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Post by Cheetahstar on Jan 27, 2020 21:26:06 GMT -5
Like how could her clan let alone Mistystar forgive her
Like if I was Misty I would curse Leopardstar every single day
Shes easily top 6 worst leader material
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Post by Woofzie on Jan 27, 2020 21:32:26 GMT -5
I understand why Mistystar chose to forgive her.
Still, she made some questionable choices and was utterly annoying even after The Darkest Hour. So yeah, trash leader material.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 21:38:29 GMT -5
I agree 100% Not only is she trash, she is STUPID trash. Like, RiverClan is the second buffest clan in the forest, they were on THEIR turf, they could have easily taken on those weak ShadowClan weenies, and I think if she humbled herself and asked for help, Firestar and the rest of ThunderClan wouldn't hesitate. Also, I'm sure WindClan would have LOVED to take on ShadowClan
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Post by Oceanmist97 on Jan 27, 2020 21:51:21 GMT -5
I could not agree more. She is my least favorite leader by a long shot.
Leopardstar is a racist with far too much power, and it always baffles me that the Erins themselves seemed to like her.
She nearly destroyed RiverClan by essentially handing over the leadership to TigerClan. Allowed the torture of two young cats as well as two cats that she had essentially grown up with, cats who trusted her and had absolutely no reason to be disloyal to her. She had apologized to Mistystar on her deathbed, but had she prior to that? I doubt it.
Stonefur’s murder aside, I don’t think Leopardstar ever really regretted her actions. If she had, she wouldn’t have driven out Stormfur and Brook. She allowed for his torture and then exiled him all because of the word of two cats who were the children of the war criminal she supposedly loved.
RiverClan should have honestly driven her out after The Darkest Hour. She is a dangerous cat who nearly destroyed her Clan and acted without their best interests numerous times.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 27, 2020 22:35:11 GMT -5
I feel like I'm one of the few that actually liked and enjoyed her character and didn't mind her much as a leader, lol.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 27, 2020 23:07:39 GMT -5
Allying with Tigerstar aside, I didn't really think she was that bad.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 27, 2020 23:32:23 GMT -5
I’m fine with her. She was headstrong, sharp and wanted to be as strong as she could be for Riverclan. I mean, her and Blackstar are extremely similar and I was fine with both of them as leaders. They made foolish and questionable decisions, but it was clear that they cared for the strength of their clans. Leopardstar was also really cute in CP so there’s that too.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jan 28, 2020 8:43:55 GMT -5
Allying with Tigerstar aside, I didn't really think she was that bad. Helping Onestar attack Thunderclan in the night also comes to mind. Everyone skewers Onestar for it but Leopardstar never gets critiqued for it for some reason. Also, I feel like saying "Causing several deaths aside, she isn't that bad" is a little bit strange in general as a defense. Imagine if she said that in court. "Your honor, I may have killed that guy, but in my defense, aside from that, I wasn't that bad, am I?" I'm pretty sure they'd still go to jail in spite of that bulletproof defense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 8:47:13 GMT -5
She's...meh.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 28, 2020 10:02:17 GMT -5
Allying with Tigerstar aside, I didn't really think she was that bad. Helping Onestar attack Thunderclan in the night also comes to mind. Everyone skewers Onestar for it but Leopardstar never gets critiqued for it for some reason. Also, I feel like saying "Causing several deaths aside, she isn't that bad" is a little bit strange in general as a defense. Imagine if she said that in court. "Your honor, I may have killed that guy, but in my defense, aside from that, I wasn't that bad, am I?" I'm pretty sure they'd still go to jail in spite of that bulletproof defense. I didn't expect for anyone to reply to my post, but since I don't appreciate my words being twisted around, it wasn't my intention to defend her. Sorry for not acknowledging in my initial post what a horrible leader she really was, how she shouldn't have allied with Tigerstar based on her pride and feelings for him and what a stupid decision it was to make an alliance with Onestar to attack ThunderClan. Just because I didn't outright condem her doesn't mean I think what she did was right in any way. I'm perfectly aware of her crimes. As far as her leadership is concerned, I don't even care that much for Leopardstar anyway, especially when I take other horrible leaders into account and she's been dead for a long time now. I don't really give her much thought. Leopardstar was a prideful cat set in her ways and ended up paying the price for it, there's no denying that. And given all that happened after Crookedstar passed away, she either should've never been made deputy or at the very least should've learned to keep her emotions in check when making important decisions first.
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Post by ashheart19 on Jan 28, 2020 23:28:20 GMT -5
*hides behind bush*
I actually like Leopardstar.
Yes, her actions were bad, but she was a very headstrong, feisty, and prideful cat. That's what I like about her. Also, they should use the Leopard- prefix more, I think it was only used twice (correct me if I'm wrong).
I feel that the reason she complied with Tigerstar could possibly be also because she didn't have any other choice. If she refused, Tigerstar and ShadowClan could have attacked her Clan, possibly resulting in more deaths. I think she was just trying to do what was best for her Clan. It's not in her character to ask the other Clans for help, anyways. Once Stonefur died, she started to have second thoughts.
Same with the Stormfur and Brook scenario, I feel like she was trying to do what was best for her Clan and "StarClan" sent an omen to kick them out of RiverClan so she was just following them. I don't think she actually knew that Hawkfrost and Mothwing faked the omen.
She's a flawed cat, WAY flawed, but that's also what I like about her. She wasn't completely perfect but she led RiverClan the best she could, though OBVIOUSLY not the best method.
That being said, I DON'T AGREE with her actions AT ALL, but I do like her personality-wise.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 29, 2020 0:40:10 GMT -5
Allying with Tigerstar aside, I didn't really think she was that bad. Helping Onestar attack Thunderclan in the night also comes to mind. Everyone skewers Onestar for it but Leopardstar never gets critiqued for it for some reason. Also, I feel like saying "Causing several deaths aside, she isn't that bad" is a little bit strange in general as a defense. Imagine if she said that in court. "Your honor, I may have killed that guy, but in my defense, aside from that, I wasn't that bad, am I?" I'm pretty sure they'd still go to jail in spite of that bulletproof defense. But this can easily be said about Blackstar. Both cats have allied with Tigerstar, both cats have killed/caused deaths. Both cats became/were leaders. But for some interesting reason Leopardstar seems to get much more hate than Blackstar does tbh, when neither were over all bad leaders in the long run, and neither were very happy go dory with ThunderClan either. Also this is a society where cats kill one another all the time. Onestar gets flake for the night attack because: 1. He used to be Firestar's ally and was his bestfriend. 2. Firestar and ThunderClan were the only reason he became leader in the first place. 3. They stole food from their territory and refused to own up to it. 4. The attack was blind-sighted, and only WindClan cats were in the camp. RiverClan cats weren't recognized until later on in the battle on TC territory, not the camp. And it's when they realized this that they knew they needed back up help from ShadowClan. 5. Not to mention, again, Leopardstar has never liked nor has been friendly toward Firestar. We don't know the details of the deal Onestar offered her, but we knew enough about her character at the time that it's unsurprising she would help. 6. Onestar also attacked ThunderClan without any real reason, just because Onestar wanted to make a statement, and ruin his ties with them. The scene when Firestar realizes it's Onestar himself leading the attack, he's utterly furious, and his voice stops all the fighting. Honestly, I felt bad for him, having to put up with that from a supposed friend/ally.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jan 29, 2020 7:44:11 GMT -5
Helping Onestar attack Thunderclan in the night also comes to mind. Everyone skewers Onestar for it but Leopardstar never gets critiqued for it for some reason. Also, I feel like saying "Causing several deaths aside, she isn't that bad" is a little bit strange in general as a defense. Imagine if she said that in court. "Your honor, I may have killed that guy, but in my defense, aside from that, I wasn't that bad, am I?" I'm pretty sure they'd still go to jail in spite of that bulletproof defense. But this can easily be said about Blackstar. Both cats have allied with Tigerstar, both cats have killed/caused deaths. Both cats became/were leaders. But for some interesting reason Leopardstar seems to get much more hate than Blackstar does tbh, when neither were over all bad leaders in the long run, and neither were very happy go dory with ThunderClan either. Also this is a society where cats kill one another all the time. Onestar gets flake for the night attack because: 1. He used to be Firestar's ally and was his bestfriend. 2. Firestar and ThunderClan were the only reason he became leader in the first place. 3. They stole food from their territory and refused to own up to it. 4. The attack was blind-sighted, and only WindClan cats were in the camp. RiverClan cats weren't recognized until later on in the battle on TC territory, not the camp. And it's when they realized this that they knew they needed back up help from ShadowClan. 5. Not to mention, again, Leopardstar has never liked nor has been friendly toward Firestar. We don't know the details of the deal Onestar offered her, but we knew enough about her character at the time that it's unsurprising she would help. 6. Onestar also attacked ThunderClan without any real reason, just because Onestar wanted to make a statement, and ruin his ties with them. The scene when Firestar realizes it's Onestar himself leading the attack, he's utterly furious, and his voice stops all the fighting. Honestly, I felt bad for him, having to put up with that from a supposed friend/ally. I can't speak for a difference between Blackstar and Leopardstar's treatment from people because I haven't seen it, but if there was one, I'd suspect the difference is because Blackstar didn't have the authority to refuse like Leopardstar did. He was deputy, but it's not like he had a whole clan depending on him or anything like that. And he didn't do it to cats of his own clan. Leopardstar, on the other hand, sold out her whole clan that she was meant to protect and led to the deaths of her own clan's cats. I don't know if that makes it more justifiable for her to get more hate if she in fact does(as I said I haven't seen any difference), but if there is, that's probably why. It's that she betrayed all of her responsibilities. Killings happen in battles over territory, yes. Not in executions solely over who someone's parents are. There's a wide difference between those two things, and even wider in Leopardstar's case because it was the death of her own clanmates and subjects as well, which never happens. All of those factors mentioned would be ones Leopardstar would have known about by nature of the attack and have had to accept and sign off on. Which is her general problem, one could say.
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