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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 19:45:01 GMT -5
Didn't he cheat to get that position?
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Post by lollycat on Jan 4, 2020 20:22:57 GMT -5
He did cheat some what because Nightpelt became leader after BrokenStar was driven out and he was an elder and he never received his 9 lives. He died and ShadowClan need a strange leader and Tigerclaw was able to fill the leadership role. BlackFoot who was deputy during BrokenStar leadership was driven out at the same time as BrokenStar. That is why Nightpelt became leader. That is how Tigerclaw became leader with BlackFoot as his deputy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 22:36:26 GMT -5
He did cheat some what because Nightpelt became leader after BrokenStar was driven out and he was an elder and he never received his 9 lives. He died and ShadowClan need a strange leader and Tigerclaw was able to fill the leadership role. BlackFoot who was deputy during BrokenStar leadership was driven out at the same time as BrokenStar. That is why Nightpelt became leader. That is how Tigerclaw became leader with BlackFoot as his deputy. I thought there was some thing where Jaggedtooth ripped out a claw, and used it to fake an omen, so Runningnose would pick Tigerclaw as the next leader.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jan 4, 2020 22:55:44 GMT -5
I don't think he cheated so much as took the opportunity when he saw it. According to Clan tradition, when both the leader and deputy have been killed, the Clan chooses their new leader. Blackfoot had been driven out, so he's a moot point for now. Brokenstar had been driven out but not killed, and still had multiple lives left, so was seen in the eyes of StarClan as still being leader. When the Clan chose Nightpelt, StarClan sympathized, but wasn't able to do anything because Brokenstar still had lives left. By the time Nightpelt died, Brokenstar had lost all of his lives, so StarClan was able to appoint a new leader. ShadowClan chose Tigerclaw. There's nothing in the warrior code saying a cat has to be born in that Clan to become leader, otherwise we wouldn't have Firestar. ShadowClan sent Tigerclaw off to the Moonstone and StarClan honored ShadowClan's decision. All perfectly legal and no cheating about it, at least from solely the succession angle. That's how I see it at least. Some of my information could be inaccurate because it's been like 7 years since I last read Rising Storm and A Dangerous Path. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/6575102/images/iVhKxJ4UsBP0VgImbuAI.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 23:20:46 GMT -5
I don't think he cheated so much as took the opportunity when he saw it. According to Clan tradition, when both the leader and deputy have been killed, the Clan chooses their new leader. Blackfoot had been driven out, so he's a moot point for now. Brokenstar had been driven out but not killed, and still had multiple lives left, so was seen in the eyes of StarClan as still being leader. When the Clan chose Nightpelt, StarClan sympathized, but wasn't able to do anything because Brokenstar still had lives left. By the time Nightpelt died, Brokenstar had lost all of his lives, so StarClan was able to appoint a new leader. ShadowClan chose Tigerclaw. There's nothing in the warrior code saying a cat has to be born in that Clan to become leader, otherwise we wouldn't have Firestar. ShadowClan sent Tigerclaw off to the Moonstone and StarClan honored ShadowClan's decision. All perfectly legal and no cheating about it, at least from solely the succession angle. That's how I see it at least. Some of my information could be inaccurate because it's been like 7 years since I last read Rising Storm and A Dangerous Path. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/6575102/images/iVhKxJ4UsBP0VgImbuAI.gif) Oh, I meant he cheated as in he faked an omen to become leader
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Post by Lightflame on Jan 4, 2020 23:31:58 GMT -5
It's to show that cheaters always prosper, which is a lesson we must learn in this soul-crushing reality.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jan 4, 2020 23:55:37 GMT -5
I don't think he cheated so much as took the opportunity when he saw it. According to Clan tradition, when both the leader and deputy have been killed, the Clan chooses their new leader. Blackfoot had been driven out, so he's a moot point for now. Brokenstar had been driven out but not killed, and still had multiple lives left, so was seen in the eyes of StarClan as still being leader. When the Clan chose Nightpelt, StarClan sympathized, but wasn't able to do anything because Brokenstar still had lives left. By the time Nightpelt died, Brokenstar had lost all of his lives, so StarClan was able to appoint a new leader. ShadowClan chose Tigerclaw. There's nothing in the warrior code saying a cat has to be born in that Clan to become leader, otherwise we wouldn't have Firestar. ShadowClan sent Tigerclaw off to the Moonstone and StarClan honored ShadowClan's decision. All perfectly legal and no cheating about it, at least from solely the succession angle. That's how I see it at least. Some of my information could be inaccurate because it's been like 7 years since I last read Rising Storm and A Dangerous Path. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/6575102/images/iVhKxJ4UsBP0VgImbuAI.gif) Oh, I meant he cheated as in he faked an omen to become leader I don't know anything about that. Though I do know the other two faked omens in this series both had StarClan backing even though they were planted by a living cat, so... no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 9:17:43 GMT -5
LightflameThat's true! This one time, in school, this girl plagiarized her paper for an essay contest and won! Skypaw13Are you talking about the Sol thing and the Mothwing thing? I can understand why the Sol one was backed
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Jan 5, 2020 12:59:00 GMT -5
I always saw it as more of him seizing the opportunity whilst SC was at a very vulnerable position at the time. Tigerclaws Fury was basically about his rise to power, and he used similar methods to Sol, persuasion and manipulation, and to the remaining SC cats, Tigerstar seemed like their prayers had been answered, he was big,strong and seemingly powerful. I’m pretty sure they didn’t know about his previous actions too. It was inevitable tbh, he probably would’ve taken over by force if they hadn’t eventually given in. Also in response to ChickenfriedChicken I think It was Blackfoot who faked the omen by ripping out his claw, but I haven’t read TF in ages so I can’t be sure
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jan 7, 2020 18:11:07 GMT -5
Well, chicken, apparently you're right. A new article just came out on the Warriors site about faked omens, and it mentions Tigerclaw becoming leader because of a faked sign.
Having not read Tigerclaw's Fury, I was completely unaware of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 8:26:41 GMT -5
Well, chicken, apparently you're right. A new article just came out on the Warriors site about faked omens, and it mentions Tigerclaw becoming leader because of a faked sign. Having not read Tigerclaw's Fury, I was completely unaware of this. That's kind of ironic that this post, and the omen article came out close to the same time XD
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 8:59:47 GMT -5
Well, the leader and deputy died, so ShadowClan was kinda hopeless. But, when strong Tigerclaw came along, they really just wanted a leader so they took him and the other rogues. My question is; why didn’t Nightstar choose a new deputy before moon high? Cuz I think his deputy died before him...?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 9:06:54 GMT -5
Well, the leader and deputy died, so ShadowClan was kinda hopeless. But, when strong Tigerclaw came along, they really just wanted a leader so they took him and the other rogues. My question is; why didn’t Nightstar choose a new deputy before moon high? Cuz I think his deputy died before him...? Maybe he was too sick to I'm mostly curious about, why did StarClan allow it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 9:08:59 GMT -5
Well, the leader and deputy died, so ShadowClan was kinda hopeless. But, when strong Tigerclaw came along, they really just wanted a leader so they took him and the other rogues. My question is; why didn’t Nightstar choose a new deputy before moon high? Cuz I think his deputy died before him...? Maybe he was too sick to I'm mostly curious about, why did StarClan allow it? So that ShadowClan could be in good shape. If u remember, Blackstar was a good leader.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 9:25:04 GMT -5
Maybe he was too sick to I'm mostly curious about, why did StarClan allow it? So that ShadowClan could be in good shape. If u remember, Blackstar was a good leader. Yeah, that's true
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 9:25:40 GMT -5
So that ShadowClan could be in good shape. If u remember, Blackstar was a good leader. Yeah, that's true And without Tigerstar...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:20:55 GMT -5
Without Tigerstar, Gorsepaw, Stonefur, and probably more would still be alive
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 11:10:00 GMT -5
Without Tigerstar, Gorsepaw, Stonefur, and probably more would still be alive Yeah, buuuuuuut, ShadowClan would probably all be dead without Tigerclaw building them up and then pretty much giving them another leader.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 13:41:14 GMT -5
Without Tigerstar, Gorsepaw, Stonefur, and probably more would still be alive Yeah, buuuuuuut, ShadowClan would probably all be dead without Tigerclaw building them up and then pretty much giving them another leader. I doubt it, I'm sure they would have found a way to survive, and I'm sure that if they resorted to asking another clan for help, Firestar wouldn't refuse to help them
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 14:20:27 GMT -5
Yeah, buuuuuuut, ShadowClan would probably all be dead without Tigerclaw building them up and then pretty much giving them another leader. I doubt it, I'm sure they would have found a way to survive, and I'm sure that if they resorted to asking another clan for help, Firestar wouldn't refuse to help them Yea, but I think Tigerclaw helped them in a way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 14:44:07 GMT -5
I doubt it, I'm sure they would have found a way to survive, and I'm sure that if they resorted to asking another clan for help, Firestar wouldn't refuse to help them Yea, but I think Tigerclaw helped them in a way. Yeah, but because of him and that incompetent Leopardstar, RiverClan didn't fare very well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 14:45:38 GMT -5
Yea, but I think Tigerclaw helped them in a way. Yeah, but because of him and that incompetent Leopardstar, RiverClan didn't fare very well. Yea, I always wondered if Leopardstar and Tigerstar were both evil, or they just were both mad at Thunder and Wind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 14:48:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but because of him and that incompetent Leopardstar, RiverClan didn't fare very well. Yea, I always wondered if Leopardstar and Tigerstar were both evil, or they just were both mad at Thunder and Wind. I read somewhere that Leopardstar was in love with Tigerstar, but if that was the case, then that is the dumbest reason ever to completely hand her clan over to him. I also heard that she was afraid, but RiverClan are buff, well-fed cats, on their own turf, against sick and scrawny ShadowClan cats who are still trying to get their crap together. I think in a fight against RiverClan and ShadowClan, RiverClan could TOTALLY take them on, even WINDCLAN beat ShadowClan at one point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 14:49:35 GMT -5
Yea, I always wondered if Leopardstar and Tigerstar were both evil, or they just were both mad at Thunder and Wind. I read somewhere that Leopardstar was in love with Tigerstar, but if that was the case, then that is the dumbest reason ever to completely hand her clan over to him. I also heard that she was afraid, but RiverClan are buff, well-fed cats, on their own turf, against sick and scrawny ShadowClan cats who are still trying to get their crap together. I think in a fight against RiverClan and ShadowClan, RiverClan could TOTALLY take them on, even WINDCLAN beat ShadowClan at one point. I could see Tigerstar loving Leopardstar, but not the other way around. Dunno why
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 14:51:22 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Leopardstar was in love with Tigerstar, but if that was the case, then that is the dumbest reason ever to completely hand her clan over to him. I also heard that she was afraid, but RiverClan are buff, well-fed cats, on their own turf, against sick and scrawny ShadowClan cats who are still trying to get their crap together. I think in a fight against RiverClan and ShadowClan, RiverClan could TOTALLY take them on, even WINDCLAN beat ShadowClan at one point. I could see Tigerstar loving Leopardstar, but not the other way around. Dunno why I can maybe see him feeling kind of a close bond with her since she shares the same prefix as his mother, but that's it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 14:52:39 GMT -5
I could see Tigerstar loving Leopardstar, but not the other way around. Dunno why I can maybe see him feeling kind of a close bond with her since she shares the same prefix as his mother, but that's it I think if Tigerstar wasn’t evil and was in RiverClan, those two could make a cute couple. 💜
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 14:55:04 GMT -5
I can maybe see him feeling kind of a close bond with her since she shares the same prefix as his mother, but that's it I think if Tigerstar wasn’t evil and was in RiverClan, those two could make a cute couple. 💜 True Can you imagine how awful their kits would be though? lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 14:57:06 GMT -5
I think if Tigerstar wasn’t evil and was in RiverClan, those two could make a cute couple. 💜 True Can you imagine how awful their kits would be though? lol No kidding. Tigerstar’s evil and Leopardstar’s kinda evil.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 15:00:19 GMT -5
True Can you imagine how awful their kits would be though? lol No kidding. Tigerstar’s evil and Leopardstar’s kinda evil. Yeah, at least she apologized to Mistystar in Mistystar's Omen, but I would NOT have forgiven her if I was Mistystar
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 15:02:12 GMT -5
No kidding. Tigerstar’s evil and Leopardstar’s kinda evil. Yeah, at least she apologized to Mistystar in Mistystar's Omen, but I would NOT have forgiven her if I was Mistystar Yea, but if u remember correctly, who apologized to each other?
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