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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 14:07:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry for saying this, and I know people may disagree, but I don't really like when leaders reward cats who have done bad, to prove that they can trust them, or whatever.
Like when Onestar made Harestar deputy to show WindClan that the Dark Forest trainees could be trusted. I don't hate that he made Harestar deputy, he proved that he could show good judgement, and compassion, not only for WindClan, but for all the clans, and he's also been shown that he knows how to compromise, so I don't hate the fact that he's leader, and heck, even if he wasn't, he's still leagues better than the last one.
Or when Tigerheart made Juniperclaw deputy, to show the ShadowClan that they could trust the cats who went with Darktail.
They're like, "Okay, I trust these guys who betrayed their clan, and you should too!" And they like reward them for doing bad things, I don't get it. I think that they should earn their clanmates' trust back through their own merit, you know?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 1, 2020 14:51:40 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure not many would actually disagree with you on this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 14:56:43 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure not many would actually disagree with you on this. Oh really? I just didn't want to start any major arguments or whatever, so I added that just in case it offended anyone
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Post by Mayflower on Feb 1, 2020 19:36:26 GMT -5
I definitely agree. It's a dumb thing to do, if you ask me. I kind of understand it to a degree, such as Firestar giving Squirrelflight two apprentices after the discovery in PO3 (but imo, he shouldn't have given her another apprentice immediately after her first...like, Brightheart was right there, and still had never had an apprentice. Squirrelflight mentoring Foxleap was enough to prove Firestar's point, rather than Foxleap, then Rosepetal back-to-back). Like you said, it does work out sometimes, such as in Harestar's and Crowfrost's cases, because they turned out to be genuinely good cats. I think it helps that there are moons when we didn't see either of them, so they could've grown a lot in the time between being regular warriors before being deputies.
In many other cases, however, the logic makes no sense, and frankly, it makes the leaders look plain stupid. I will never understand how Tigerheart got all pissed when he was told that Juniperclaw poisoned SkyClan, considering Juniperclaw's previous behavior. We know who he is, and we've watched him do bad stuff repeatedly. It made Tigerheart look like a total buffoon later when it turns out that...surprise, surprise, Juniperclaw did do that. That's your deputy, dude, and his earlier betrayal was a big point as to why you picked him -- to show you trust him now. What makes you think he wouldn't stoop that low, when he's already openly and unapologetically betrayed his own Clanmates before? Meanwhile, there's no reason why Cloverfoot couldn't have been deputy from the start, for example, when she's far more levelheaded and a better choice than Juniperclaw, though she did also betray her Clanmates. When you compare the personalities, though, she's the better decision, if Tigerheart was so intent on proving a point about trusting the traitors.
That's just one of many examples where I think the leaders need to consider their Clanmate's growth since their incidents, and see if maybe they can be trusted again. Just straight-up rewarding them is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 19:39:44 GMT -5
I definitely agree. It's a dumb thing to do, if you ask me. I kind of understand it to a degree, such as Firestar giving Squirrelflight two apprentices after the discovery in PO3 (but imo, he shouldn't have given her another apprentice immediately after her first...like, Brightheart was right there, and still had never had an apprentice. Squirrelflight mentoring Foxleap was enough to prove Firestar's point, rather than Foxleap, then Rosepetal back-to-back). Like you said, it does work out sometimes, such as in Harestar's and Crowfrost's cases, because they turned out to be genuinely good cats. I think it helps that there are moons when we didn't see either of them, so they could've grown a lot in the time between being regular warriors before being deputies. In many other cases, however, the logic makes no sense, and frankly, it makes the leaders look plain stupid. I will never understand how Tigerheart got all pissed when he was told that Juniperclaw poisoned SkyClan, considering Juniperclaw's previous behavior. We know who he is, and we've watched him do bad stuff repeatedly. It made Tigerheart look like a total buffoon later when it turns out that...surprise, surprise, Juniperclaw did do that. That's your deputy, dude, and his earlier betrayal was a big point as to why you picked him -- to show you trust him now. What makes you think he wouldn't stoop that low, when he's already openly and unapologetically betrayed his own Clanmates before? Meanwhile, there's no reason why Cloverfoot couldn't have been deputy from the start, for example, when she's far more levelheaded and a better choice than Juniperclaw, though she did also betray her Clanmates. When you compare the personalities, though, she's the better decision, if Tigerheart was so intent on proving a point about trusting the traitors. That's just one of many examples where I think the leaders need to consider their Clanmate's growth since their incidents, and see if maybe they can be trusted again. Just straight-up rewarding them is ridiculous. I completely agree about Brightheart, she should have had Foxleap in the first place, because Firestar PROMISED her either him or Icekit. As for Tigerheart, I don't think Juniperclaw was the WORST cat in the clan for him to have chosen, there were other cats who were worse than he was. But other than that, I think the reason Tigerheart picked Juniperclaw over Cloverfoot, is because he's his nephew.
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Post by Mayflower on Feb 1, 2020 19:52:25 GMT -5
I definitely agree. It's a dumb thing to do, if you ask me. I kind of understand it to a degree, such as Firestar giving Squirrelflight two apprentices after the discovery in PO3 (but imo, he shouldn't have given her another apprentice immediately after her first...like, Brightheart was right there, and still had never had an apprentice. Squirrelflight mentoring Foxleap was enough to prove Firestar's point, rather than Foxleap, then Rosepetal back-to-back). Like you said, it does work out sometimes, such as in Harestar's and Crowfrost's cases, because they turned out to be genuinely good cats. I think it helps that there are moons when we didn't see either of them, so they could've grown a lot in the time between being regular warriors before being deputies. In many other cases, however, the logic makes no sense, and frankly, it makes the leaders look plain stupid. I will never understand how Tigerheart got all pissed when he was told that Juniperclaw poisoned SkyClan, considering Juniperclaw's previous behavior. We know who he is, and we've watched him do bad stuff repeatedly. It made Tigerheart look like a total buffoon later when it turns out that...surprise, surprise, Juniperclaw did do that. That's your deputy, dude, and his earlier betrayal was a big point as to why you picked him -- to show you trust him now. What makes you think he wouldn't stoop that low, when he's already openly and unapologetically betrayed his own Clanmates before? Meanwhile, there's no reason why Cloverfoot couldn't have been deputy from the start, for example, when she's far more levelheaded and a better choice than Juniperclaw, though she did also betray her Clanmates. When you compare the personalities, though, she's the better decision, if Tigerheart was so intent on proving a point about trusting the traitors. That's just one of many examples where I think the leaders need to consider their Clanmate's growth since their incidents, and see if maybe they can be trusted again. Just straight-up rewarding them is ridiculous. I completely agree about Brightheart, she should have had Foxleap in the first place, because Firestar PROMISED her either him or Icekit. As for Tigerheart, I don't think Juniperclaw was the WORST cat in the clan for him to have chosen, there were other cats who were worse than he was. But other than that, I think the reason Tigerheart picked Juniperclaw over Cloverfoot, is because he's his nephew. Yeah, definitely not the worst! Though I think he only could've gotten worse if he'd chosen Scorchfur lol but there were other cats he could've picked, too, if he wanted to keep leadership positions in the family. Isn't Strikestone his kin, too? Then again, Strikestone never betrayed the Clan, so then there would be no point to prove...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 19:54:10 GMT -5
I completely agree about Brightheart, she should have had Foxleap in the first place, because Firestar PROMISED her either him or Icekit. As for Tigerheart, I don't think Juniperclaw was the WORST cat in the clan for him to have chosen, there were other cats who were worse than he was. But other than that, I think the reason Tigerheart picked Juniperclaw over Cloverfoot, is because he's his nephew. Yeah, definitely not the worst! Though I think he only could've gotten worse if he'd chosen Scorchfur lol but there were other cats he could've picked, too, if he wanted to keep leadership positions in the family. Isn't Strikestone his kin, too? Then again, Strikestone never betrayed the Clan, so then there would be no point to prove... Yeah, I think Strikestone would have been an amazing deputy, from what I've read of Tigerheart's Shadow so far, he seems like he's a hard working patient guy with a good head on his shoulders. Imagine Sleekwhisker as deputy XD
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Post by Mayflower on Feb 1, 2020 20:03:40 GMT -5
Yeah, definitely not the worst! Though I think he only could've gotten worse if he'd chosen Scorchfur lol but there were other cats he could've picked, too, if he wanted to keep leadership positions in the family. Isn't Strikestone his kin, too? Then again, Strikestone never betrayed the Clan, so then there would be no point to prove... Yeah, I think Strikestone would have been an amazing deputy, from what I've read of Tigerheart's Shadow so far, he seems like he's a hard working patient guy with a good head on his shoulders. Imagine Sleekwhisker as deputy XD Strikestone is definitely awesome. He's one of ShC's best cats, imo, and deserves more limelight. I'm hoping he'll be in a leadership position someday, since he's one of my favorite ShC warriors (which isn't something I say often about ShC nowadays). Sorry to Tigerheart fans, but I would not mind in least if Tigerheart died, then Cloverfoot became leader and named Strikestone as her deputy. Cloverstar and Strikestone would be a powerful, levelheaded duo! It would be, like, double Harestar, but in ShC. Okay, I changed my mind: short of choosing Scorchfur or Sleekwhisker, of all cats, Tigerheart couldn't have been dumber when picking Juniperclaw 😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 20:09:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I think Strikestone would have been an amazing deputy, from what I've read of Tigerheart's Shadow so far, he seems like he's a hard working patient guy with a good head on his shoulders. Imagine Sleekwhisker as deputy XD Strikestone is definitely awesome. He's one of ShC's best cats, imo, and deserves more limelight. I'm hoping he'll be in a leadership position someday, since he's one of my favorite ShC warriors (which isn't something I say often about ShC nowadays). Sorry to Tigerheart fans, but I would not mind in least if Tigerheart died, then Cloverfoot became leader and named Strikestone as her deputy. Cloverstar and Strikestone would be a powerful, levelheaded duo! It would be, like, double Harestar, but in ShC. Okay, I changed my mind: short of choosing Scorchfur or Sleekwhisker, of all cats, Tigerheart couldn't have been dumber when picking Juniperclaw 😂 Strikestar would sound SO cool. I'm honestly beginning to think I'm the only person who likes Tigerheart on this site lol if there are any others, they're pretty well hidden XD I liked Juniperclaw but not because of his personality, but because of his name, and the fact that he looks the most like Crowfrost.
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