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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 20:48:08 GMT -5
Which deaths did you find to be the most annoying?
For me, it's probably Molepaw, Brackenfur and Sorreltail's kit.
Apparently, he was killed off because four kits were too many to have in one litter...like since WHEN?
There are TONS for four kit litters, INCLUDING Brackenfur's.
What makes matters worse, is that Molepaw was Brackenfur and Sorreltail's ONLY son, they had another litter, and it consisted of two daughters.
I probably would have been upset if any of the others had died (except for maybe Cinderheart, because the Cinderpelt reincarnation/possession storyline was so irritating and made no sense) but the reason they killed off Molepaw was SO dumb (if it's true) and he didn't even get any screen time.
Another is Foxleap, who they apparently killed off, because they realized that he was the uncle of the cat who had a crush on him, which is a dumb reason to kill him off. He had more personality than A LOT of cats in the series, why couldn't they just go back, and be like, "Oh, that was supposed to be (insert other cat here) that Rosepetal liked, not Foxleap, like they did with Mousewhisker and Thornclaw, instead of killing off a super interesting character.
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Post by Lightflame on Jan 31, 2020 20:50:18 GMT -5
I've always been unhappy with Petal's death. She had a lot more potential to play a role in the arc, and she was one of my favourite characters. Plus, her death happens after the climax of the book, and doesn't lead to any character or plot development.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jan 31, 2020 20:51:54 GMT -5
A lot of the offscreen deaths, for example due to greencough.
Especially disappointed about Icecloud, Foxleap, Hazetail, Toadstep. Loved them. They were some of my favorite background characters!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 20:53:08 GMT -5
I've always been unhappy with Petal's death. She had a lot more potential to play a role in the arc, and she was one of my favourite characters. Plus, her death happens after the climax of the book, and doesn't lead to any character or plot development. Didn't she die of the stupid illness? Like, after everything she went through, and everything she did, they give don't even give her a noble death?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 20:55:38 GMT -5
A lot of the offscreen deaths, for example due to greencough. Especially disappointed about Icecloud, Foxleap, Hazetail, Toadstep. Loved them. They were some of my favorite background characters! Same! Like, Foxleap and Icecloud were Dustpelt's BEST kits, and they died right after the other, like they were some throw aways, even though they had wayyy more personality than their older brothers. I have always adored Toadstep, and Hazeltail seemed sweet too. They really did kill off Daisy's best kits, but at least Mousewhisker's still around (he's my second favorite after Toadstep)
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 31, 2020 20:59:15 GMT -5
The only one I've actually been annoyed with was Honeyfern's, just because of how pointless it all was.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jan 31, 2020 21:00:21 GMT -5
A lot of the offscreen deaths, for example due to greencough. Especially disappointed about Icecloud, Foxleap, Hazetail, Toadstep. Loved them. They were some of my favorite background characters! Same! Like, Foxleap and Icecloud were Dustpelt's BEST kits, and they died right after the other, like they were some throw aways, even though they had wayyy more personality than their older brothers. I have always adored Toadstep, and Hazeltail seemed sweet too. They really did kill off Daisy's best kits, but at least Mousewhisker's still around (he's my second favorite after Toadstep) I agree completely with what you said about Fox and Ice. (Also mad because I wanted Hazel/Fox and Lion/Ice.) I like all of Daisy’s kits actually!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 21:04:38 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵It was. If they wanted an excuse to have Poppyfrost be at the moonpool, so she and Jayfeather could be attacked by Brokenstar and Breezepelt, or if it's because of the Hollyleaf trying to poison Leafpool with deathberries things, there could have been a ton of different ways to lead up to that, that didn't involve any deaths or love drama IvyfalconThose would have been SUPER cute pairings! Yeah, I do like all of her kits, but Rosepetal annoys me a little bit, because she's had sooo many apprentices, and Brightheart never got the one she was promised. I suppose that's not Rosepetal's fault though, so it's not fair to dislike her for that
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 31, 2020 21:14:27 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵It was. If they wanted an excuse to have Poppyfrost be at the moonpool, so she and Jayfeather could be attacked by Brokenstar and Breezepelt, or if it's because of the Hollyleaf trying to poison Leafpool with deathberries things, there could have been a ton of different ways to lead up to that, that didn't involve any deaths or love drama Honeyfern was killed solely because of the latter (the Poppyfrost thing was probably an afterthought), and honestly, just the mere presence of a snake should've been enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 21:16:56 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 It was. If they wanted an excuse to have Poppyfrost be at the moonpool, so she and Jayfeather could be attacked by Brokenstar and Breezepelt, or if it's because of the Hollyleaf trying to poison Leafpool with deathberries things, there could have been a ton of different ways to lead up to that, that didn't involve any deaths or love drama Honeyfern was killed solely because of the latter (the Poppyfrost thing was probably an afterthought), and honestly, just the mere presence of a snake should've been enough. Yeah, that's true
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Post by Protractor on Jan 31, 2020 21:28:29 GMT -5
Foxleap's was really annoying. He was the only cat I know of that's name began with fox and didn't literally mean the b-word.
Moon Shadow. He was such a good bean,I wish he'd lived longer
That one that fell down the mountain after the clans started crossing the mountains and the ground fell out from under it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 22:55:21 GMT -5
Foxleap's was really annoying. He was the only cat I know of that's name began with fox and didn't literally mean the b-word. Moon Shadow. He was such a good bean,I wish he'd lived longer That one that fell down the mountain after the clans started crossing the mountains and the ground fell out from under it Smokepaw? Yeah, that was really sad. Also, in that series, poor Talonpaw getting killed by that stupid kittypet, I forgot who his mentor was, I think it was Cedarheart, but he seemed distraught I didn't really care about Moon Shadow, I found him annoying, but I did feel really sorry for Tall Shadow and Sun Shadow.
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Post by Protractor on Jan 31, 2020 22:59:49 GMT -5
Foxleap's was really annoying. He was the only cat I know of that's name began with fox and didn't literally mean the b-word. Moon Shadow. He was such a good bean,I wish he'd lived longer That one that fell down the mountain after the clans started crossing the mountains and the ground fell out from under it Smokepaw? Yeah, that was really sad. Also, in that series, poor Talonpaw getting killed by that stupid kittypet, I forgot who his mentor was, I think it was Cedarheart, but he seemed distraught I didn't really care about Moon Shadow, I found him annoying, but I did feel really sorry for Tall Shadow and Sun Shadow. Well you see that's why I liked him so much. Or at least part of the reason anyway. Cats like Moon Shadow aren't massively liked and that gives me reason to like them. They all deserve love
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:11:21 GMT -5
Smokepaw? Yeah, that was really sad. Also, in that series, poor Talonpaw getting killed by that stupid kittypet, I forgot who his mentor was, I think it was Cedarheart, but he seemed distraught I didn't really care about Moon Shadow, I found him annoying, but I did feel really sorry for Tall Shadow and Sun Shadow. Well you see that's why I liked him so much. Or at least part of the reason anyway. Cats like Moon Shadow aren't massively liked and that gives me reason to like them. They all deserve love I agree I feel that way about some characters, like Tigerheart, but I can also see the good in them too, like more good than bad actually
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Feb 1, 2020 1:06:58 GMT -5
Rowanstar. He should of at least had a chance to redeem himself instead of killing him off for Tigerstar 2.0 to be leader.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 1, 2020 1:11:26 GMT -5
Foxleap's was really annoying. He was the only cat I know of that's name began with fox and didn't literally mean the b-word. Moon Shadow. He was such a good bean,I wish he'd lived longer That one that fell down the mountain after the clans started crossing the mountains and the ground fell out from under it Smokepaw? Yeah, that was really sad. Also, in that series, poor Talonpaw getting killed by that stupid kittypet, I forgot who his mentor was, I think it was Cedarheart, but he seemed distraught I didn't really care about Moon Shadow, I found him annoying, but I did feel really sorry for Tall Shadow and Sun Shadow. Talonpaw’s mentor was Rowanstar, and he was indeed extremely distraught. He was ready to charge head on at the kittypets who killed his apprentice without a second thought. It was really sad to read about, I remember that scene well ;.;
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 1:36:56 GMT -5
Firestar. Just:
"Should we help Firestar?" "Naw, let's just stand uselessly in a circle around him, an old man, as he fights a ghost who has been hellbent on killing him for years." "Aight" -10 minutes later- "I can't believe Firestar is dead! ;w;"
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Post by wolfcry32 on Feb 1, 2020 7:25:04 GMT -5
Rowanstar. It was a noble death, but a death that shouldn’t have happened for a myriad of reasons.
Talonpaw. By kittypets no less?
Rainwhisker. He just...died from a falling tree branch. Just a passing mention and then never mentioned again. Not to mention it was on the heels of Sorreltail losing her son and her other brother. AND that’s not counting that they also lost their parents before hand. Cursed bloodline.
Foxleap. They totally could have let him live while also subtly ignoring that they had been shopping him with a relative. They’ve retconned relationships before!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 7:48:25 GMT -5
MoonblazerThanks That is sad, but sweet. It's good to see an actual strong mentor/apprentice bond, like, they talk about it ALL the time, but they rarely ever show it, you know? @happy413 Wow, is that really how it happened? That's ridiculous lol Neekwanakwaki (Cloud)Agreed. Again, I adore Tigerheartstar, but I don't think a disloyal Dark Forest trainee deserved to be leader. wolfcry32Right? I agree with all of those! I made a sort of joke before that the males in Whitestorm's bloodline are cursed
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 1, 2020 13:27:55 GMT -5
Rowanstar, Talonpaw, Smokepaw, and I have to admit, Flametail's death by drowning was ridiculous. What a way to die.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 13:34:23 GMT -5
Rowanstar, Talonpaw, Smokepaw, and I have to admit, Flametail's death by drowning was ridiculous. What a way to die. It seems like mostly everyone drowns in ShadowClan, or at least in Tawnypelt's family
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 1, 2020 13:44:05 GMT -5
Rowanstar, Talonpaw, Smokepaw, and I have to admit, Flametail's death by drowning was ridiculous. What a way to die. It seems like mostly everyone drowns in ShadowClan, or at least in Tawnypelt's family True. Poor Tawnypelt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 13:46:00 GMT -5
It seems like mostly everyone drowns in ShadowClan, or at least in Tawnypelt's family True. Poor Tawnypelt. Poor everyone in her family She lost her mate, her son, daughter, and grandson (her mate didn't die from drowning, but the other three did) Poor Strikestone lost his mother and his sister, and his father died because of Onestar, and yellowcough, but he could have been saved. Poor Tigerheart lost both his littermates and his nephew
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 1, 2020 13:52:21 GMT -5
Poor everyone in her family She lost her mate, her son, daughter, and grandson (her mate didn't die from drowning, but the other three did) Poor Strikestone lost his mother and his sister, and his father died because of Onestar, and yellowcough, but he could have been saved. Poor Tigerheart lost both his littermates and his nephew Yeah, that's a lot of cats to lose. ):
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 13:56:17 GMT -5
Poor everyone in her family She lost her mate, her son, daughter, and grandson (her mate didn't die from drowning, but the other three did) Poor Strikestone lost his mother and his sister, and his father died because of Onestar, and yellowcough, but he could have been saved. Poor Tigerheart lost both his littermates and his nephew Yeah, that's a lot of cats to lose. ): ShadowClan are like cockroaches, they go through sooo much stuff, and yet, they always seem to persevere
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Post by platinum blond death on Feb 1, 2020 14:43:31 GMT -5
Rainwhisker's death. Stop killing cats offscreen! (off page?) Crowfrost. Are we really going to knife one of the more rational cats? Tigerclawstar. His first one. You're telling me that StarClan really couldn't handle that wound? You're telling me a tiny cat really caused that? I get we needed BloodClan there as well but . . . really? Really? And then they shove in his epic battle with Firestar in TLH. Anyone who's died of greencough off page. C'mon, show us the death!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 14:49:45 GMT -5
Rainwhisker's death. Stop killing cats offscreen! (off page?) Crowfrost. Are we really going to knife one of the more rational cats? Tigerclawstar. His first one. You're telling me that StarClan really couldn't handle that wound? You're telling me a tiny cat really caused that? I get we needed BloodClan there as well but . . . really? Really? And then they shove in his epic battle with Firestar in TLH. Anyone who's died of greencough off page. C'mon, show us the death! Omg yes about Crowfrost! To make matters worse, is that if they had given him the lungwort, but by then it was too late, but he was still well enough to eat it, so maybe if they had just been, idk, one hour sooner or something, he could have lived, and that the thought of that just hurts. As for Scourge, didn't he have reinforced claws? I'm still confused on how they managed to do their nails I also agree about everyone dying in between arcs and only getting a mention, but their deaths not being in any SEs or novellas. Like, Willowpelt, her death was shown in a novella, so was Foxleap's and Sorreltail's, but Rainwhisker and Molepaw weren't
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 2, 2020 11:03:15 GMT -5
Willowpelt's death was in Firestar's Quest. ShadowClan goes through cats like crazy. Sad, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 11:06:54 GMT -5
Willowpelt's death was in Firstar's Quest. ShadowClan goes through cats like crazy. Sad, though. To make Willowpelt's death even more lame, is the fact that a year or so later, that same son she died saving from the badger, was killed by a badger! I hope it was the same badger
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 2, 2020 11:14:40 GMT -5
Willowpelt's death was in Firestar's Quest. ShadowClan goes through cats like crazy. Sad, though. To make Willowpelt's death even more lame, is the fact that a year or so later, that same son she died saving from the badger, was killed by a badger! I hope it was the same badger True! I almost forgot about that.
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