Heterosexual
Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Jan 26, 2020 0:24:01 GMT -5
Ok, so its pretty obvious the villain for TBC is Ashfur, I can't deny that. Which is why this arc has a huge potential of being in my top 3. But I don't get why its Ashfur. Why would he do this? Since when does he want to destroy the Clans? He was a cat who would attack any threat towards ThunderClan without hesitation (the badgers in Twilight, scouting for a fox without assistance). He never held any quarrel with another Clan. He said he forgave Brambleclaw, so why would he still have beef going on with Bramblestar? Why would he possess Bramblestar, who he no longer hates, I believe? Makes no sense to me. His only quarrel was with Squirrelflight, why cause chaos among all the Clans then...
He must be traumatized every day by his mothers death, why would he implement the same exact method even if it means Sparkpelt, which is an expected/understandable target, being Squirrelflight's kin? Why would he destroy the warrior code, which he believed he was following when he was alive even though he wasn't in LS? He always cared for elders...
Only thing I gather from all this is that he became crazy in StarClan, like Mapleshade did in the Dark Forest. Maybe because he was away from Squirrelflight for so long and he never got what he wished, being it her love or his revenge on her?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 0:47:26 GMT -5
Because he's jealous, possessive, and wants to make Squirrelflight hurt. He's probably not working alone, either.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 26, 2020 1:07:07 GMT -5
He never forgave Bramble, and intentionally wanted to drag him down at one point. But his quarrel was with Squirrelflight, as long as she suffered he had no qualms ruining others to make that happen. Just like he probably would have no qualms destroying the clans just to make her his and only his. When he does realize that no matter what Squirrel will still want the real Bramble, even if he's in his body, he got angry and berated her, struck her and dragged her before the clan before exiling her. He's angry and wants revenge on the clans. Heck after Bramble's lie with Hollyleaf even his own clanmates said good riddance to his death. I can see him trying to make everything burn to the ground that and he's probably got an accomplice. I don't think he cares about how much damage he causes as long as he gets what he wants. Revenge against Tigerstar's bloodline, turning the clans upside down, and Squirrelflight to himself. He's, in a way, like Mapleshade, a spirit who went from wanting revenge on cats that wronged her, to wanting to destroy the entire clan system and way of life.
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Heterosexual
Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Jan 26, 2020 8:49:41 GMT -5
He never forgave Bramble, and intentionally wanted to drag him down at one point. But his quarrel was with Squirrelflight, as long as she suffered he had no qualms ruining others to make that happen. Just like he probably would have no qualms destroying the clans just to make her his and only his. When he does realize that no matter what Squirrel will still want the real Bramble, even if he's in his body, he got angry and berated her, struck her and dragged her before the clan before exiling her. He's angry and wants revenge on the clans. Heck after Bramble's lie with Hollyleaf even his own clanmates said good riddance to his death. I can see him trying to make everything burn to the ground that and he's probably got an accomplice. I don't think he cares about how much damage he causes as long as he gets what he wants. Revenge against Tigerstar's bloodline, turning the clans upside down, and Squirrelflight to himself. He's, in a way, like Mapleshade, a spirit who went from wanting revenge on cats that wronged her, to wanting to destroy the entire clan system and way of life. Why destroy all the Clans? Why not just ThunderClan. And didn’t Ashfur even state in LS that he forgave Bramblestar moons ago? Was he lying?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 26, 2020 10:07:53 GMT -5
He never forgave Bramble, and intentionally wanted to drag him down at one point. But his quarrel was with Squirrelflight, as long as she suffered he had no qualms ruining others to make that happen. Just like he probably would have no qualms destroying the clans just to make her his and only his. When he does realize that no matter what Squirrel will still want the real Bramble, even if he's in his body, he got angry and berated her, struck her and dragged her before the clan before exiling her. He's angry and wants revenge on the clans. Heck after Bramble's lie with Hollyleaf even his own clanmates said good riddance to his death. I can see him trying to make everything burn to the ground that and he's probably got an accomplice. I don't think he cares about how much damage he causes as long as he gets what he wants. Revenge against Tigerstar's bloodline, turning the clans upside down, and Squirrelflight to himself. He's, in a way, like Mapleshade, a spirit who went from wanting revenge on cats that wronged her, to wanting to destroy the entire clan system and way of life. Why destroy all the Clans? Why not just ThunderClan. And didn’t Ashfur even state in LS that he forgave Bramblestar moons ago? Was he lying? No, what was said was that he never hated Brambleclaw, if you're referring to the scene in the fire. He says that and that he always blamed Squirrelflight for his pain and wanted revenge against her. But again, that doesn't change the fact that he's willing to drag other cats, and hurt other cats, just to hurt her. Whether he has a vendetta against Bramble or not still, doesn't change that he would be in the way of him getting Squirrelflight, they are mates after all. As for going after the other clans, I don't think he's working alone, I'm sure many don't, and honestly it's probably just a build up to certain events. It starts with fake Bramble being obsessed with Squirrelflight, he happens to be in the body of the current leader too, so he's in a position of power. He thinks he can do as he pleases, he uses his position as convenience to speak about rule breakers, an because rule breakers are in other clans, it can put him and those clans on bad terms. I mean he does accuse the deputy of WindClan, and the mate of the leader of ShadowClan, those are fighting words. He seems to be going on a controlling tirade, and Ashfur has been shown to be a controlling character. Like I said, it's like how Mapleshade's interest developed over time, from revenge against cats that did her wrong, to against the clans and the system as a whole.
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Post by FloraAndFauna on Jan 27, 2020 13:57:46 GMT -5
I don't believe the impostor is confirmed to be Ashfur, however? How would he alone be able to stop communication with Starclan? I think that this spirit is either a dark forest cat or just a ghost. Something Tree said in the 2nd book of TBC made me wonder if a spirit can decide not to go to Starclan OR the dark forest. Maybe the spirit of a deceased clan cat died and chose to wander as a ghost?
Or was the impostor actually confirmed to be Ashfur? I just finished the book so idk much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 14:14:54 GMT -5
I don't believe the impostor is confirmed to be Ashfur, however? How would he alone be able to stop communication with Starclan? I think that this spirit is either a dark forest cat or just a ghost. Something Tree said in the 2nd book of TBC made me wonder if a spirit can decide not to go to Starclan OR the dark forest. Maybe the spirit of a deceased clan cat died and chose to wander as a ghost? Or was the impostor actually confirmed to be Ashfur? I just finished the book so idk much. It hasn't been confirmed yet, just the majority of people seem to think it's him.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 27, 2020 22:32:23 GMT -5
His obsession with Squirrelflight was an easy give away and it would make less sense for it to be some random dead fanboy of hers.
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