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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 20:32:21 GMT -5
Who are some characters you felt deserved better or worse (other than Ashfur lol) than what they got in canon? I'll put in my two cents:
Deserved better
All the kits and apprentices who died before they could fully grow up (Badgerfang, Gorsepaw, Mosskit)
Squirrelflight - Seriously Erins let her have peace!
Dustpelt & Ferncloud - They outlived a lot of their children... Plus Dustpelt lost Ferncloud on top of that.
Sorreltail - >:/ Why Erins
Brightheart - Don't really have to say much about her.
Longtail - "
Briarlight - "
Jayfeather - I disliked how he was just shoved into the medicine cat role. I wanted him to be a warrior tbh. Jaystar
Tawnypelt - Tyrannical father, both of her Clans distrusted her, her mate and two of her kits died.
(I can think of more, but I'll keep it short)
Deserved worse
Breezepelt - Should've been exiled.
Appledusk - Broke the Code, cheated on his mates, didn't even ask his kits' names when they died, turned on Mapleshade to save his own hide and reputation, he's gross.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 20:42:25 GMT -5
Deserved better, pretty much everyone you said, also, Strikestone, Slatefur, Puddleshine, Mudclaw, there's probably more that I can't think of ATM.
Deserved Worse,
I agree about Breezepelt.
Onestar - this idiot was willing to let a clan die out, he fathered kits with a kittypet, and then abandoned them, then that same kit that he sired, comes back, and kills everyone. He turned his back on Firestar, went against Tallstar's wishes, started needless battles for no reason, and yet, NOTHING bad happens to him AT ALL. He got to die a "hero" and go to StarClan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 20:50:35 GMT -5
Deserved better, pretty much everyone you said, also, Strikestone, Slatefur, Puddleshine, Mudclaw, there's probably more that I can't think of ATM. Deserved Worse, I agree about Breezepelt. Onestar - this idiot was willing to let a clan die out, he fathered kits with a kittypet, and then abandoned them, then that same kit that he sired, comes back, and kills everyone. He turned his back on Firestar, went against Tallstar's wishes, started needless battles for no reason, and yet, NOTHING bad happens to him AT ALL. He got to die a "hero" and go to StarClan. Ah, I forgot about Onestar! Talk about a fall from grace.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 20:52:46 GMT -5
Deserved better, pretty much everyone you said, also, Strikestone, Slatefur, Puddleshine, Mudclaw, there's probably more that I can't think of ATM. Deserved Worse, I agree about Breezepelt. Onestar - this idiot was willing to let a clan die out, he fathered kits with a kittypet, and then abandoned them, then that same kit that he sired, comes back, and kills everyone. He turned his back on Firestar, went against Tallstar's wishes, started needless battles for no reason, and yet, NOTHING bad happens to him AT ALL. He got to die a "hero" and go to StarClan. Ah, I forgot about Onestar! Talk about a fall from grace. I'm still so sad and disappointed about how he turned out, he went from being one of my favorite WindClan cats, to being my absolute least favorite character.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Feb 25, 2020 21:23:10 GMT -5
ashfur
i agree with everything you two said, but I would like to add rainflower to the "deserved worse" category
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 25, 2020 21:59:10 GMT -5
Appledusk just fricking cheated and was a **** why do you guys want him to go to cat hell for that he's not even EVIL. The dude got fricking murdered by the "other woman" as is so idk what else you want from him outside being in hell for something actually way tamer than what Mapleshade did in the end, and many cats even after him broke the code the same way (Taking a mate outside borders AND lying about it).
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 25, 2020 22:07:22 GMT -5
Deserved better: Strikestone: My boy lost his entire direct family in the span of one arc and is now half-deaf. All that happened in like the span of a year and a half. Dustpelt: Dude outlived all but two of his kids and was heartbroken after Ferncloud died. At least he's at peace now. Puddleshine: Gets forced to become a medicine cat despite wanting to be a warrior, trains for two moons, and then is forced to deal with an epidemic. THEN he's forced to join the Kin and deals with all the bs between ShadowClan and SkyClan, and then nearly dies in The Raging Storm. He also loses all but his brother during AVOS. Poor Puddleshine. Brightheart: She never got her promised apprentice.
Deserved worse: Breezepelt: The guy tried to kill a heavily pregnant queen and his handicapped half-brother, and later tries to kill his other half-brother. But in Crowfeather's Trial he's suddenly redeemed and has no more negative qualities. Ashfur: "He only loved too much", blech. The guy planned to kill Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Hollyleaf and holds half the responsibility on killing Firestar back in Sunset simply because Squirrelflight didn't choose him as her mate. Rainflower: Neglected and abused Crookedstar while placing Oakheart on a pedestal. She was a terrible mother.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 22:07:29 GMT -5
Appledusk just fricking cheated and was a **** why do you guys want him to go to cat hell for that he's not even EVIL. The dude got fricking murdered by the "other woman" as is so idk what else you want from him outside being in hell for something actually way tamer than what Mapleshade did in the end, and many cats even after him broke the code the same way (Taking a mate outside borders). I don't know if you're referring to me, but you said you guys, and I posted on this thread, so I'm going to share my thoughts. I don't harbor any bad feelings towards Appledusk, it was wrong that he cheated, yes, but I don't think he's a bad guy at the core. He did die to save to lives of five cats, so that's gotta count for something.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 25, 2020 22:11:20 GMT -5
Appledusk just fricking cheated and was a **** why do you guys want him to go to cat hell for that he's not even EVIL. The dude got fricking murdered by the "other woman" as is so idk what else you want from him outside being in hell for something actually way tamer than what Mapleshade did in the end, and many cats even after him broke the code the same way (Taking a mate outside borders). I don't know if you're referring to me, but you said you guys, and I posted on this thread, so I'm going to share my thoughts. The "You guys" was more a general fandom thing, I wasn't targeting you in that at all dw. LOTS of people believe Appledusk deserves to be in hell for being a across-the-border cheater when in comparison Mapleshade gets woobied despite doing things way worse than him in comparison. That's the "you guys" who I'm talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 22:13:49 GMT -5
I don't know if you're referring to me, but you said you guys, and I posted on this thread, so I'm going to share my thoughts. The "You guys" was a general fandom thing, I wasn't targeting you in that at all. Note that LOTS of people believe Appledusk deserves to be in hell for being a cheater when in comparison Mapleshade gets woobied despite doing things way worse than him in comparison. That's the "you guys" who I'm talking about. Ohh okay, well, now you know my thoughts on that, at least where Appledusk is concerned, if you didn't already.
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Post by cowbird on Feb 26, 2020 6:05:46 GMT -5
Appledusk for sure but Mapleshade would kill him again if he went to the dark forest
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Post by Rio on Feb 26, 2020 6:29:51 GMT -5
#Turtle Tail Deserved Better 2k20.
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Post by mizzoctavia on Feb 26, 2020 7:58:56 GMT -5
I agree so much with Breezepelt deserving worst, he is probably my least favorite in the whole series. I hate him with a passion lol
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 26, 2020 8:31:12 GMT -5
Rowanstar and Tawnypelt deserved way better. Crowfeather and Russetfur deserved worse imo.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 26, 2020 12:32:46 GMT -5
Beetlewhisker, Mudclaw, Cinderpelt, Stormfur, Squrrelflight, Nightcloud, and Seedpaw come to mind for deserved better.
Onestar easily deserved the worst.
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Post by platinum blond death on Feb 26, 2020 20:28:39 GMT -5
Deserved better: Jayfeather - Wish he could've become a warrior instead of being forced into the med cat role. Cinderpelt - " Tawnypelt - Girl's got a lot of death and stigma to deal with. Stormfur - He loses his sister, his mom dies right after his birth, he's ostracized from the Clans. Please go easy on him. Stonefur - Why did he have to die? Why? Brightheart - Girl deserved an apprentice, plus her awful name Bluestar gave her. But she developed so nicely after that. I love her sm. Badgerfang - Boi didn't deserve to die in a needless battle as a kit Gorsepaw - Why did he have to die. It made me so sad when I read TDH for the first time.
Deserved worse: Breezepelt - You're telling me he gets totally redeemed? Really? Onestar - People have explained it better than I have.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Feb 26, 2020 23:04:40 GMT -5
Deserved Better: Seedpaw: she deserved better. She died for a stupid stick, and then they seemingly forgot about the "remembering the fallen" thing altogether. It was never brought up again from what I remember. Leafpool: I can't get over about how her death couldn't have been avoided. Gorsepaw.
Deserved Worse: Onestar Sleekwhisker Star Flower Crowfeather Breezepelt Scorchfur
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Post by cowbird on Feb 27, 2020 5:36:07 GMT -5
^^^Leafpool did also deserved better... dont see why she had to go and they kept the annoying one still. Guess to cause good drama and events but still made no sense...
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 27, 2020 14:59:55 GMT -5
Characters who deserved better: Sun Shadow, Gray Wing
Characters who deserved worse: Breezepelt
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 15:51:05 GMT -5
I thought of more characters who deserved better
Tiny Branch - this poor guy died, because everyone was too stubborn to set aside their differences
Red Claw - this guy got a lot of hate directed towards him, and he couldn't even be happy with Acorn Fur, because of the stupid medicine cat rule
Acorn Fur - she lost her parents pretty close to one another, she and her brother lived in different clans, she was going to be mates with Red Claw...but Moth Flight prevented that.
Lightning Tail - same as Acorn Fur, minus the being mates with Red Claw part.
Reedshine - everyone's always like poor Mapleshade, Appledusk cheated on her, and they hate on Reedshine, even though Reedshine got cheated on as well. Also, Reedshine could have been his first mate, I know it seems like she's just some annoying girl, who is all over Appledusk at the gathering, but this is from Mapleshade's POV, from Reedshine's POV, she could have been just a cat, talking to her mate. Anyway, even if she wasn't his first mate, I still think she deserved better. First, she found out that her mate betrayed her, and for a cat from another clan at that. Then, that cat tries to kill her AND her unborn children, and in the scuffle, her mate gets killed right in front of her.
All the ShadowClan cats who died of yellowcough
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Post by Cheetahstar on Feb 28, 2020 3:18:29 GMT -5
Appledusk if Mapleshade hadn't killed him he would have gotten off scot free did he deserve death? no
but come on, he did not deserve a happy get out of jail free card for what he did
cheating, lying, treating his former mate like trash to save his own fur, not caring about his dead kits at all
maybe next time he'll think before he cheats
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Feb 28, 2020 4:43:40 GMT -5
Thinking on it, Blackstar deserved worse. He was the second in command to two of the biggest tyrants in clan history and pretty much got off scot-free.
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Post by spark on Feb 29, 2020 12:46:40 GMT -5
Leafpool, judging on the amount of hate I see for her, I think she's just really under appreciated. Poor girl went through so much, from watching her children grow up believing in a lie she constantly blamed herself for, to basically everyone she ever cared about turn against her, her daughter threatened to kill her before seemingly committing suicide, she lost any respect she ever once had, she was dropped from her med cat duties, and watched her ex mate move on with another cat. And she never complained about it. The conflict between her and Crowfeather kickstarted some of the most interesting drama in the series imo. But to be fair, her novella was boring af
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 29, 2020 16:48:46 GMT -5
Thinking on it, Blackstar deserved worse. He was the second in command to two of the biggest tyrants in clan history and pretty much got off scot-free. I feel like he actually redeemed himself, even if he didn't get punished though.
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Post by Mayflower on Feb 29, 2020 17:06:07 GMT -5
Thinking on it, Blackstar deserved worse. He was the second in command to two of the biggest tyrants in clan history and pretty much got off scot-free. Not to mention that he always seemed to be looking for an excuse for his Clanmates to become rogues, or to become a rogue again himself. I remember three times when he was a rogue due to his own actions (aka consequences of breaking the code), or advocating that his Clanmates abandon the warrior code and/or StarClan. 1. When Brokenstar was exiled, Blackstar went with him and was one of the cats terrorizing the Clans gladly; he stole prey, ambushed patrols, killed Clan warriors, etc. 2. When the Twolegs were destroying the forest, he planned for ShadowClan to become Twolegplace rogues. He was also very angry when the other Clans talked about leaving (because becoming a band of strays would be better than at least trying to leave and die in a more honorable way via following StarClan's will...?) 3. ShadowClan became just full-on rogues because Blackstar basically ordered them to after listening to Sol. It didn't take much for him to be persuaded to abandon the warrior code completely That isn't even touching on his crimes as a warrior. Did he hate Clan life that much or something? I used to think he was one of the better ShadowClan leaders, and I guess he was, but that's only because the bar is set so low that it's on the damn ground at this point. On that note about ShadowClan, Nightstar and Rowanstar deserved better.
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Post by VIXENCLAW on Feb 29, 2020 20:44:50 GMT -5
I personally think Frecklewish from Mapleshade’s Vengeance deserves better.
She was absolutely destroyed by her brother’s death, and was led to believe that Maple’s kits were his. She said she thought she would never be happy again after he died, and Ravenwing remarked that the kits gave her a reason to live.
I honestly don’t blame her for attacking Maple after she found out the truth of the kits’ father, even though it may have been wrong to do so. She thought the whole time they were her brother’s, when it turns out they were the kits of the cat who murdered her brother, who Mapleshade was forbidden to be with in the first place. It must’ve been heartbreaking to learn that.
I really don’t think she purposely let the kits drown, and she definitely didn’t deserve to have such a horrible death. She gets too much hate from the fandom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 20:59:37 GMT -5
I personally think Frecklewish from Mapleshade’s Vengeance deserves better. She was absolutely destroyed by her brother’s death, and was led to believe that Maple’s kits were his. She said she thought she would never be happy again after he died, and Ravenwing remarked that the kits gave her a reason to live. I honestly don’t blame her for attacking Maple after she found out the truth of the kits’ father, even though it may have been wrong to do so. She thought the whole time they were her brother’s, when it turns out they were the kits of the cat who murdered her brother, who Mapleshade was forbidden to be with in the first place. It must’ve been heartbreaking to learn that. I really don’t think she purposely let the kits drown, and she definitely didn’t deserve to have such a horrible death. She gets too much hate from the fandom. I agree completely...I feel like pretty much all of Mapleshade's victims get too much hate, it's really easy to see them all in a negative light, especially when the POV is from an angry cat who believed she was wronged by them. And maybe, in some ways, she was, but I still think they get too much hate. Like Ravenwing, he had to choose between StarClan's will, the entirety of ThunderClan, and a disloyal cat, who became mates with someone who pretty much everyone in ThunderClan believed KILLED one of their own, the leader's son at that. I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I don't think Ravenwing had any ill-will against Mapleshade's kits.
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