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Post by embertuft on Jan 25, 2020 18:29:19 GMT -5
I don’t think they’d kill him off right in the beginning of the series, he’s a character with a main POV, although it would be a twist if he was actually dead. I hope he’s not though.
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Post by Spinestar on Jan 25, 2020 19:16:03 GMT -5
I don’t think they’d kill him off right in the beginning of the series, he’s a character with a main POV, although it would be a twist if he was actually dead. I hope he’s not though. He could have a POV as a ghost-figure like Bramblestar. Maybe he can secretly help him as they would both be ghosts
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Post by Fernshiine on Jan 25, 2020 19:43:19 GMT -5
I think him being dead would be a neat little plot twist. With the exception of Feathertail who had a POV in one or two chapters, no protagonist has just died in the middle of one of their arcs. It would be a neat thing to see, although I really do like Shadowsight.
Oh, yeah, I guess Flametail died after having a POV in a book, right? But he wasn't, like, the main character like Shadowsight was. Not in the same way.
Also if Shadowsight died maybe...maybe it could show him in StarClan? Maybe? OR MAYBE HE CAN'T GET TO STARCLAN AHA! Really I just love seeing things from the POV of a dead cat.
Also I think "Shadowsake" is a kinda funny nickname. I have a dark sense of humor and it's not like it's a slur. I kind of thought at first that it was a nod to the fact that he's anxious so as a person with anxiety I found it funny/cute and didn't mind at all. I think that sense of humor is an acquired taste but still.
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Post by Sand on Jan 26, 2020 1:43:27 GMT -5
Ok I...I get it, no more profanity. In my defense, I am pretty this is the first-ish post I have mentioned Shadow[you-know-what] on the forums. And the responses to stop came after the times I said that word, I didnt pursue this after being told off Writing “Shadowshake” multiple times instead of Shadowsight isn’t profanity. It’s an insensitive way to write a character’s name when you know it’s Shadowsight. It is also being disrespectful and it isn’t funny at all. Have some respect even though it’s a fictional character. You may think jokes about those who have seizures are funny, but if you were to educate yourself on what they really are like, I’m sure your opinion would be different. Please call the character by his book given name. I am not going to ask you again.
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Post by Fernshiine on Jan 27, 2020 14:08:44 GMT -5
Ok I...I get it, no more profanity. In my defense, I am pretty this is the first-ish post I have mentioned Shadow[you-know-what] on the forums. And the responses to stop came after the times I said that word, I didnt pursue this after being told off Writing “Shadowshake” multiple times instead of Shadowsight isn’t profanity. It’s an insensitive way to write a character’s name when you know it’s Shadowsight. It is also being disrespectful and it isn’t funny at all. Have some respect even though it’s a fictional character. You may think jokes about those who have seizures are funny, but if you were to educate yourself on what they really are like, I’m sure your opinion would be different. Please call the character by his book given name. I am not going to ask you again. As I said in the spoiler of my post I don't think you guys are being fair to Spine.
Spinestar said they wouldn't do it again and they seemed a bit unnerved that they were being pursued. They said they'd stop. They don't need to be reprimanded more...
Sorry. I'm an empath and I get uncomfortable when people are told off. Irl if someone gets scolded I get really sad. (Unless I think they deserved it.) Also, yes, I wouldn't mind it Shadowsight had a POV as a ghost. It would make decent sense and I would like that.
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Post by streamflower on Jan 27, 2020 16:27:56 GMT -5
Writing “Shadowshake” multiple times instead of Shadowsight isn’t profanity. It’s an insensitive way to write a character’s name when you know it’s Shadowsight. It is also being disrespectful and it isn’t funny at all. Have some respect even though it’s a fictional character. You may think jokes about those who have seizures are funny, but if you were to educate yourself on what they really are like, I’m sure your opinion would be different. Please call the character by his book given name. I am not going to ask you again. As I said in the spoiler of my post I don't think you guys are being fair to Spine.
Spinestar said they wouldn't do it again and they seemed a bit unnerved that they were being pursued. They said they'd stop. They don't need to be reprimanded more...
Sorry. I'm an empath and I get uncomfortable when people are told off. Irl if someone gets scolded I get really sad. (Unless I think they deserved it.) Also, yes, I wouldn't mind it Shadowsight had a POV as a ghost. It would make decent sense and I would like that.
It's not really your call as to whether or not someone is being "fair." They'd been asked multiple times to stop. Since they refused, the moderators stepped in and did their job. Furthermore, they acted in defense, saying that they were being attacked rather than admitting that their actions were harmful and hurtful to those who may suffer from seizure disorders. You might not think it's deserved, but others do, and rather a majority seem to. And if you are an empath as you claim, surely you can understand the pain someone feels when it seems as though a literal disorder they suffer from is being made fun of continuously? Can we just drop this subject now? The mods intervened because it became too much and there's really no point in arguing about this any longer. ------------ I would not want a Shadowsight ghost PoV, but I can understand how it could be interesting. Still, I don't think they'd kill him off. It's suspense is all. Plus Shadowclan kind of has had crappy luck with young medicine cats (Flametail) so I'd feel awful for them if they lost another.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 27, 2020 22:25:39 GMT -5
Its fine to have criticism, dislike and even make fun of characters now and then for their actions and roles in the series.
However it's clearly uncalled for if its to make fun of a character for their disability. It's insensitive. I could care less if Shadowsight dropped dead tbh, I don't care, but people need to be mindful about what they say about sensitive subjects. Calling him "Shadowshake" comes off as a form of ableism.
The mods gave their warning, and get the last say, that's the end of it. Just learn from your mistakes and move on.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Jan 28, 2020 11:20:10 GMT -5
As I said in the spoiler of my post I don't think you guys are being fair to Spine.
Spinestar said they wouldn't do it again and they seemed a bit unnerved that they were being pursued. They said they'd stop. They don't need to be reprimanded more...
Sorry. I'm an empath and I get uncomfortable when people are told off. Irl if someone gets scolded I get really sad. (Unless I think they deserved it.) Also, yes, I wouldn't mind it Shadowsight had a POV as a ghost. It would make decent sense and I would like that.
It's not really your call as to whether or not someone is being "fair." They'd been asked multiple times to stop. Since they refused, the moderators stepped in and did their job. Furthermore, they acted in defense, saying that they were being attacked rather than admitting that their actions were harmful and hurtful to those who may suffer from seizure disorders. You might not think it's deserved, but others do, and rather a majority seem to. And if you are an empath as you claim, surely you can understand the pain someone feels when it seems as though a literal disorder they suffer from is being made fun of continuously? Can we just drop this subject now? The mods intervened because it became too much and there's really no point in arguing about this any longer. ------------ I would not want a Shadowsight ghost PoV, but I can understand how it could be interesting. Still, I don't think they'd kill him off. It's suspense is all. Plus Shadowclan kind of has had crappy luck with young medicine cats (Flametail) so I'd feel awful for them if they lost another. Shadowsight has epilepsy? Finally, another character besides Jayfeather with a disability. I have a disability and I really like it when I can identify and relate with characters that have disabilities even if it is a completely different disability then mine because I know what it feels like to be different or to be pitied and looked down on. I am just waiting for there to be a character with ADHD. Also I would not mind if Shadowsight died because I think it could be a really interesting plot line. Maybe if he does not get to Starclan, he can attempt to possess Bramblestar, wage a literal internal war against the imposter and eventually kicking them out at the end of the third book.however, because everyone in the clans knows about the imposter and wouldn’t realize that Shadowsight is still in Bramblestar’s body, they would have already created a plan to defeat Bramblestar despite what Shadowsight did, causing Shadowsight to have to save Bramblestar’s body long enough for the real Bramblestar to re-enter his body in the sixth book.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jan 28, 2020 12:54:06 GMT -5
Shadowsight has epilepsy? Finally, another character besides Jayfeather with a disability. I have a disability and I really like it when I can identify and relate with characters that have disabilities even if it is a completely different disability then mine because I know what it feels like to be different or to be pitied and looked down on. I am just waiting for there to be a character with ADHD.Moth Flight has ADD which is very close.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 28, 2020 12:56:01 GMT -5
Shadowsight has epilepsy? Finally, another character besides Jayfeather with a disability. I have a disability and I really like it when I can identify and relate with characters that have disabilities even if it is a completely different disability then mine because I know what it feels like to be different or to be pitied and looked down on. I am just waiting for there to be a character with ADHD.Moth Flight has ADD which is very close. I thought it was ADHD?
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Post by Brindlefern on Jan 28, 2020 14:52:32 GMT -5
Moth Flight has ADD which is very close. I thought it was ADHD? Nope, just ADD.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 14:54:10 GMT -5
BrindlefernWhat about Flywhisker from AVOS?
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Post by Brindlefern on Jan 28, 2020 15:18:23 GMT -5
Idk about her at this point in the series to judge if her distracted nature stuck even now. I haven't even really started TBC but from what I see in the wikia she doesn't even do much there so I can't say if she has an ADD/ADHD vibe or not or if they just made her very distracted as an apprentice so that Twig can have someone to yell at.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 15:23:12 GMT -5
Idk about her at this point in the series to judge if her distracted nature stuck even now. I haven't even really started TBC but from what I see in the wikia she doesn't even do much there so I can't say if she has an ADD/ADHD vibe or not or if they just made her very distracted as an apprentice so that Twig can have someone to yell at. Thanks for answering That makes sense, I wasn't sure if she actually was confirmed to have ADD/ADHD, or not. I don't remember seeing her at all in TBC.
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Post by streamflower on Jan 28, 2020 19:02:59 GMT -5
It's not really your call as to whether or not someone is being "fair." They'd been asked multiple times to stop. Since they refused, the moderators stepped in and did their job. Furthermore, they acted in defense, saying that they were being attacked rather than admitting that their actions were harmful and hurtful to those who may suffer from seizure disorders. You might not think it's deserved, but others do, and rather a majority seem to. And if you are an empath as you claim, surely you can understand the pain someone feels when it seems as though a literal disorder they suffer from is being made fun of continuously? Can we just drop this subject now? The mods intervened because it became too much and there's really no point in arguing about this any longer. ------------ I would not want a Shadowsight ghost PoV, but I can understand how it could be interesting. Still, I don't think they'd kill him off. It's suspense is all. Plus Shadowclan kind of has had crappy luck with young medicine cats (Flametail) so I'd feel awful for them if they lost another. Shadowsight has epilepsy? Finally, another character besides Jayfeather with a disability. I have a disability and I really like it when I can identify and relate with characters that have disabilities even if it is a completely different disability then mine because I know what it feels like to be different or to be pitied and looked down on. I am just waiting for there to be a character with ADHD. Also I would not mind if Shadowsight died because I think it could be a really interesting plot line. Maybe if he does not get to Starclan, he can attempt to possess Bramblestar, wage a literal internal war against the imposter and eventually kicking them out at the end of the third book.however, because everyone in the clans knows about the imposter and wouldn’t realize that Shadowsight is still in Bramblestar’s body, they would have already created a plan to defeat Bramblestar despite what Shadowsight did, causing Shadowsight to have to save Bramblestar’s body long enough for the real Bramblestar to re-enter his body in the sixth book. I have ADHD myself. Moth Flight has ADD, which is similar but not the same. Still, I wouldn't want a character named after a symptom of their disability as that seems incredibly distasteful. My issue with "Shadowshake" is that it's making fun of the epilepsy, which has symptoms that include seizures and shaking. It'd be like calling Jayfeather "Jayblind" or "Jaycan'tsee." Remember when Berrynose was freaking out because he was afraid of being called "Berrystumpytail?" He didn't want to be defined by his disability, and thankfully he wasn't. It is okay and good to accept that you have a disability, but if others define you only by that disability it can be damaging. You can have representation of someone having a disability without making them only defined by that disability. And the only reason I'd be fine with Shadowsight dying is because of the whole "Well can he get into Starclan?" idea. Because if he can, we can see why Starclan is panicking; if he can't, well, it could be a bit boring as he'd just be bumbling around with Bramblestar's ghost.
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Post by Fernshiine on Jan 29, 2020 16:56:39 GMT -5
Shadowsight has epilepsy? Finally, another character besides Jayfeather with a disability. I have a disability and I really like it when I can identify and relate with characters that have disabilities even if it is a completely different disability then mine because I know what it feels like to be different or to be pitied and looked down on. I am just waiting for there to be a character with ADHD. Also I would not mind if Shadowsight died because I think it could be a really interesting plot line. Maybe if he does not get to Starclan, he can attempt to possess Bramblestar, wage a literal internal war against the imposter and eventually kicking them out at the end of the third book.however, because everyone in the clans knows about the imposter and wouldn’t realize that Shadowsight is still in Bramblestar’s body, they would have already created a plan to defeat Bramblestar despite what Shadowsight did, causing Shadowsight to have to save Bramblestar’s body long enough for the real Bramblestar to re-enter his body in the sixth book. I have ADHD myself. Moth Flight has ADD, which is similar but not the same. Still, I wouldn't want a character named after a symptom of their disability as that seems incredibly distasteful. My issue with "Shadowshake" is that it's making fun of the epilepsy, which has symptoms that include seizures and shaking. It'd be like calling Jayfeather "Jayblind" or "Jaycan'tsee." Remember when Berrynose was freaking out because he was afraid of being called "Berrystumpytail?" He didn't want to be defined by his disability, and thankfully he wasn't. It is okay and good to accept that you have a disability, but if others define you only by that disability it can be damaging. You can have representation of someone having a disability without making them only defined by that disability. And the only reason I'd be fine with Shadowsight dying is because of the whole "Well can he get into Starclan?" idea. Because if he can, we can see why Starclan is panicking; if he can't, well, it could be a bit boring as he'd just be bumbling around with Bramblestar's ghost. I have a disability myself: a crippling form of generalized anxiety. Most people in my school said my personality traits were just anxiety because I am a timid and anxious person. I guess people here define me by it and I haven't minded since...well, how can people not notice? I don't mind, I suppose. Not anymore.
Speaking of which Crookedkit ended up not minding in the end because he came to terms with it. I guess it's...whatever. I know I have more personality than just being shy, jumpy, and worried. Who cares what others think of me?
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Post by streamflower on Jan 29, 2020 21:11:40 GMT -5
I have ADHD myself. Moth Flight has ADD, which is similar but not the same. Still, I wouldn't want a character named after a symptom of their disability as that seems incredibly distasteful. My issue with "Shadowshake" is that it's making fun of the epilepsy, which has symptoms that include seizures and shaking. It'd be like calling Jayfeather "Jayblind" or "Jaycan'tsee." Remember when Berrynose was freaking out because he was afraid of being called "Berrystumpytail?" He didn't want to be defined by his disability, and thankfully he wasn't. It is okay and good to accept that you have a disability, but if others define you only by that disability it can be damaging. You can have representation of someone having a disability without making them only defined by that disability. And the only reason I'd be fine with Shadowsight dying is because of the whole "Well can he get into Starclan?" idea. Because if he can, we can see why Starclan is panicking; if he can't, well, it could be a bit boring as he'd just be bumbling around with Bramblestar's ghost. I have a disability myself: a crippling form of generalized anxiety. Most people in my school said my personality traits were just anxiety because I am a timid and anxious person. I guess people here define me by it and I haven't minded since...well, how can people not notice? I don't mind, I suppose. Not anymore.
Speaking of which Crookedkit ended up not minding in the end because he came to terms with it. I guess it's...whatever. I know I have more personality than just being shy, jumpy, and worried. Who cares what others think of me?
I never noticed you having anxiety? And I never noticed anyone here defining you by it either? I don’t think anyone here necessarily defines anyone by their disabilities, unless that is what the person wants. And yes, Crookedkit was cruelly renamed at the request of his abusive mother. If you remember, most cats believed that this renaming was cruel and unnecessary, but his literal abuser of a mother demanded it. While he was able to overcome it, I don’t necessarily think his story was planned out in the original books; in spite of that they turned it into a triumph, to their credit. Every time a cat has been named for their disability, there have been issues within the clan. Crookedkit, Deadpaw, Lostface—all of those names were met with outrage. Cats didn’t *like* that their clanmates were being named for disabilities they had, hence why names like “Shadowshake” would not be allowed. And it’s great that you specifically do not care what others think of you; if anything it speaks of growing confidence. The issue here lies in the fact that there are people on this forum with seizure disorders, and they did not appreciate feeling as though their disorders were being poked fun at. Just because something does not bother *you* does not mean it does not bother *others*, and we should be keen to take those feelings into consideration. Not everyone has the confidence to ignore what feels like a cruel and hurtful joke, and furthermore people shouldn’t be making those jokes in the first place. And, even if someone tells them that it’s just a joke and not meant to hurt, doesn’t mean that a person still can’t feel pain by it. ————— Getting back to Shadowsight, I’m wondering if it’s possible for him to actually be possessed? It’s possible leaders can only be possessed as they have multiple lives, but maybe a cats soul/spirit can just be pushed out of their body, so to speak? Could leave the door open for many more cats to become possessed. I really don’t think Ashfur is working alone here, and I’d be a little surprised if we didn’t see another possession.
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Post by finland on Jan 31, 2020 15:48:47 GMT -5
After the sample I'm losing hope. My poor child.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 15:43:35 GMT -5
After the sample I'm losing hope. My poor child. i recently saw some people say they killed him off to give squirrelflight a pov.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 15:50:11 GMT -5
After the sample I'm losing hope. My poor child. i recently saw some people say they killed him off to give squirrelflight a pov. If that's true, then I think they should have killed off Bristlefrost, since she's a ThunderClan cat, they're like taking away a ShadowClan POV and giving it to ThunderClan.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 2, 2020 8:12:51 GMT -5
i recently saw some people say they killed him off to give squirrelflight a pov. If that's true, then I think they should have killed off Bristlefrost, since she's a ThunderClan cat, they're like taking away a ShadowClan POV and giving it to ThunderClan. It would make no sense to do that since Bristlefrost doesn't have a strong connection with StarClan, and FakeBramble has no reason to silence her like he does Shadowsight. On top of that Squirrelflight is currently taking refuge in ShadowClan, she will be the ShadowClan POV technically, makes no sense for her and Shadowsight to be there at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 10:56:51 GMT -5
If that's true, then I think they should have killed off Bristlefrost, since she's a ThunderClan cat, they're like taking away a ShadowClan POV and giving it to ThunderClan. It would make no sense to do that since Bristlefrost doesn't have a strong connection with StarClan, and FakeBramble has no reason to silence her like he does Shadowsight. On top of that Squirrelflight is currently taking refuge in ShadowClan, she will be the ShadowClan POV technically, makes no sense for her and Shadowsight to be there at the same time. Oh yeah, I forgot that Squirrelflight had gone to ShadowClan.
I also didn't think about Shadowsight's connection with StarClan, and all of that
I don't want Bristlefrost to die btw, she's my second favorite POV character in this series, I just didn't want ShadowClan to lose their POV for another ThunderClan one, you know?
But since Squirrelflight is in ShadowClan, I'm not upset if the case where they killed off Shadowsight to give Squirrelflight a POV is true.
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Post by Fernshiine on Feb 3, 2020 10:18:42 GMT -5
I have a disability myself: a crippling form of generalized anxiety. Most people in my school said my personality traits were just anxiety because I am a timid and anxious person. I guess people here define me by it and I haven't minded since...well, how can people not notice? I don't mind, I suppose. Not anymore.
Speaking of which Crookedkit ended up not minding in the end because he came to terms with it. I guess it's...whatever. I know I have more personality than just being shy, jumpy, and worried. Who cares what others think of me?
I never noticed you having anxiety? And I never noticed anyone here defining you by it either? I don’t think anyone here necessarily defines anyone by their disabilities, unless that is what the person wants. And yes, Crookedkit was cruelly renamed at the request of his abusive mother. If you remember, most cats believed that this renaming was cruel and unnecessary, but his literal abuser of a mother demanded it. While he was able to overcome it, I don’t necessarily think his story was planned out in the original books; in spite of that they turned it into a triumph, to their credit. Every time a cat has been named for their disability, there have been issues within the clan. Crookedkit, Deadpaw, Lostface—all of those names were met with outrage. Cats didn’t *like* that their clanmates were being named for disabilities they had, hence why names like “Shadowshake” would not be allowed. And it’s great that you specifically do not care what others think of you; if anything it speaks of growing confidence. The issue here lies in the fact that there are people on this forum with seizure disorders, and they did not appreciate feeling as though their disorders were being poked fun at. Just because something does not bother *you* does not mean it does not bother *others*, and we should be keen to take those feelings into consideration. Not everyone has the confidence to ignore what feels like a cruel and hurtful joke, and furthermore people shouldn’t be making those jokes in the first place. And, even if someone tells them that it’s just a joke and not meant to hurt, doesn’t mean that a person still can’t feel pain by it. ————— Getting back to Shadowsight, I’m wondering if it’s possible for him to actually be possessed? It’s possible leaders can only be possessed as they have multiple lives, but maybe a cats soul/spirit can just be pushed out of their body, so to speak? Could leave the door open for many more cats to become possessed. I really don’t think Ashfur is working alone here, and I’d be a little surprised if we didn’t see another possession. By "here" I was referring to where I currently live. Lol.
And if Shadowsight died I still don't know entirely how I'd feel...It would be cool, I guess, to have a main character who's a protagonist die in a book series.
And I don't think it's Ashfur who's causing all these issues. It just wouldn't make sense after Squirrelflight's Hope. I was thinking maybe it being a cat like Sol who never liked the warrior code and would jump at the chance to use it against the Clans.
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 3, 2020 12:11:53 GMT -5
I never noticed you having anxiety? And I never noticed anyone here defining you by it either? I don’t think anyone here necessarily defines anyone by their disabilities, unless that is what the person wants. And yes, Crookedkit was cruelly renamed at the request of his abusive mother. If you remember, most cats believed that this renaming was cruel and unnecessary, but his literal abuser of a mother demanded it. While he was able to overcome it, I don’t necessarily think his story was planned out in the original books; in spite of that they turned it into a triumph, to their credit. Every time a cat has been named for their disability, there have been issues within the clan. Crookedkit, Deadpaw, Lostface—all of those names were met with outrage. Cats didn’t *like* that their clanmates were being named for disabilities they had, hence why names like “Shadowshake” would not be allowed. And it’s great that you specifically do not care what others think of you; if anything it speaks of growing confidence. The issue here lies in the fact that there are people on this forum with seizure disorders, and they did not appreciate feeling as though their disorders were being poked fun at. Just because something does not bother *you* does not mean it does not bother *others*, and we should be keen to take those feelings into consideration. Not everyone has the confidence to ignore what feels like a cruel and hurtful joke, and furthermore people shouldn’t be making those jokes in the first place. And, even if someone tells them that it’s just a joke and not meant to hurt, doesn’t mean that a person still can’t feel pain by it. ————— Getting back to Shadowsight, I’m wondering if it’s possible for him to actually be possessed? It’s possible leaders can only be possessed as they have multiple lives, but maybe a cats soul/spirit can just be pushed out of their body, so to speak? Could leave the door open for many more cats to become possessed. I really don’t think Ashfur is working alone here, and I’d be a little surprised if we didn’t see another possession. By "here" I was referring to where I currently live. Lol.
And if Shadowsight died I still don't know entirely how I'd feel...It would be cool, I guess, to have a main character who's a protagonist die in a book series.
And I don't think it's Ashfur who's causing all these issues. It just wouldn't make sense after Squirrelflight's Hope. I was thinking maybe it being a cat like Sol who never liked the warrior code and would jump at the chance to use it against the Clans.Gray Wing? And why wouldn’t it make sense? Ashfur could easily have been faking his reaction in Squirrelflight’s Hope. He has a talent for hiding things/being secretive. Squirrelflight’s time in StarClan must have obviously made a screw in Ashfur’s head loose.
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Post by Fernshiine on Feb 4, 2020 20:57:31 GMT -5
By "here" I was referring to where I currently live. Lol.
And if Shadowsight died I still don't know entirely how I'd feel...It would be cool, I guess, to have a main character who's a protagonist die in a book series.
And I don't think it's Ashfur who's causing all these issues. It just wouldn't make sense after Squirrelflight's Hope. I was thinking maybe it being a cat like Sol who never liked the warrior code and would jump at the chance to use it against the Clans. Gray Wing? And why wouldn’t it make sense? Ashfur could easily have been faking his reaction in Squirrelflight’s Hope. He has a talent for hiding things/being secretive. Squirrelflight’s time in StarClan must have obviously made a screw in Ashfur’s head loose. Had Ashfur not already been the obvious choice I would totally agree. But it was too obvious.
I think Ashfur was at peace in StarClan in all honesty. At first when he was there he was clearly bitter and made no attempt to hide it. I doubt he'd have hid it then too. I think this character would be one who has some sort of resentment for the warrior code at hand, or perhaps some kind of reason to obsess over it. Ashfur wouldn't have had that reason. The hint toward him is that he was in love with Bramblestar when he possessed his body and that he tried to kill Sparkpelt. Other than that, though, is there really anything specifically that points to him? He had no issues with the warrior code itself and he was shown to not have any major obsession over it or reason as to why he would use it against a cat. I can't say Ashfur was much of a character who hid things...I mean, yeah I suppose he didn't outwardly say how much his pain hurt but there were plenty of hints throughout the books that showed he, indeed, had a qualm with Squirrelflight and was in pain. Since his death the only hint he had bitterness was when he glared at Jayfeather when he was visiting him in StarClan. After the Great Battle I think he doesn't really have any reason to hate on any living cat. Hollyleaf would've been able to guess by now as I'm sure at first she kept an eye on him. StarClan cats are different than Dark Forest cats in the sense they let stuff go easier. I think it might be vital to being in StarClan.
I don't know...maybe it could be. But I would like to look at other less obvious options first. Maybe the imposter fell in love with Squirrelflight after possessing Bramblestar? I don't know.
I just want to point out one more thing: the voice was never exclusively mentioned as male. Or female, for that matter. It could be male. Could be female. Who says it isn't some female cat? It's something I've thought about yet I came to no conclusion on which cat it could be.
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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 4, 2020 22:07:34 GMT -5
Gray Wing? And why wouldn’t it make sense? Ashfur could easily have been faking his reaction in Squirrelflight’s Hope. He has a talent for hiding things/being secretive. Squirrelflight’s time in StarClan must have obviously made a screw in Ashfur’s head loose. Had Ashfur not already been the obvious choice I would totally agree. But it was too obvious.
I think Ashfur was at peace in StarClan in all honesty. At first when he was there he was clearly bitter and made no attempt to hide it. I doubt he'd have hid it then too. I think this character would be one who has some sort of resentment for the warrior code at hand, or perhaps some kind of reason to obsess over it. Ashfur wouldn't have had that reason. The hint toward him is that he was in love with Bramblestar when he possessed his body and that he tried to kill Sparkpelt. Other than that, though, is there really anything specifically that points to him? He had no issues with the warrior code itself and he was shown to not have any major obsession over it or reason as to why he would use it against a cat. I can't say Ashfur was much of a character who hid things...I mean, yeah I suppose he didn't outwardly say how much his pain hurt but there were plenty of hints throughout the books that showed he, indeed, had a qualm with Squirrelflight and was in pain. Since his death the only hint he had bitterness was when he glared at Jayfeather when he was visiting him in StarClan. After the Great Battle I think he doesn't really have any reason to hate on any living cat. Hollyleaf would've been able to guess by now as I'm sure at first she kept an eye on him. StarClan cats are different than Dark Forest cats in the sense they let stuff go easier. I think it might be vital to being in StarClan.
I don't know...maybe it could be. But I would like to look at other less obvious options first. Maybe the imposter fell in love with Squirrelflight after possessing Bramblestar? I don't know.
I just want to point out one more thing: the voice was never exclusively mentioned as male. Or female, for that matter. It could be male. Could be female. Who says it isn't some female cat? It's something I've thought about yet I came to no conclusion on which cat it could be.
Shadowpaw noted the voice is a tom in LS
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