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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:51:39 GMT -5
Jerks? Or when Firestar was in charge? When Bluestar was in charge (before she became crazy over Tigerstar) Oh lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:04:23 GMT -5
Bluestar was probably my favorite leader in ThunderClan before she became crazy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:20:48 GMT -5
Bluestar was probably my favorite leader in ThunderClan before she became crazy I didn't really care for her much tbh, I mean, she's better than A LOT of leaders though
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:26:35 GMT -5
Bluestar was probably my favorite leader in ThunderClan before she became crazy I didn't really care for her much tbh, I mean, she's better than A LOT of leaders though I just found her story really sad. Her mate was killed by her own Clan, and then she watched her kits grow up in another Clan. And she survived all of it, she had to be pretty tough
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:29:21 GMT -5
I didn't really care for her much tbh, I mean, she's better than A LOT of leaders though I just found her story really sad. Her mate was killed by her own Clan, and then she watched her kits grow up in another Clan. And she survived all of it, she had to be pretty tough Her story is sad..it seems like all the Into the Wild leaders had super sad stories. Her personality in her SE annoyed me a little bit though
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:34:22 GMT -5
I just found her story really sad. Her mate was killed by her own Clan, and then she watched her kits grow up in another Clan. And she survived all of it, she had to be pretty tough Her story is sad..it seems like all the Into the Wild leaders had super sad stories. Her personality in her SE annoyed me a little bit though Yea, she was annoying in that. When Rusty showed up she was a bit..... I dunno too
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:36:36 GMT -5
Her story is sad..it seems like all the Into the Wild leaders had super sad stories. Her personality in her SE annoyed me a little bit though Yea, she was annoying in that. When Rusty showed up she was a bit..... I dunno too I thought she was fine before the Tigerclaw reveal, but nothing really stood out about her to me
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:44:24 GMT -5
Yea, she was annoying in that. When Rusty showed up she was a bit..... I dunno too I thought she was fine before the Tigerclaw reveal, but nothing really stood out about her to me She was just a bit cocky when Rusty came.... But she got better..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:45:28 GMT -5
I thought she was fine before the Tigerclaw reveal, but nothing really stood out about her to me She was just a bit cocky when Rusty came.... But she got better.. Really?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:46:13 GMT -5
She was just a bit cocky when Rusty came.... But she got better.. Really? Yea, she just seemed almost a bit moody or something. I dunno.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:47:10 GMT -5
Yea, she just seemed almost a bit moody or something. I dunno..... She's always been moody it seems lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 15:54:55 GMT -5
Yea, she just seemed almost a bit moody or something. I dunno..... She's always been moody it seems lol She just seemed more moody before Firestar. Maybe he made her better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 16:04:45 GMT -5
She's always been moody it seems lol She just seemed more moody before Firestar. Maybe he made her better. I can see that Firestar warms the hearts of everyone
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 16:07:37 GMT -5
She just seemed more moody before Firestar. Maybe he made her better. I can see that Firestar warms the hearts of everyone Yea, especially Sandstorm 😂 she went from mean to nice(ish)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 16:08:28 GMT -5
I can see that Firestar warms the hearts of everyone Yea, especially Sandstorm 😂 True lol Too bad it didn't work with everyone lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 16:09:45 GMT -5
Yea, especially Sandstorm 😂 True lol Too bad it didn't work with everyone lol I just remember when Sandstorm was a sweet(ish) mother to Leafpaw and Squirrelpaw
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 16:11:19 GMT -5
True lol Too bad it didn't work with everyone lol I just remember when Sandstorm was a sweet(ish) mother to Leafpaw and Squirrelpaw I really liked her in Bramblestar's Storm
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 16:15:14 GMT -5
I just remember when Sandstorm was a sweet(ish) mother to Leafpaw and Squirrelpaw I really liked her in Bramblestar's Storm Yea, she was pretty awesome in that
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 14, 2019 20:41:22 GMT -5
Hard call.
ThunderClan has too many main characters tm and their only real skills are fighting in the undergrowth and being in everyone else's business.
Imo, SkyClan is just a better and more interesting version of ThunderClan.
ShadowClan have literally been nothing but crap since Cedarstar, and are still crap now. If TC is the stereotypical heroes then these guys are the stereotypical baddies.
WindClan has been downright unpleasant since Tallstar's death, and have left and an utterly bad taste in everyone, but honestly they're doing their best to change at least.
RiverClan is just horrendously boring under Mistystar, and especially because of the territory change. It doesn't help that both the leader and deputy are as old as sin, and it's a disappointment considering they have the best concept Clan wise.
If I had to pick one at this point, probably ShadowClan or ThunderClan. Neither are that appealing at this point to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 20:57:36 GMT -5
Hard call. ThunderClan has too many main characters tm and their only real skills are fighting in the undergrowth and being in everyone else's business. Imo, SkyClan is just a better and more interesting version of ThunderClan. ShadowClan have literally been nothing but crap since Cedarstar, and are still crap now. If TC is the stereotypical heroes then these guys are the stereotypical baddies. WindClan has been downright unpleasant since Tallstar's death, and have left and an utterly bad taste in everyone, but honestly they're doing their best to change at least. RiverClan is just horrendously boring under Mistystar, and especially because of the territory change. It doesn't help that both the leader and deputy are as old as sin, and it's a disappointment considering they have the best concept Clan wise. If I had to pick one at this point, probably ShadowClan or ThunderClan. Neither are that appealing at this point to me. SkyClan seems like a start-over for ThunderClan
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 15, 2019 14:58:27 GMT -5
Hard call. ThunderClan has too many main characters tm and their only real skills are fighting in the undergrowth and being in everyone else's business. Imo, SkyClan is just a better and more interesting version of ThunderClan. ShadowClan have literally been nothing but crap since Cedarstar, and are still crap now. If TC is the stereotypical heroes then these guys are the stereotypical baddies. WindClan has been downright unpleasant since Tallstar's death, and have left and an utterly bad taste in everyone, but honestly they're doing their best to change at least. RiverClan is just horrendously boring under Mistystar, and especially because of the territory change. It doesn't help that both the leader and deputy are as old as sin, and it's a disappointment considering they have the best concept Clan wise. If I had to pick one at this point, probably ShadowClan or ThunderClan. Neither are that appealing at this point to me. SkyClan seems like a start-over for ThunderClan I honestly prefer them to ThunderClan. Over the generations each clan has had horribly annoying attributes, probably depending on which leader they have. WindClan were overly aggressive, ShadowClan was that 10x worse, and RiverClan is just outright boring. ThunderClan though always seems to think they have some sort of righteous leeway on the other clans, and it still annoys me that the chosen three all cam from the same clan. It's to the point where even other clans mock how full of themselves they are, and how they constantly barge into other people's business. Yes, I love quite a few of the characters from ThunderClan, but it's kinda suffocating my interest when it's nothing but them constantly. And the three options are jerk #1, jerk #2, and boring. SkyClan feels like a breath of fresh air compared to the generations of constantly mashing POV's together, and clans around the lake. I was on the fence about them going back to the lake at all, because yes they deserved to be there among the other clans, but no because the other clans are kinda trashy. Leafstar and her clans have shown to have better morals than more than half of the cats that interacted with them since they arrived. And the generational pain of all the suffering they've been through was very obvious. I find them much more interesting to read about, their struggle and coping and how they function while adapting to new life around the lake. Also their abilities, like climbing trees for hunting and fighting, sounds cooler than just...fighting in undergrowth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 15:03:27 GMT -5
SkyClan seems like a start-over for ThunderClan I honestly prefer them to ThunderClan. Over the generations each clan has had horribly annoying attributes, probably depending on which leader they have. WindClan were overly aggressive, ShadowClan was that 10x worse, and RiverClan is just outright boring. ThunderClan though always seems to think they have some sort of righteous leeway on the other clans, and it still annoys me that the chosen three all cam from the same clan. It's to the point where even other clans mock how full of themselves they are, and how they constantly barge into other people's business. Yes, I love quite a few of the characters from ThunderClan, but it's kinda suffocating my interest when it's nothing but them constantly. And the three options are jerk #1, jerk #2, and boring. SkyClan feels like a breath of fresh air compared to the generations of constantly mashing POV's together, and clans around the lake. I was on the fence about them going back to the lake at all, because yes they deserved to be there among the other clans, but no because the other clans are kinda trashy. Leafstar and her clans have shown to have better morals than more than half of the cats that interacted with them since they arrived. And the generational pain of all the suffering they've been through was very obvious. I find them much more interesting to read about, their struggle and coping and how they function while adapting to new life around the lake. Also their abilities, like climbing trees for hunting and fighting, sounds cooler than just...fighting in undergrowth. SkyClan was just so much like ThunderClan at first
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 15, 2019 15:13:11 GMT -5
I honestly prefer them to ThunderClan. Over the generations each clan has had horribly annoying attributes, probably depending on which leader they have. WindClan were overly aggressive, ShadowClan was that 10x worse, and RiverClan is just outright boring. ThunderClan though always seems to think they have some sort of righteous leeway on the other clans, and it still annoys me that the chosen three all cam from the same clan. It's to the point where even other clans mock how full of themselves they are, and how they constantly barge into other people's business. Yes, I love quite a few of the characters from ThunderClan, but it's kinda suffocating my interest when it's nothing but them constantly. And the three options are jerk #1, jerk #2, and boring. SkyClan feels like a breath of fresh air compared to the generations of constantly mashing POV's together, and clans around the lake. I was on the fence about them going back to the lake at all, because yes they deserved to be there among the other clans, but no because the other clans are kinda trashy. Leafstar and her clans have shown to have better morals than more than half of the cats that interacted with them since they arrived. And the generational pain of all the suffering they've been through was very obvious. I find them much more interesting to read about, their struggle and coping and how they function while adapting to new life around the lake. Also their abilities, like climbing trees for hunting and fighting, sounds cooler than just...fighting in undergrowth. SkyClan was just so much like ThunderClan at first At first, yes, that makes sense, since it's a ThunderClan leader who brought their clan back from extinction and taught them all her knew before leaving. Then they had to deal with things on their own, and the hard way. And they began to slowly have more personality, and be more different from ThunderClan and the other clans on their own. This is actually why initially I did not like Leafstar, she reminded me to much of Firestar, to the point I said she was just a female version of him. However, after Hawkwing's Journey, she's changed so much because she's been through so much. She's watched her clan fall apart, and ripped into pieces and even lost almost her own entire family. So much changed in the blink of an eye, and the trust she put into others was turned on her and used against her good nature. After all of this, you can she's changed a lot, she cares about her clan to put her life before there's. She's much more cautious, and has a no bs policy now, she's become more strict. And shows disapproval for how horribly placed the morals of the other clans and their leaders are. This is also why she doesn't mind Mistystar, her age, and Darktail's attack on her changed her too, and she's quite blunt about wanting SkyClan to leave. But that's why Leafstar liked her, because she didn't sugarcoat anything and was honest with her. Leafstar hates liars, and traitors, and she's not so quick to forgive scheming cats, especially if it could put her clan in danger. I like that. She has a backbone now, but I can't say the same with other leaders. Firestar was great in some moments, but only when thing were right in his face, like Onestar's camp invasion despite there being issues leading up to that. On the other hand Bramble has no backbone at all, and tries too hard to be like Firestar, he trips over himself a lot and relies too much on his deputy, who isn't a good choice imo, she doesn't help the situations much when she is the situation. Over the years I've just felt like I've lost interest in TC, and I think SkyClan was a better alternative tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 15:18:30 GMT -5
SkyClan was just so much like ThunderClan at first At first, yes, that makes sense, since it's a ThunderClan leader who brought their clan back from extinction and taught them all her knew before leaving. Then they had to deal with things on their own, and the hard way. And they began to slowly have more personality, and be more different from ThunderClan and the other clans on their own. This is actually why initially I did not like Leafstar, she reminded me to much of Firestar, to the point I said she was just a female version of him. However, after Hawkwing's Journey, she's changed so much because she's been through so much. She's watched her clan fall apart, and ripped into pieces and even lost almost her own entire family. So much changed in the blink of an eye, and the trust she put into others was turned on her and used against her good nature. After all of this, you can she's changed a lot, she cares about her clan to put her life before there's. She's much more cautious, and has a no bs policy now, she's become more strict. And shows disapproval for how horribly placed the morals of the other clans and their leaders are. This is also why she doesn't mind Mistystar, her age, and Darktail's attack on her changed her too, and she's quite blunt about wanting SkyClan to leave. But that's why Leafstar liked her, because she didn't sugarcoat anything and was honest with her. Leafstar hates liars, and traitors, and she's not so quick to forgive scheming cats, especially if it could put her clan in danger. I like that. She has a backbone now, but I can't say the same with other leaders. Firestar was great in some moments, but only when thing were right in his face, like Onestar's camp invasion despite there being issues leading up to that. On the other hand Bramble has no backbone at all, and tries too hard to be like Firestar, he trips over himself a lot and relies too much on his deputy, who isn't a good choice imo, she doesn't help the situations much when she is the situation. Over the years I've just felt like I've lost interest in TC, and I think SkyClan was a better alternative tbh. Leafstar was great at first
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Post by wildshadow2 on Dec 15, 2019 18:11:36 GMT -5
if i were basing it off of my personal opinion, windclan bc they're annoying however, i think thunderclan is the most superfluous (seriously what's their special thing? its not fighting bc shadowclan has that covered, and skyclan are the tree cats. thunderclan's only speciality is hunting in bushes and narcissism.) Hahaha!!
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 15, 2019 19:47:57 GMT -5
Thunderclan gets a pass from me currently for all that Firestar did but it's true that Bramblestar has run it into the ground with his pathetic leadership. Even then though, there's literally nothing worse than Riverclan having been completely worthless to the plot ever since The New Prophecy. Riverclan could have stayed in the old forest and nothing would change in the plot whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 20:06:23 GMT -5
Thunderclan gets a pass from me currently for all that Firestar did but it's true that Bramblestar has run it into the ground with his pathetic leadership. Even then though, there's literally nothing worse than Riverclan having been completely worthless to the plot ever since The New Prophecy. Riverclan could have stayed in the old forest and nothing would change in the plot whatsoever. That's sad, but it's really true
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Dec 15, 2019 23:41:45 GMT -5
I would get rid of SkyClan, honestly. I used to like that clan before, but they had a terrible founder, and Leafstar got worse. She's been through a lot, but I just don't like her that much anymore.
I'm also sick of SkyClan feeling like they're victims just because they had to keep moving their home. They're not the only clan that has suffered. >.<
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 16, 2019 3:26:30 GMT -5
Thunderclan gets a pass from me currently for all that Firestar did but it's true that Bramblestar has run it into the ground with his pathetic leadership. Even then though, there's literally nothing worse than Riverclan having been completely worthless to the plot ever since The New Prophecy. Riverclan could have stayed in the old forest and nothing would change in the plot whatsoever. It's a shame too because they have the best concept, and it could be utilized so well at a lake for goodness sake. But because they're on he other side of the lake from ThunderClan, they're not relevant enough to even be in plots anymore which is really disappointing. And with the direction things are going, it won't get any better, Graystripe has an SE coming, and the only real drama right now is between Thunder, Sky and Shadow. Wind has some relevance because of Harestar's new leadership, and Crowfeather the deputy being a code breaker. But that's about it. RiverClan needs to be rebuilt from the ground up again.
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