Post by mizzoctavia on Mar 4, 2020 10:02:16 GMT -5
Oh! And another unpopular opinion, Jayfeather gets on my nerves a lot. I mean - hes okay but I wouldn't be able to handle him if I was in ThunderClan lol
I actually like Dovewing x Tigerheart, and I don't care that she went to ShadowClan, everything seems better with her there. I'm glad she chose a clan, and is now loyal to it, rather than just sneaking off, and meeting Tigerheart, which could potentially cause a war, because ThunderClan would smell ShadowClan scent, and accuse ShadowClan of trespassing, or ShadowClan would smell ThunderClan scent, and accuse them of trespassing.
Yeah I like them together as well but just Dovewing in general annoys me, idk why lol
I actually didn't find Dovewing to be problematic or annoying, even with all the stuff she was a part of, like being in a half clan relationship, and the Bumblestripe thing. Dovewing's love drama seemed so minor to the other stuff that was going on, that I barely even paid attention to it lol. Dovewing's such a sweet girl too, it's kind of hard to dislike her, at least for me
Naw, a lot of people actually agree with you lol. I just tend to zone out on the things I don't find interesting, such as romance plots. Like, everyone says that Crookedstar x Willowbreeze is the cutest ship ever, but I don't even remember their relationship, all I remember is him saving her life a gazillion times.
Post by mizzoctavia on Mar 4, 2020 13:33:46 GMT -5
Lol true. I also wish that they would focus around all of the clans instead of just ThunderClan. Like almost every prophecy comes from ThunderClan and revolves around ThunderClan, its just annoying that all 4 of the other clans are left out. I would also like to know more about the other clans as well, like relationships and backstories etc.
Lol true. I also wish that they would focus around all of the clans instead of just ThunderClan. Like almost every prophecy comes from ThunderClan and revolves around ThunderClan, its just annoying that all 4 of the other clans are left out. I would also like to know more about the other clans as well, like relationships and backstories etc.
Right? Not to mention, that in the second series, they sent a dream to a cat from each clan..but those cats were
1. Bramblestar - a THUNDERCLAN cat
2. Tawnypelt - a THUNDERCLAN cat...this one is a bit of a difficult one, since she is loyal to ShadowClan, but her mother still resided in ThunderClan, so even if Tigerstar is considered a ShadowClan cat, Tawnypelt would at the most be half-clan.
3. Feathertail - Part THUNDERCLAN.
Crowfeather was the only one on that trip who had no ThunderClan blood
Tallstar WAS a great leader. You dont lead your clan for a as long as he did, through multiple territory invasions and it takes a lot of puttin your pride aside as a leader to basically beg for help from other clans. He is a far better leader and cat than 90% of clan leaders we know about.
Bluestar's path to deputyship was a little befuddled to me ngl, but her giving up her kits has NOTHING to do with her credentials. If anything, she did what was possibly the best thing she could. Another person said that she could have had someone take care of the kits while she became deputy. First of all, the Clans back then would never allow that to happen- numerous cats would revolt. That deputy to queen situation happened once with Squirrelflight and thats cause she's a main character who was still being used so she got away with it. Sunstar made it clear right when Bluestar first got pregnant that queens cant serve as deputies. Her decision to take her kits to Oakheart may have been bad cause they resulted in a kittens death AND bluestar's mental breakdown at the end of the books, but there wasnt really any other option.
I'm not saying that he's not a great leader, I'm just saying, that I personally don't think he's that great, and that's my opinion. This thread is called unpopular opinions for a reason.
The point still stands that she KNOWINGLY put kits in danger. People hate on other cats for putting kits in danger, when they didn't even do it knowingly or directly. Why should Bluestar get a pass just because Thistleclaw was also a contender to be deputy? It wasn't like they were the only two who could have been deputy, and in the end of Bluestar's Prophecy, Sunstar even made it sound like Thistleclaw wasn't even an option, which made Bluestar's RECKLESS choice in vain.
Im not trying to dismiss your opinion, Im simply expressing why i dont agree. Maybe this is the wrong thread for that and i get heated when people judge Bluestar.
Im not trying to dismiss your opinion, Im simply expressing why i dont agree. Maybe this is the wrong thread for that and i get heated when people judge Bluestar.
Why shouldn't people be able to express their opinion on her? People judge other characters all the time
I mean you could- i just dont like seeing it. I personally can find many faults in her life but that to me isnt.
Well, I'm sorry your feel that way, but I don't like seeing her getting praised for knowingly putting her children in danger, and then lying about it. Making her clanmates take time out of their days, worrying them all, and breaking Thrushpelt's heart (because he thought of those kits as his own), just because she couldn't be loyal to her clan in the first place.
And thats a mistake she paid for dearly so lets not act like she got away clean. She held that burden and shame for the rest of her life and basically lost her mind because of it.
And thats a mistake she paid for dearly so lets not act like she got away clean. She held that burden and shame for the rest of her life and basically lost her mind because of it.
Didn't she lose her mind because Tigerclaw tried to kill her?
And thats a mistake she paid for dearly so lets not act like she got away clean. She held that burden and shame for the rest of her life and basically lost her mind because of it.
Didn't she lose her mind because Tigerclaw tried to kill her?
That was the tipping point. She was depressed i think and him, being such a strong warrior and one she could depend on, betraying her just made her crack.
Didn't she lose her mind because Tigerclaw tried to kill her?
That was the tipping point. She was depressed i think and him, being such a strong warrior and one she could depend on, betraying her just made her crack.
Post by Brindlefern on Mar 4, 2020 14:50:28 GMT -5
I don't like Bluestar and to be frank she is not as great as the fandom proclaims her. Her "sacrifice" was stupid and reckless and just because she was mentally ill later in life doesn't give her a right to do the things she did later. Stressing Fireheart to the point he was literally doing her job for her, pretty much being he reason why Swift died (If she didn't deny his Warriorship just because of his FRICKING BELIEFS he wouldn't have gone for those dogs to try and prove himself Bluestar), naming Brightheart an actually albiest name (After a literal TRAUMA) to declare war on Starclan of all things, declaring war on Windclan for literally no reason other than she was messed up in the head, the list goes on. Her condition is the reason, not an EXCUSE, for what she did, and even then, I absolutely refuse to lighten my opinion on her because of that nor should I feel obligated to. If I wanted to defend a character because of their condition I will (Palebird is the best example of this but her behavior with her condition imo was handled much better), sure that might make me hypocritical myself, but for Bluestar I'm not going to given unlike Palebird who's hated for something she can't control Bluestar's praised so much as is.
She was annoyingly hypocritical in her SE as well and just unbearable to read through. Her relationship with Oakheart wasn't great as it was led to be either. If it wasn't for Thistleclaw and Snowfur and their relationship, Sunstar, and Thrushpelt being a bean, I would've dropped the SE and left it unfinished long ago.
11. Onestar wasn't that bad of a leader for WindClan. This unqualified code-breaking idiot, managed to keep his clan together throughout the Dark Forest battle, the flood, the stoats, etc. For the other clans however...he was a complete nightmare.
12. I've been thinking, and if we don't think about THAT book, then would Thistleclaw really have been the worst choice for deputy? He was annoying, and downright cruel at times, but he still put ThunderClan first, and was loyal to his clan. Besides, he died like not too long after Bluestar's Prophecy, so he probably never would have even become leader in the first place. He wouldn't be my top choice for deputy..still don't know why Adderfang wasn't chosen...but yeah.
13. I'm glad none of Breezepelt's kits became Kestrelflight's apprentice, I'm tired of that family being pretty much the ONLY family in WindClan that gets any attention.
I don't like Bluestar and to be frank she is not as great as the fandom proclaims her. Her "sacrifice" was stupid and reckless and just because she was mentally ill later in life doesn't give her a right to do the things she did later. Stressing Fireheart to the point he was literally doing her job for her, pretty much being he reason why Swift died (If she didn't deny his Warriorship just because of his FRICKING BELIEFS he wouldn't have gone for those dogs to try and prove himself Bluestar), naming Brightheart an actually albiest name to declare war on Starclan of all things, declaring war on Windclan for literally no reason other than she was messed up in the head, the list goes on. Her condition is the reason, not an EXCUSE, for what she did, and even then, I absolutely refuse to lighten my opinion on her because of that nor should I feel obligated to. If I wanted to defend a character because of their condition I will (Palebird is the best example of this but her behavior with her condition imo was handled much better), sure that might make me hypocritical myself, but for Bluestar I'm not going to given unlike Palebird who's hated for something she can't control Bluestar's praised so much as is.
She was annoyingly hypocritical in her SE as well and just unbearable to read through. Her relationship with Oakheart wasn't great as it was led to be either. If it wasn't for Thistleclaw and Snowfur and their relationship, Sunstar, and Thrushpelt being a bean, I would've dropped the SE and left it unfinished long ago.
EXACTLY! You made a better point that I could have ever.
Okay about Tallstar, I probably should have used a better example, one that was more fact checked like others had said, because it seems like people are getting the wrong idea. I think during his leadership, he was a GREAT leader, he's one of the best leaders in the series, but I don't think he was that great of a cat.
I know pretty much everyone will disagree with me, since he is such a popular character, but this is why this thread is called unpopular opinions.
First of all..
He called Mudclaw too aggressive to lead WindClan..however, Mudclaw never brutally attacked his own clanmate, or left his clan to go and kill a guy, who he believed was the cause of his father's death. I know that Shrewclaw shouldn't have mouthed off, and he's in NO WAY innocent in this situation, but if beating your clanmate, until they're trembling on the ground, SCARED TO DEATH, isn't aggression, then I don't know what is.
The worst thing that Mudclaw did, was prevent Bluestar and Fireheart from going to highstones, and why? Because they were harboring Brokenstar, a guy who drove their clan out, and killed some of their clanmates, one of those were more than likely Ryestalk, Mudclaw's MOTHER.
Not only that, but Tallstar didn't even have the decency to tell Mudclaw to his face that he was replacing him with an unqualified twit. I know he said it on his death bed, but he also said,
"In these last moons we have learned that the future of our Clans lies in friendship."
MOONS, which meant, that he could have been thinking of this for awhile, and if he wasn't, then it would have only taken someone a few seconds to call Mudclaw in there, and explain things to him.
So, in conclusion, is Tallstar a bad leader? No, not at all. Is he a bad cat? No, not at all. Is he perfect? No, not at all.
I still really like Tallstar, but I also believe that he has a lot of flaws, and that's okay.
That would be hypocritical of me, no Id never lmao
It would? How so? lol Well, that's a relief XD
Because i was equally heated with you. Imagine me being offended by what you say while i come back with just as heated words? That just one way of being hypocritical imo
Because i was equally heated with you. Imagine me being offended by what you say while i come back with just as heated words? That just one way of being hypocritical imo
Oh yeah, that's true. I'm curious now...have we ever agreed on anything about this series? Because we had a small argument before about something different
Because i was equally heated with you. Imagine me being offended by what you say while i come back with just as heated words? That just one way of being hypocritical imo
Oh yeah, that's true. I'm curious now...have we ever agreed on anything about this series? Because we had a small argument before about something different
We agree far more than we argue i believe, but i do too vaguely recall something not too long ago we went head and head to lmao
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