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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 17:52:48 GMT -5
Everyone on this site probably knows how I feel about this guy, but I do have to respect him for not buckling under the pressure of his clanmates.
When he first got announced as leader, he had a lot of doubts, a full on war happened, because A LOT of cats in his clan didn't want him to be leader.
However, he didn't give up or buckle under the pressure, or hand his clan over to another clan, or anything like that.
He's still a terrible cat, and Mudclaw would have done a MUCH better job I think
Mudclaw might have been a teensy bit aggressive, but at least he was straight with the other cats, what you see is what you get.
With Onestar...he was a wildcard.
I mean, while he was sweet and innocent Onewhisker, he had a whole other illegal family which he abandoned, so who really knows what is the real Onewhisker/Onestar.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 17:57:34 GMT -5
I feel like there’s been a LOT of convo about this, so it’s good Chicken made a thread about it.
Mudclaw may have brought WindClan into a war a few or a lot of times, but I would have rather had that than poor little Onewhisker getting ruined.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 18:04:23 GMT -5
I feel like there’s been a LOT of convo about this, so it’s good Chicken made a thread about it. Mudclaw may have brought WindClan into a war a few or a lot of times, but I would have rather had that than poor little Onewhisker getting ruined. I honestly don't think Mudclaw would have had any beef with anyone, unless they had beef with him first. Everytime he was pissed off, he had a good reason to be, like not letting Bluestar and Fireheart go to High Stones, they had Brokenstar in their clan, and at the gathering, all the ruckus that was going on, made it sound like they were protecting him. Brokenstar drove WindClan out of their home and more than likely killed A LOT of Mudclaw's clan members, since there was said to be blood everywhere, one of those clan members could have possibly been Ryestalk, his mother. He might have also had a mate and kits that got killed, who knows? As for the Mudclaw x Onewhisker thing. He had no way of knowing if Onewhisker, Firestar, and Brambleclaw were telling the truth, he wasn't there. For all he knew, those three could have been lying and disrespecting him and Tallstar. I don't think I've ever seen him be the instigator
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 18:07:47 GMT -5
I feel like there’s been a LOT of convo about this, so it’s good Chicken made a thread about it. Mudclaw may have brought WindClan into a war a few or a lot of times, but I would have rather had that than poor little Onewhisker getting ruined. I honestly don't think Mudclaw would have had any beef with anyone, unless they had beef with him first. Everytime he was pissed off, he had a good reason to be, like not letting Bluestar and Fireheart go to High Stones, they had Brokenstar in their clan, and at the gathering, all the ruckus that was going on, made it sound like they were protecting him. Brokenstar drove WindClan out of their home and more than likely killed A LOT of Mudclaw's clan members, since there was said to be blood everywhere, one of those clan members could have possibly been Ryestalk, his mother. He might have also had a mate and kits that got killed, who knows? As for the Mudclaw x Onewhisker thing. He had no way of knowing if Onewhisker, Firestar, and Brambleclaw were telling the truth, he wasn't there. For all he knew, those three could have been lying and disrespecting him and Tallstar. I don't think I've ever seen him be the instigator Yea, but for the one Blue/ Fire going to High Stones, that was stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 18:11:26 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Mudclaw would have had any beef with anyone, unless they had beef with him first. Everytime he was pissed off, he had a good reason to be, like not letting Bluestar and Fireheart go to High Stones, they had Brokenstar in their clan, and at the gathering, all the ruckus that was going on, made it sound like they were protecting him. Brokenstar drove WindClan out of their home and more than likely killed A LOT of Mudclaw's clan members, since there was said to be blood everywhere, one of those clan members could have possibly been Ryestalk, his mother. He might have also had a mate and kits that got killed, who knows? As for the Mudclaw x Onewhisker thing. He had no way of knowing if Onewhisker, Firestar, and Brambleclaw were telling the truth, he wasn't there. For all he knew, those three could have been lying and disrespecting him and Tallstar. I don't think I've ever seen him be the instigator Yea, but for the one Blue/ Fire going to High Stones, that was stupid. It wasn't the best thing, but I don't blame him. It wasn't just him there either, Tornear and Webpaw were there too
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 18:11:40 GMT -5
Isn’t it like against the warrior code to do that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 18:12:35 GMT -5
Yea, but for the one Blue/ Fire going to High Stones, that was stupid. It wasn't the best thing, but I don't blame him. It wasn't just him there either, Tornear and Webpaw were there too Yea, but what was Webpaw and Tornear gonna do? They would go against their deputy if they weren’t like that, soooooooo...?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 18:14:17 GMT -5
It wasn't the best thing, but I don't blame him. It wasn't just him there either, Tornear and Webpaw were there too Yea, but what was Webpaw and Tornear gonna do? They would go against their deputy if they weren’t like that, soooooooo...? Mudclaw wasn't deputy then, Deadfoot was still alive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 19:28:06 GMT -5
Yea, but what was Webpaw and Tornear gonna do? They would go against their deputy if they weren’t like that, soooooooo...? Mudclaw wasn't deputy then, Deadfoot was still alive. He was? Edit; He was.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 19:52:21 GMT -5
Mudclaw wasn't deputy then, Deadfoot was still alive. He was? Edit; He was. Yeah, the High Stones incident happened in Rising Storm, which is in the first series, Deadfoot either died during the BloodClan battle, which was at the end of the first series, or after, because according to the Ravenpaw manga, he was still alive when Crowfeather was a kitten
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 21:33:56 GMT -5
Yeah, the High Stones incident happened in Rising Storm, which is in the first series, Deadfoot either died during the BloodClan battle, which was at the end of the first series, or after, because according to the Ravenpaw manga, he was still alive when Crowfeather was a kitten Ok; so they would go against Mudclaw? Like, I get if Webpaw wants to attack and they say no, but Mudclaw? He seemed kinda bossy then, and not too many cats wanna mess with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 21:44:29 GMT -5
Yeah, the High Stones incident happened in Rising Storm, which is in the first series, Deadfoot either died during the BloodClan battle, which was at the end of the first series, or after, because according to the Ravenpaw manga, he was still alive when Crowfeather was a kitten Ok; so they would go against Mudclaw? Like, I get if Webpaw wants to attack and they say no, but Mudclaw? He seemed kinda bossy then, and not too many cats wanna mess with him. Webpaw, who grows up to be Webfoot probably isn't to be messed with either, he's the one who suggests to Mudclaw that he should stand up for his right to leadership during the Onewhisker x Mudclaw feud. Tornear is his littermate, so I doubt he was afraid of messing with Mudclaw.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 21:45:54 GMT -5
Ok; so they would go against Mudclaw? Like, I get if Webpaw wants to attack and they say no, but Mudclaw? He seemed kinda bossy then, and not too many cats wanna mess with him. Webpaw, who grows up to be Webfoot probably isn't to be messed with either, he's the one who suggests to Mudclaw that he should stand up for his right to leadership during the Onewhisker x Mudclaw feud. Tornear is his littermate, so I don't he was afraid of messing with Mudclaw. Yea, but Web was an apprentice, and Torn could easily be beaten by Mud, so I think Mud was pretty much in charge there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 22:00:47 GMT -5
Webpaw, who grows up to be Webfoot probably isn't to be messed with either, he's the one who suggests to Mudclaw that he should stand up for his right to leadership during the Onewhisker x Mudclaw feud. Tornear is his littermate, so I don't he was afraid of messing with Mudclaw. Yea, but Web was an apprentice, and Torn could easily be beaten by Mud, so I think Mud was pretty much in charge there. Webfoot was Mudclaw's apprentice, so yeah, I could see why he would have wanted to follow Mudclaw's lead. I highly doubt that Mudclaw would touch a hair on Tornear's pelt, he's pretty much the only family he has left, other than Barkface, and judging by the fact that when he was deputy, he put Tornear in pretty much all the patrols with him, and the fact that Tornear sided with him, they seem to be very close siblings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 14:02:55 GMT -5
Yea, but Web was an apprentice, and Torn could easily be beaten by Mud, so I think Mud was pretty much in charge there. Webfoot was Mudclaw's apprentice, so yeah, I could see why he would have wanted to follow Mudclaw's lead. I highly doubt that Mudclaw would touch a hair on Tornear's pelt, he's pretty much the only family he has left, other than Barkface, and judging by the fact that when he was deputy, he put Tornear in pretty much all the patrols with him, and the fact that Tornear sided with him, they seem to be very close siblings. Well, since Torn was Mud’s brother, he would prob respect him and do what Mud wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 14:06:41 GMT -5
Webfoot was Mudclaw's apprentice, so yeah, I could see why he would have wanted to follow Mudclaw's lead. I highly doubt that Mudclaw would touch a hair on Tornear's pelt, he's pretty much the only family he has left, other than Barkface, and judging by the fact that when he was deputy, he put Tornear in pretty much all the patrols with him, and the fact that Tornear sided with him, they seem to be very close siblings. Well, since Torn was Mud’s brother, he would prob respect him and do what Mud wanted. Yeah, but he also had the capabilities of thinking for himself. It's his home too that Brokenstar drove him from, and his clanmates/family that he killed, so he was probably just as pissed off as Mudclaw.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 14:10:46 GMT -5
Well, since Torn was Mud’s brother, he would prob respect him and do what Mud wanted. Yeah, but he also had the capabilities of thinking for himself. It's his home too that Brokenstar drove him from, and his clanmates/family that he killed, so he was probably just as pissed off as Mudclaw. Yea
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 14:12:02 GMT -5
Yeah, but he also had the capabilities of thinking for himself. It's his home too that Brokenstar drove him from, and his clanmates/family that he killed, so he was probably just as pissed off as Mudclaw. Yea I mean, judging from the fact that Tornear has had more apprentices out of any WindClan cat that we know of, he's got a pretty good standing. Even if one of his apprentices was Owlwhisker
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 22, 2020 1:13:02 GMT -5
I never really found him likable. As a warrior he was kinda cowardly, and as a leader he made horrible decisions, and as a mate and father, he was just downright horrible. I think in older age, he was just....god awful. And I didn't like that he dragged down WindClan's reputation with him. I find WindClan much more tolerable now under Harestar, at least more than ShadowClan. However, I would have preferred the Erins keep him a coward than what he turned into in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 7:43:26 GMT -5
I never really found him likable. As a warrior he was kinda cowardly, and as a leader he made horrible decisions, and as a mate and father, he was just downright horrible. I think in older age, he was just....god awful. And I didn't like that he dragged down WindClan's reputation with him. I find WindClan much more tolerable now under Harestar, at least more than ShadowClan. However, I would have preferred the Erins keep him a coward than what he turned into in the end. That's so true, pretty much everyone sucked in WindClan except for a few cats
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