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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 9, 2020 2:40:48 GMT -5
The blurb for Darkness Within implied that a battle is coming up in Veil of Shadows that is certainly no water balloon fight. Which cats do you think are screwed?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 9, 2020 9:50:49 GMT -5
Well, it's described in the following book after as a devastating battle for all the clans. So it really does make me wonder just how many cats are going to bite the dust tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 10:10:52 GMT -5
Probably a lot of the background characters, but there might be one or two deaths that are of main characters, to spark emotion. I think this is the time that Harestar dies, maybe not PERMANENTLY, but it could be the start of having Crowfeather as leader.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 10:35:13 GMT -5
tc; twigbranch, lionblaze, thornclaw, whitewing and daisy shc ; dovewing and cinnamontail skc ; sparrowpelt and leafstar rc ; mistystar and reedwhisker wc ; harestar, crowfeather and leaftail
i know this is unlikely, but its what i would like.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 9, 2020 10:56:15 GMT -5
I'm surprised people want Harestar to die? So far he's been doing a good job as a leader, and Crowfeather, like Reed and Squirrel, is much too old for leadership. I doubt he'd make it that far. If anything Harestar would simply lose a life, he's still supposed to have 9 since he's so new.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 9, 2020 11:01:39 GMT -5
Any of the older cats, so those who have been around for the first two arcs besides Squirrelflight. I think it'd be interesting if a few more previous main characters died as well, like Lionblaze and Dovewing. Their deaths would also likely have an impact on the plot as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 11:02:29 GMT -5
I'm surprised people want Harestar to die? So far he's been doing a good job as a leader, and Crowfeather, like Reed and Squirrel, is much too old for leadership. I doubt he'd make it that far. If anything Harestar would simply lose a life, he's still supposed to have 9 since he's so new. This might not be directed at me, but since I mentioned Harestar in my post, it could be, so I'm going to respond. I don't want Harestar to die, I REALLY don't want Harestar to die, but since Crowfeather is super popular, and he's the deputy, he'll more than likely end up being leader, which sadly means that Harestar will more than likely die :/ Though, it would be cool if he didn't have to die, like, maybe he could retire to the elder's den, for some reason. In a perfect world, Crowfeather would bite the dust before Harestar, but I just don't see that happening
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 9, 2020 11:05:15 GMT -5
tc; twigbranch, lionblaze, thornclaw, whitewing and daisy shc ; dovewing and cinnamontail skc ; sparrowpelt and leafstar rc ; mistystar and reedwhisker wc ; harestar, crowfeather and leaftail i know this is unlikely, but its what i would like. Unless the ThunderClan camp is attacked, Daisy even getting injured doesn't seem likely and we actually already know she lives past this book anyway, since her novella takes place between VoS and DW.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 9, 2020 11:07:38 GMT -5
I can see Leafstar dying pretty soon. She has been leader for a v e r y long time. Mistystar as well.
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 9, 2020 11:27:19 GMT -5
I mean...Lightflame already brought this topic up..but I'm guessing the cats destined to die in VOS Battle are:
TC) Thornclaw, Whitewing, Mousewhisker, Cherryfall, Eaglewing, Lionblaze ShC) Tigerstar (1 life), Scorchfur, Sparrowtail, Stonewing SkyC) Leafstar (permanently), Sparrowpelt, Cherrytail (where is she?) Sagenose, Rabbitleap, Reedclaw WC) Harestar (1 life), Leaftail, Emberfoot, Sedgewhisker, Brindlewing RC) Mistystar (1 life), Reedwhisker, Breezeheart, Jayclaw, Havenpelt, Brackenpelt
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 9, 2020 11:46:05 GMT -5
I'm surprised people want Harestar to die? So far he's been doing a good job as a leader, and Crowfeather, like Reed and Squirrel, is much too old for leadership. I doubt he'd make it that far. If anything Harestar would simply lose a life, he's still supposed to have 9 since he's so new. This might not be directed at me, but since I mentioned Harestar in my post, it could be, so I'm going to respond. I don't want Harestar to die, I REALLY don't want Harestar to die, but since Crowfeather is super popular, and he's the deputy, he'll more than likely end up being leader, which sadly means that Harestar will more than likely die :/ Though, it would be cool if he didn't have to die, like, maybe he could retire to the elder's den, for some reason. In a perfect world, Crowfeather would bite the dust before Harestar, but I just don't see that happening Crowfeather, like Tigertwo, actually isn't that popular. Or at least not as popular as he used to be. Over the years he's become more of a controversial character where you either like or hate him. The thing is, if they kill Harestar just to make him leader they'd just be pulling another Rowan, and I don't think the writers, or editors want that. Especially since now they're giving Harestar even more character now that he's leader, I was never really under the impression he'd be replaced by Crow due to Crow being relevant in the series before. If anything he most likely won't reach leadership, and will probably die before that point, kinda like Squirrel, he's a stand in deputy that's past their prime. TC is currently going through huge changes, and both the Deputy/Leader positions are being uprooted. Because of that, I think the plot is too focused on TC vs SC, to take WC into account right now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 11:48:03 GMT -5
This might not be directed at me, but since I mentioned Harestar in my post, it could be, so I'm going to respond. I don't want Harestar to die, I REALLY don't want Harestar to die, but since Crowfeather is super popular, and he's the deputy, he'll more than likely end up being leader, which sadly means that Harestar will more than likely die :/ Though, it would be cool if he didn't have to die, like, maybe he could retire to the elder's den, for some reason. In a perfect world, Crowfeather would bite the dust before Harestar, but I just don't see that happening Crowfeather, like Tigertwo, actually isn't that popular. Or at least not as popular as he used to be. Over the years he's become more of a controversial character where you either like or hate him. The thing is, if they kill Harestar just to make him leader they'd just be pulling another Rowan, and I don't think the writers, or editors want that. Especially since now they're giving Harestar even more character now that he's leader, I was never really under the impression he'd be replaced by Crow due to Crow being relevant in the series before. If anything he most likely won't reach leadership, and will probably die before that point, kinda like Squirrel, he's a stand in deputy that's past their prime. TC is currently going through huge changes, and the both the Deputy/Leader positions are being uproot. Because of that, I think the plot is too focused on TC vs SC, to take WC into account right now. Oh, that makes sense, I didn't even think about it being like Tigerheart. This makes me happy, I just hope that they don't ruin Harestar, he seems to be a fantastic leader so far though, so I have hope
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 9, 2020 11:54:15 GMT -5
Crowfeather, like Tigertwo, actually isn't that popular. Or at least not as popular as he used to be. Over the years he's become more of a controversial character where you either like or hate him. The thing is, if they kill Harestar just to make him leader they'd just be pulling another Rowan, and I don't think the writers, or editors want that. Especially since now they're giving Harestar even more character now that he's leader, I was never really under the impression he'd be replaced by Crow due to Crow being relevant in the series before. If anything he most likely won't reach leadership, and will probably die before that point, kinda like Squirrel, he's a stand in deputy that's past their prime. TC is currently going through huge changes, and the both the Deputy/Leader positions are being uproot. Because of that, I think the plot is too focused on TC vs SC, to take WC into account right now. Oh, that makes sense, I didn't even think about it being like Tigerheart. This makes me happy, I just hope that they don't ruin Harestar, he seems to be a fantastic leader so far though, so I have hope Crowfeather's story is already over and wrapped up in his SE, he has nothing else to contribute but serve his clan until retirement/death, and a more younger but relevant character takes his place. But as of right now, there isn't really much cats that can qualify for that. So my guess is that the Erins will probably incorporate WC into the plot in the future maybe, which centers around a newer generation. And where as I don't mind this, I don't think it will be any time soon. Because RiverClan is honestly in more dire need of change than any other clan right now. ShadowClan has already been through, and WindClan to an extent, SkyClan as well because of AVoS, and currently ThunderClan is dealing with this. The only clan still left out is RiverClan. When it comes to writing, older cats, with a lot more screen-time are honestly more expendable because they've served their purpose. But its good to throw in a few curve balls now and then with much younger cats. But when taking into possibilities of death flags, it's good to take into account certain points. The situation, the character's age, an the focus. This is why many fans think as of right now, Squirrelflight, Bramblestar and Graystripe won't survive this arc. Which is understandable.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 9, 2020 11:57:53 GMT -5
I can see Leafstar dying pretty soon. She has been leader for a v e r y long time. Mistystar as well. She's been through a lot, and at this point I think it's her time as well. I feel bad for her but feel like her clan would be in good paws with Hawkstar. Makes me wonder who he'll choose as deputy though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 11:59:48 GMT -5
Oh, that makes sense, I didn't even think about it being like Tigerheart. This makes me happy, I just hope that they don't ruin Harestar, he seems to be a fantastic leader so far though, so I have hope Crowfeather's story is already over and wrapped up in his SE, he has nothing else to contribute but serve his clan until retirement/death, and a more younger but relevant character takes his place. But as of right now, there isn't really much cats that can qualify for that. So my guess is that the Erins will probably incorporate WC into the plot in the future maybe, which centers around a newer generation. And where as I don't mind this, I don't think it will be any time soon. Because RiverClan is honestly in more dire need of change than any other clan right now. ShadowClan has already been through, and WindClan to an extent, SkyClan as well because of AVoS, and currently ThunderClan is dealing with this. The only clan still left out is RiverClan. When it comes to writing, older cats, with a lot more screen-time are honestly more expendable because they've served their purpose. But its good to throw in a few curve balls now and then with much younger cats. But when taking into possibilities of death flags, it's good to take into account certain points. The situation, the character's age, an the focus. This is why many fans think as of right now, Squirrelflight, Bramblestar and Graystripe won't survive this arc. Which is understandable. That makes sense I would LOVE to see some changes in RiverClan, they've had the same leader, deputy, and medicine cat since forever. Speaking of medicine cats, I kind of like the fact that Kestrelflight hasn't taken an apprentice yet, it kind of fits the WindClan theme that I've noticed, that medicine cats wait until they're SUPER old before taking on an apprentice. I would be really shocked if Squirrelflight died, since she had a death scare in Squirrelflight's Hope, but anything can happen
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Post by Phoenix1410 on Feb 9, 2020 12:13:06 GMT -5
I'm not very good at predicting things, but maybe I'll get something right: TC) Thornclaw, Whitewing, Mousewhisker, Cherryfall, Bumblestripe, Lionblaze, Twigbranch, Leafshade and Flipclaw or Thriftear ShC) Tigerstar (at least one life) Scorchfur, Snowbird, Grassheart, Hollowspring and maybe Dovewing SkC) Leafstar (one or two lives), Sparrowpelt, Dewspring, Kitescratch and maybe Needlepaw (but hopefully not) WC) Brindlewing, Slightfoot, Featherpelt and maybe Crowfeather RC) Mistystar (please, she needs to kick the bucket) and/or Reedwhisker, Mothwing, Minnowtail and Dappletuft
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 9, 2020 12:26:03 GMT -5
tc; twigbranch, lionblaze, thornclaw, whitewing and daisy shc ; dovewing and cinnamontail skc ; sparrowpelt and leafstar rc ; mistystar and reedwhisker wc ; harestar, crowfeather and leaftail i know this is unlikely, but its what i would like. Daisy's Kin comes after VOS so no it cant be her
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 9, 2020 12:28:15 GMT -5
I can see Leafstar dying pretty soon. She has been leader for a v e r y long time. Mistystar as well. I see Leafstar dying in this, but Mistystar still has plenty of lives left, according to Kate:
Source: blogclan.katecary.co.uk/2019/11/11/a-veil-of-shadows-spoiler-page/comment-page-6/#comments
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 9, 2020 12:38:31 GMT -5
Maybe most of the older cats will die, including Leafstar. She's been leader since Firestar's Quest, so it's time for her to kick the bucket.
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 9, 2020 14:39:27 GMT -5
A "devastating" battle sounds to like a fair number of cats from each Clan are getting killed (maybe 5-8 warriors each, who knows). I hope Stemleaf and/or Spotfur die, and could perhaps become martyrs for a rebellion against the Impostor. I speculate that this battle is going to have the Tigerstar/Bramblestar fight Shadowsight got a vision about in Lost Stars as well.
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Post by *Faith* on Feb 9, 2020 14:53:04 GMT -5
I do expect death, but I also have to wonder if there will be cats who are so injured in the battle that they'll have to retire. This happened to Stonepelt and Whiskernose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 14:58:33 GMT -5
50% of ShC gets wiped out, 1 or 2 nobodies from WC, SkC and RC die, and everyone in TC lives to see another day.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 9, 2020 15:03:52 GMT -5
I do expect death, but I also have to wonder if there will be cats who are so injured in the battle that they'll have to retire. This happened to Stonepelt and Whiskernose. In a battle that involves all 5 Clans, this is more than likely.
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 9, 2020 15:06:04 GMT -5
50% of ShC gets wiped out, 1 or 2 nobodies from WC, SkC and RC die, and everyone in TC lives to see another day. Won't be surprised if this turns out to be true
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Post by Cloud on Feb 9, 2020 15:08:09 GMT -5
I can see Leafstar dying pretty soon. She has been leader for a v e r y long time. Mistystar as well. I see Leafstar dying in this, but Mistystar still has plenty of lives left, according to Kate:
Source: blogclan.katecary.co.uk/2019/11/11/a-veil-of-shadows-spoiler-page/comment-page-6/#comments:
I really think that Kate herself even forgot how old Mistystar is... it's very bizarre that she's still alive, when she was born long before Bluestar even became leader. I feel like this is a case where people have honestly forgotten how old a character really is. Anyways. Thunder: Thornclaw, Brackenfur, Thriftear, Mousewhisker, Bumblestripe, Berrynose, Graystripe, Squirrelflight Wind: Leaftail, Crowfeather, Larkwing, Whiskernose, Gorsetail, Harestar, Kestrelflight Shadow: Tigerstar, Stonewing, SCORCHFUR, Snowbird, and Flaxfoot Sky: Leafstar, Palesky, Rabbitleap, Sandynose, Kitescratch River: Mistystar, Mosspelt, Harelight, Owlnose, Duskfur, Lizardtail, Mothwing Personally, I think this book and Darkness Within are going to shake things up a lot with the Clans, and I don't see a lot of cats really surviving this... and I'm wondering if it's going to be a case of the elders rising up and fighting along with the able-bodied warriors.... and lbr, I hate Scorchfur and want him to get killed. Given that the cats don't have a connection with StarClan right now, I'm wondering if it's even possible for the leaders to come back. Brashstar was a different case, and given that Bramblestar is a ghost right now, I don't know if other cats who die would be able to really appear like he did.
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Post by *Faith* on Feb 9, 2020 15:11:28 GMT -5
Here are my death predictions:
TC: Myrtlepaw, Whitewing, Thriftear or Flipclaw, one of Daisy's kits (Berrynose, Rosepetal or Mousewhisker), hopefully Bumblestripe ShC: Snowbird if she joins the fight, Conefoot, Gullswoop or Frondwhisker (Gullswoop is literally the only one of the litter who ever spoke in the series) SkC: Dewspring (I still believe that Rootspring will be named after him in-universe), Kitescratch or Turtlecrawl WC: Leaftail, Fernstripe RC: Havenpelt, Harelight, Owlnose, Podlight
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 9, 2020 15:13:43 GMT -5
Here are my death predictions: TC: Myrtlepaw, Whitewing, Thriftear or Flipclaw, one of Daisy's kits (Berrynose, Rosepetal or Mousewhisker), hopefully Bumblestripe ShC: Snowbird if she joins the fight, Conefoot, Gullswoop or Frondwhisker (Gullswoop is literally the only one of the litter who ever spoke in the series) SkC: Dewspring (I still believe that Rootspring will be named after him in-universe), Kitescratch or Turtlecrawl WC: Leaftail, Fernstripe RC: Havenpelt, Harelight, Owlnose, Podlight This is a very well organized list, thank you. Easy on the eyes.
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 9, 2020 15:22:00 GMT -5
I see Leafstar dying in this, but Mistystar still has plenty of lives left, according to Kate:
Source: blogclan.katecary.co.uk/2019/11/11/a-veil-of-shadows-spoiler-page/comment-page-6/#comments:
I really think that Kate herself even forgot how old Mistystar is... it's very bizarre that she's still alive, when she was born long before Bluestar even became leader. I feel like this is a case where people have honestly forgotten how old a character really is. Anyways. Thunder: Thornclaw, Brackenfur, Thriftear, Mousewhisker, Bumblestripe, Berrynose, Graystripe, Squirrelflight Wind: Leaftail, Crowfeather, Larkwing, Whiskernose, Gorsetail, Harestar, Kestrelflight Shadow: Tigerstar, Stonewing, SCORCHFUR, Snowbird, and Flaxfoot Sky: Leafstar, Palesky, Rabbitleap, Sandynose, Kitescratch River: Mistystar, Mosspelt, Harelight, Owlnose, Duskfur, Lizardtail, Mothwing Personally, I think this book and Darkness Within are going to shake things up a lot with the Clans, and I don't see a lot of cats really surviving this... and I'm wondering if it's going to be a case of the elders rising up and fighting along with the able-bodied warriors.... and lbr, I hate Scorchfur and want him to get killed. Given that the cats don't have a connection with StarClan right now, I'm wondering if it's even possible for the leaders to come back. Brashstar was a different case, and given that Bramblestar is a ghost right now, I don't know if other cats who die would be able to really appear like he did. I really do wonder if leaders lose a life, or if warriors die, do they become stuck in purrgatory as a ghost now? Bramblestar was a rather specific case. Do leaders just...remain dead, and not come back? With Bramble I'm guessing his spirit had nowhere to go, so he just went to being a ghost.
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Post by platinum blond death on Feb 9, 2020 15:27:24 GMT -5
TC: Graystripe, Cloudtail, Daisy, literally anyone from the first arc that isn't Fake!Bramblestar ShC: Scorchfur, Snowbird RC: Mistystar, other cats that idk the name of. WC: Cats. SkC: Leafstar, Frecklewish perhaps?
idk anything anymore, if this battle is anti-climatic i will riot. i want it to have the right amount of fight.
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