2. Bluestar didn't deserve to be deputy. Not only did she break the code by having kits with someone outside of her clan, but she broke the code even more by putting kits in danger, and sadly, one of them ended up dying. She took kits out in the middle of the night in LEAFBARE, in the heavy snow...if that's not irresponsible, I don't know what is. I know she did it for the good of the clan, but what about the good of those kits? 3. I prefer the older ShadowClan, like the ones from Yellowfang's Secret and Into the Wild, to the ShadowClan that there is now. The old ShadowClan had something special about them, that the current ShadowClan just doesn't have. The current ShadowClan just seems like a bunch of whiners, without the skills to back up their threats. 4. I don't mind medicine cat POVS or ThunderClan POVs, however, I do wish there would be a RiverClan or a WindClan POV in the main books, instead of JUST having the forest clans. They haven't had a RiverClan POV in the main books since Stormfur and Feathertail (though, I don't remember her POV), and I don't think there has ever been a WindClan POV in the main books. 5. Wolfstep was probably worse than his sister. Like Foxheart, he was very arrogant, and always ready to fight as an apprentice, the only difference is, he wasn't in love with Raggedstar, so he had no reason to act snarky towards Yellowfang. (not that Foxheart did, but you know how jealousy can make the characters act in this series) However, he agreed with Brokenstar about training kits less than six moons old, and I think that's pretty scummy of him. He's had some non-scumbag moments, but I don't think he was any better than his sister, who is one of the most hated cats in Yellowfang's Secret. Also, I said he was probably worse than Foxheart, because she died before Brokenstar became leader, but if she agreed with his actions, then she would have been worse than Wolfstep. That's all I can think of for now 1. While I loved his story, and thought he was a good leader, he was far from the best. I prefer several other leaders over him. 2. I really don't completely blame Bluestar for her actions. She was pressured basically her whole life to be leader by her medicine cat and was basically told that if she didnt give up her kits then her entire clan would be slaughtered, and that would include her kits anyway. She was dealt a pretty awful hand and honestly, it kinda explains her breakdown in TPB 3. I agree 100% on this, old ShadowClan was best if you remove the murdering babies part. They were seen as an actual threat and I loved it! 4. Also agree, I like ThunderClan but I wanna see RiverClan especially. 5. I haven't read Yellowfangs Secret in years so I honestly forgot Wolfstep was a cat lol I gotta reread the series again rip
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 17:13:07 GMT -5
KittyClearsightThat's true about Goosefeather putting pressure on Bluestar, that little jerk also put pressure on Pinestar to kill his son. I still like him though..I have a really soft spot for Goosefeather.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 6, 2020 19:42:12 GMT -5
ChickenI mean, to be fair to Goosefeather, Starclan totally screwed with his brain and made him go crazy from the amount of prophecy and future he was given to see. So I wouldn't blame him. It's StarClan's fault (who overloads a single cat with that much since kithood?)
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