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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 23:12:09 GMT -5
This applies to fanart only.
- When cats are drawn with long flowing emo hair. I don't mind little tufts on top of their head (I like to draw tufts on the sides of the face), but holy cow dial it back.
- When the song doesn't fit the character or Warriors in general.
- Cinderpelt's leg having claw marks.
- Human teeth.
- When the designs become so skewed it's hard to even recognize the cat being shown. I get that people stylize and all, but still. Someone who comes to mind as an example of this is Draikinator. The designs for their Mama MAP are just silly, and coupled with the song I could only watch like half of it. Squirrelflight and Hollyleaf confused me the most.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 23:18:16 GMT -5
I don't really like when Alderheart is drawn as a brown tabby
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Post by Card against Humanity on Jan 20, 2020 11:23:42 GMT -5
when artists make hawkfrost that weird brownish grey colour. he’s described in canon as a dark brown tabby smh
also when leaders are drawn with stars on their chest????
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Post by sylveon on Jan 20, 2020 11:40:51 GMT -5
i never liked brightheart's wound being depicted as this big empty socket, but maybe that would be accurate to real life? i would have thought some scarring and fur would eventually cover some of her injury, but i'm a bit too squeamish to try and research on her sorts of injuries. Her eye wouldn't be open, it would be closed permanently! Depending on the severity of her injuries I'm assuming she would probably be missing fur in places around her eye due to the fact that she was mauled and her eye wasn't surgically removed. I'm not an expert by any means, and I've thankfully have never seen a cat that wounded, but I've seen many animals missing an eye and they just look like the eye was never there to begin with!
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Post by Brindlefern on Jan 20, 2020 11:48:21 GMT -5
i never liked brightheart's wound being depicted as this big empty socket, but maybe that would be accurate to real life? i would have thought some scarring and fur would eventually cover some of her injury, but i'm a bit too squeamish to try and research on her sorts of injuries. Her eye wouldn't be open, it would be closed permanently! Depending on the severity of her injuries I'm assuming she would probably be missing fur in places around her eye due to the fact that she was mauled and her eye wasn't surgically removed. I'm not an expert by any means, and I've thankfully have never seen a cat that wounded, but I've seen many animals missing an eye and they just look like the eye was never there to begin with! I think Nmirah's depiction of Brightheart's wound (Warning for injury and wounds and blood and all ofc) would be the best in terms of how she looked after it heals and is the best depiction in terms of fanart imo. Heavily scarred upon its gain, but over time she grows her fur back over the majority and her eye socket closes up mostly but you can still tell she suffered major injury because the main factors of her injury sotospeak is still there without needing to overdo it. On that note, that goes into another fanart pet peeve of mine. The insistence that visibly disabled cats like Crookedstar and Cinderpelt and Brightheart gotta look busted up like hell and back to have the depiction of you drawing their injuries be "valid". Which annoys me tbh. Stuff like Cinderpelt's leg looking mangled and skinned of all it's fur beyond belief looks almost.... fetishistic even, compared to her leg being broken/twisted but still having its fur and you can still tell it's broken. Which another thing! She got hit by a car! Car wheels don't have massive razors to make her lose all her fur and FUR CAN GROW BACK so it's like.... even more wrong when I see her leg drawn so furless, it's not even how a broken leg from a cat/dog looks like irl, I've SEEN surviving pets with broken legs from cars and they look absolutely NOTHING like how the majority draws Cinderpelt's leg... Shoot man, I'm not good at drawing a broken jaw, but unlike the SE cover artist who skipped out because "It's hard to make look beautiful" (Which... wow okay...) I just want to depict Crookedjaw with some semblance of... well... a crooked jaw! It is a hard thing to draw right and even IRL cats with broken jaws look VERY minor compared to what those wanting him to look busted out the ass want while still being a believable realistic broken jaw. (I remember seeing photos that are actually pretty cute so it's not too sad but it's unfortunately not on my blog anymore to link x.x)
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 20, 2020 12:54:22 GMT -5
I also hate the emo hair thing. It's strange.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Jan 20, 2020 13:08:15 GMT -5
Yeah that is weird.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 13:15:59 GMT -5
when artists make hawkfrost that weird brownish grey colour. he’s described in canon as a dark brown tabby smh also when leaders are drawn with stars on their chest???? Eh, grey-brown Hawkfrost doesn't bother me. Leader stars depend on the art style. If it's a realistic piece, yea, it would look weird, but if its more of a cartoony style it can look very nice and mesh well.
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Post by VIXENCLAW on Jan 20, 2020 13:43:58 GMT -5
Eh, I’m fine with just about anything. I actually really like seeing how different artist depict certain characters.I loved seeing all the different designs in the Mama MAP, I thought they looked pretty cool.
That being said, I’m not the biggest fan of Squirrelflight always having white freckles. I don’t really even know why, sometimes I’ll be fine with it and other times I’ll be bothered by it.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Jan 20, 2020 13:56:02 GMT -5
also seconding what Brindlefern said about artists who go completely ott with canon injuries. in cats of the clans brightheart's depicted as just having a bald patch around her wounded eye, but a lot of artists make her look like Kitty Zuko
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Post by sylveon on Jan 20, 2020 14:11:29 GMT -5
Eh, I’m fine with just about anything. I actually really like seeing how different artist depict certain characters.I loved seeing all the different designs in the Mama MAP, I thought they looked pretty cool. That being said, I’m not the biggest fan of Squirrelflight always having white freckles. I don’t really even know why, sometimes I’ll be fine with it and other times I’ll be bothered by it. I feel the same, I can't really think of anything off the top of my head that really bothers me. I like seeing all the different styles, but it is jarring when a MAP has no set design so one cat looks realistic and then the same cat suddenly has a fringe. The mama map designs were also fine with me, I thought the whole point was that it was a call back to all the edgy designs that were popular in the early 2010's. I do dislike the big stars on chests though, i like the cliche tiny stars on foreheads, but usually when they're colored realistically and blend in to the cat's natural markings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 22:12:57 GMT -5
bump
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Post by vectoring34 on Jan 23, 2020 23:27:17 GMT -5
Getting kills wrong. I know, artistic freedom and all, but a lot of them have never gotten a canonical depiction. The most infamous one is Scourge killing Firestar. The fandom has this really bizarre idea that Scourge cut out his throat, but it's abundantly clear from the text that it was a 12 to 6 strike that struck his skull. It'd be nice to see a skull smasher every now and then. Another part that is often ignored is that Firestar killed Scourge by using rope-a-dope tactics to lull him into a reckless attack and then taking advantage of that split second of him losing his guard. If one goes by fanart, you'd just think he power blitzed Scourge the moment he came back to life.
On the note of another violence related issue, cutting with the backs of the claws. It just makes no sense. A backhand strike with the claws wouldn't do a thing besides leave a bruise, the cutting edge is on the inside. It's akin to fanart about a sword fight having someone get their arm cut off by being whacked with the handle.
On a less violent note, this is a weird example of something that was actually originally more correct but then later overcorrected. There's a post on Tumblr circulating about how badgers aren't actually bigger than cats based off of a(no offense to the creator)horribly inaccurate size chart, and so fanart of the two should not have the badgers being much larger. No, this is just incorrect, a very thin badger after hibernation is thrice the size of a cat, one that's fattened up can be upwards of six times the size. Badgers are much larger than feral cats and should be shown as such.
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Post by halogen on Jan 23, 2020 23:32:51 GMT -5
I agree with the Cinderpelt thing. Cinderpelt designs and animations always seem like "I'm Cinderpelt, I'm the cat with the broken leg, it's really dramatic and obvious, I have no character and story besides being the cat with the broken leg". No one ever includes how she learns to be a better medicine cat, her guilt over Silverstream's death, or her defying her Clan so she cansave Littlecloud and Whitethroat from a plague that no other medicine cat was capable of curing. No, she's always just "that cat with the broken leg". (At least her current portrayal is a step up from the early fandom, where she was just "the cat who has a crush on Firestar").
Lionheart and Lionblaze having a literal mane and looking exactly like lions as opposed to just some somewhat manelike neck fluff but still clearly being cats.
Also, while we're at getting kills wrong, what about Hollyleaf's death? Every animation seems to portray Hawkfrost as easily overpowering Hollyleaf and then leaving Ivypool alone for no apparent reason, instead of actually getting successfully driven off by Hollyleaf but mortally wounding her in the process.
Cats crying actual tears.
Songs that seem chosen just because they are popular songs or the map creator liked them even if they don't relate to the character or concept at all. Especially if there is another character who it would fit, but that character isn't as popular of a choice for MAPs.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jan 24, 2020 0:06:38 GMT -5
I agree with the Cinderpelt thing. Cinderpelt designs and animations always seem like "I'm Cinderpelt, I'm the cat with the broken leg, it's really dramatic and obvious, I have no character and story besides being the cat with the broken leg". No one ever includes how she learns to be a better medicine cat, her guilt over Silverstream's death, or her defying her Clan so she cansave Littlecloud and Whitethroat from a plague that no other medicine cat was capable of curing. No, she's always just "that cat with the broken leg". (At least her current portrayal is a step up from the early fandom, where she was just "the cat who has a crush on Firestar"). Lionheart and Lionblaze having a literal mane and looking exactly like lions as opposed to just some somewhat manelike neck fluff but still clearly being cats. Also, while we're at getting kills wrong, what about Hollyleaf's death? Every animation seems to portray Hawkfrost as easily overpowering Hollyleaf and then leaving Ivypool alone for no apparent reason, instead of actually getting successfully driven off by Hollyleaf but mortally wounding her in the process. Cats crying actual tears. Songs that seem chosen just because they are popular songs or the map creator liked them even if they don't relate to the character or concept at all. Especially if there is another character who it would fit, but that character isn't as popular of a choice for MAPs. Hollyleaf's death is also a big one, you're right. There's barely any fanart showing their battle which is a real shame since fanart would be a great way to explore it since it happened mostly off-screen. She gave as good as she got, she didn't just die like a lamb for slaughter.
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maggotpaw
named my son maggotkit because i hate him
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Post by maggotpaw on Jan 24, 2020 2:10:57 GMT -5
Complete redesigns. If a character is said to be a grey tabby with amber eyes, draw them as a grey tabby with amber eyes and get creative from within those very open constraints (interesting markings, face shape, etc). Just seems lazy to turn them into a tortie with green eyes.
"More genetically accurate" is bad reasoning because cat genetics do not exist in Warriors.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jan 24, 2020 8:17:53 GMT -5
Complete redesigns. If a character is said to be a grey tabby with amber eyes, draw them as a grey tabby with amber eyes and get creative from within those very open constraints (interesting markings, face shape, etc). Just seems lazy to turn them into a tortie with green eyes. "More genetically accurate" is bad reasoning because cat genetics do not exist in Warriors. As someone who studies genetics, I like to make the cats more genetically accurate, which is perfectly valid reasoning in real life. However, I do not think that the authors need to make them more genetically accurate in canon. It would be unreasonable to expect the authors/editors to learn cat genetics and implement that knowledge every time they added new characters. Undoubtedly, they’d mess up a few times, and it still wouldn’t be perfect. I simply like to mess around with making them more genetically accurate simply for personal entertainment and practice with cat genetics.
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Post by icefurs on Jan 24, 2020 9:46:46 GMT -5
Cinderpelt's leg BOTHERS THE EVERLOVING HELL OUT OF ME. I saw a cat in real life that was also struck by a car, lived, and had her back leg injured. She walks with a limp but is perfectly capable. Here is my interpretation of it from a while ago.
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Jan 24, 2020 10:25:23 GMT -5
Complete redesigns. If a character is said to be a grey tabby with amber eyes, draw them as a grey tabby with amber eyes and get creative from within those very open constraints (interesting markings, face shape, etc). Just seems lazy to turn them into a tortie with green eyes. "More genetically accurate" is bad reasoning because cat genetics do not exist in Warriors. This annoys me with a brown and white Brightheart! Like I never saw the point of it.
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